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@More Butter, couldn’t agree more. I’m not against people getting that vaccine. If you want to get it, get it. If you don’t, then that’s okay too. Me, you, nor I should enforce or shame others to get the vax.
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@Sterling M Archer, now tell that to the authoritarians that have power right now. Check out new york city. 2-3 shots, up to date medical information, that needs to be presented to every business and restaurants you enter. A procedure that affects everyone from ages 5 and up.
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@That one lurker, Do you live in NY?
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@MrTuxPenguin, does it matter where you live for slavery to be evil? Or tossing gays off buildings to be evil. I see a part of this great country circumvents civil rights to target and remove black people's bodily autonomy. Turning them into second class citizens, by Governor decree. Skipping every piece of legislation or judicial guidelines. Effectively ruling as a dictator. Add on that, that he's a commie, and people can understand where the evil comes from.
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@That one lurker, So what you’re trying to tell me is the party that tries to put POC through college, The pro choice party, The party of people can transition if they want, is trying to have bodily autonomy over others?
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@MrTuxPenguin, if you're talking about the democrats, then lets look at policy. California, it's found that kids are being vaxed with out parents consent. I mean that as wrong, since it's the school forcing it on the kids, and not a doctor familiar with the child's medical history. Moral gray, but I think it's wrong. How ever, on your transition argument. California has rules in place, it's illegal for doctors or parents to stop or convince a child to stop transitioning. But it is legal for teachers to lie to children about the risks of transitioning. By children I'm talking 10 and under. What is your thought on these. Are either, to you, considered evil?
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@That one lurker, If I ask you for a source are you going to give me some far right News outlet? https://www.vaxteen.org/california Because here it says they don’t that. Be careful of the media lying to you to stir up hatred for the “others”. That’s hot they control you.
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@MrTuxPenguin, here is the vaxed kid story. https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/mom-says-son-vaccinated-in-exchange-for-pizza-at-lausd-without-her-consent/2773619/ The last quote needs specific preface. Turned out the law covered foster children aged 12+. Everything else is the same, but the added fact that the "sexual affirmation treatment" is funded by state medical insurance. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/briannaheldt/2018/09/27/new-california-law-allows-children-to-get-transgender-treatments-without-parental-consent-n2522928 The town hall is decent, and I wouldn't call NBC to be "far right." The town hall piece links to the bill, then goes into arguments rockboard by medical professionals on why the bill is bad, from a right wing perspective.
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@MrTuxPenguin, I'm more or less bring this up to you, not to catch you when I got shot or to catch you in a moral conundrum. I'm asking you because most people don't go this deep into conversations. Never really asking the real questions of morality. Sure they may have moral diction or moral superiority, but many don't understand how to quantify their relationship with morality. To me at the very least the first step to become a good person is to understand what you won't do. Your hard line limits. Next step is to remove biases and bigotry from your life. It is then in that moment that a person can understand what is evil and if they're a person doing good. I'm personally not a proponent of Chaos. I believe a fair justice system is a just system. But it needs good people to run it. The media lies, the politician lies, activist lie, movies, music, teachers, anarchists, socialist, communists, neo-nazis and black supremacists. Each and every one of them lie to get dominance.
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@MrTuxPenguin, the reason why I say this. The link you sent me is not a refutation of the story, but a condemnation of California. Because the child and the case what's 14 and bribed with pizza, to get the vaccination behind the mother's back. We cannot live in a society where you can manufacture consent of minors through bribery. That is what I call evil. If nothing more then the concept of child labor laws and child prostitution. Which California is taking steps to make it easier to traffic children. https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-human-trafficking-legislation-20160802-snap-story.html It took me a second to find this. But out of the three or so studies I read, this one was the least hyperbolic and showed what I'm talking about. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB1322 The particular critique the personalities against the bill is the psychological bond between trafficker and victim.
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@MrTuxPenguin, An example: 32yo guy grooms 14. Starts pimping her. Because no investigation is had, she's picked and treated like a victim with no record of solicitation or prostitution charges. Once released she goes right back to the guy to start it all over again.
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@That one lurker, So I’m glad we’re asking the boy questions because I agree. Prime get stuck in the details too much. And I’m glad you sent me an actual article. Thank you. Looks like the news can be trusted somewhat right? Your absolutely correct the school doesn’t have jurisdiction over Covid-19 shots and they don’t (as shown by my link). That means the dr. Messed up. Speaking of consent, I agree with you for the most part. That’s a perfect case of too much freedom. Im sure neither of us thinks that the girl going back to the guy is a good thing, but what other option do you have? If you put her into forced therapy (no matter how good it is for her) isn’t it a violation of her rights? And isn’t the guy who groomed her going to cry that it’s a violation of her freedom?
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@MrTuxPenguin, I have problems with particulars of the article, since it's written in the worst possible way. It categorizes itself in the "news," then proceeds to become a worse version of a transcript, it buries the lead and is one anecdote away from being an op-ed. The problem is, no one was righting about it. The person that broke it wrote an op-ed. Then someone wrote an op-ed to criticize the op-ed for being reactionary to "the cause." The peace I sent at the very least had an activist critique of the bill in an honest fashion. If I was to be satisfied by the article. I would have liked a full unedited transcript and a like to the bill. The Right wing op-ed, at the very least, added a link the the bill. Also, I'm not sure if a doctor administered the vaccine in the school. Especially not kids personal doctor who has an intimate knowledge over the child's medical history. Stake on that a mysterious heart condition problem that's been popping up in the UK that has claimed 300,000
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@MrTuxPenguin, there was one three maybe four articles talking about this. Two or so right wing sources in America and Yahoo. But they seem to all be mirroring this article nearly word by word. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/post-pandemic-stress-disorder-heart-conditions-covid-london-physicians-b969436.html They make up a syndrome called post-pandemic stress disorder(ppsd) that effects fully vaccinated people between 30-45. We already know from before that the Johnson & Johnson shot caused blood clots. And that the vaccine had problems with people with bad heart conditions. Being one of the few medical exemptions. So from this is it possible to suggest that these 300,000 died from a poor heart condition that was overlooked for the sake of being vaccinated? If that's the case, then we should agree that government officials or any officials, that is forcing through coercion this vaccine, are being evil.
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@MrTuxPenguin, lastly here's an article by a left wing UK news source. That shows a link between the heart conditions and the vaccine. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9765259/British-health-chiefs-sneak-warnings-Pfizer-Modernas-Covid-vaccines.html
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@That one lurker, Do you remember when people were saying vaccines cause autism (before the whole Covid thing). When the CDC refused it people claimed that they were covering up the truth. This is my point, what do you want? Republicans have been claiming there’s something wrong with the vaccine since before it came out. If the CDC doesn’t put it in their warnings they’re corrupt and untrustworthy. If they do, well the vaccine is unsafe even though in that same article you sent me it says “ is still 'extremely rare' and 'typically mild'”. The perfect example is the JnJ shot you brought up. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scientificamerican.com/article/blood-clots-and-the-johnson-johnson-vaccine-what-we-know-so-far/%3famp=true As of April 23 2021 (when the article was written) “six women developed blot clots, and one of them died. About 6.8 million people had received that vaccine at that time.”
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@MrTuxPenguin, 6/6.8m=.000088% chance of getting a blood clot. Not even dying from it. But since republicans wanted there to be something wrong with the vaccine they jumped at the ideal even though you (and in this case I do mean you specifically) have a better chance of dying from Covid. You’re also more like to be… Struck by lightning 1/300,000 .00033% Dying in a car crash 1/107 .93% Dying in a plane crash 1/9,821 .01% My point is this, if you look for something you will find it. Weather it’s there or not. And in this case if the CDC reports it it’s bad. If they don’t report it it’s bad. There’s no winning with you guys Haha.
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@MrTuxPenguin, so that we're both on the same level. Vaccines don't cause autism, I believe it's the use of low grade plastics and dietary complications due to artificial sugars. Republic's ( from what I can research) have three problems with the vaccine. 1.It's being forced onto people. 2.there are questions about mrna vaccines, since they're new and never been so widely tested before. 3.is about responsibility. Rank-and-file normies will talk about 1, pendants 1&2, but barely nobody is talking about 3 except politicians. But that may all be a problem based around me research it. Since people responding to this are more active than the general population. As for what I want, I want to stop forcing a goverment funded vaccine on children. Who, by all the science, are practically immune from the virus. Causing those little risks, those random possibilities of a jnj situation. Jnj went from a 1 shot, to 2, now 3rd. Pfizer and moderna is on 4. Each time, it's a roll of the dice.
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@That one lurker, Oh I was just using that as an example as mistrust in the CDC. But let me put your worries to ease. As someone who is a typical leftist. 1. It’s not being forced. It’s just highly HIGHLY recommended. 2. We’ve been studying mRNA vaccines for a while now. 12yrs I believe. It’s not new. We just needed a reason to start rolling them out. 3. It’s a booster shot. You can read up on how they work here. https://www.osfhealthcare.org/blog/covid-19-booster-shots/ And kids are not immune to it. https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/ Kids have died from it. Thousands. You wouldn’t be against a polio shot just because it had the smallest amount of mercury in it right? Self fulfilling prophecy! That’s the word I’m looking for. From my previous comment.
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@MrTuxPenguin, we're not having an ingredients arguments. I hate those conversations, which is ultimately odd because I only have those conversations with leftists, as used to belittle in this way. After posting I had just got your second comment. And I wanted to dig into it because some of the numbers seemed inflated. I looked for 20 minutes and never got a straight answer on comprable numbers at the time of the six person report, and only found that 28 more people had those problems in may. Which all of that is a misnomer since the origination of the conversation was over 300,000 people having serious heart conditions. But first the numbers. 1.is the example of New York force to you? Or Australia? If not then what are your principal oppositions to the jim crow laws. 2. Mrna may have been studied for 30 years(starting in 1992) but it's been rejected by the FDA with each attempt. 3. I should have been more specific. Drug companies are removed from any reliability...
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@MrTuxPenguin, people are unable to sue them for any side effects. Since this vaccine is being pushed down through emergency rules. Also with FDA backing they don't need to abide by Freedom of Information act requests over Pfizer's vaccine data till 2076. https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/fda-asks-federal-judge-to-grant-it Just in fairness, I'd understand if you wouldn't trust the source. So I'm posting aaron siri's credentials. law degree at the University of California, Berkeley School of Law where he received four Prosser Prizes and ten High Honors. He was also the Editor-in-Chief and founder of the Berkeley Business Law Journal, which he developed into a nationally recognized publication, and was ranked as the leading commercial law journal in the country. Mr. Siri has also been involved in various pro-bono matters, including representation of asylum applicants, housing discrimination victims, and non-profit organizations in tenant-landlord disputes, as well as being chosen as a
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@That one lurker, Frank C. Newman delegate to present a paper he authored before the United Nations Human Rights Sub-Commission. I do this to lend him credibility. Because people are trying to divide others so they don't realize they're on the same team. Id rather be talking about policy with you instead if America a fascist dictatorship or not. Bro, step away from the edge.
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@MrTuxPenguin, I think I should specify as well in my question of your opinion of Jim Crow. I mean the blossom to the result. Looking back at the history, there was states putting laws in place to make people second class citizens, through semler pressure tactics. Which sprung the creation of several black only towns. Which did even better then neighboring towns. That's when you had the first expansion of the klan. Going out, killing black and white Republican leaders, trying to push out the governors in office. It all started with forced segregation.
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@That one lurker, Jim Crow laws are not comparable to getting the vaccine. You have the choice in one. You know you used to not be able to enroll your kids in school if they didn’t have all their shots. This is the same thing. No body wants to hang around unvaccinated people. If you want to be a part of society you have to agree to its laws. 2. Sounds like the FDA had/has high goals for vaccines to be passed. 3. The FDA is releasing the papers. 500 at a time because they’re “backed up”. But the first batch is out now. You can read them. You could never sue the government and never really sue pharmaceutical companies. (You’re sounding like a leftist now 😬). After every vaccine or drug there’s a grace period (few years) where no ones held responsible. With Covid, Pfizer and Modena could argue for a better contact to get more money and less blame. (Wouldn’t happen if gov was more involved in healthcare but…)
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@That one lurker, It boils down this really, do you trust the FDA/CDC? I know you don’t because everyone around you is saying don’t trust government. What you don’t hear is that if a nonprofit like the government isn’t at least involved, it goes to private companies and that’s much worse. You even have politicians (on both sides but mostly on the right) spreading so much distrust in the government so that the companies that back them can take over and exploit us even more.
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@That one lurker, I highly suggest you check out https://www.opensecrets.org Here you can see who is getting money from who. As public figures they HAVE to make public where they’re getting their money from (contribution money). This site breaks it pretty well.
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@MrTuxPenguin, I'll hit the rest of it here tomorrow when I have a chance. You keep making this a right or left wing issue, or a party issue. Exsept for playing to your biases, I've tryed to not discuss things in a political paradigm. But rather talking along the libertarian authoritarian scale. The reason why you think I sound left wing on something is because I'm discussing the portion of libertarianism that comes close to Clinton era Democrats possession. The goverment is permeated what special interests from big pharma. Including several high-ranking officials that was previously on the boards of these companies. So, excuse me when I believe, that a flashlight can't light up a house. There will always be corruption, thinking there is a simple way to get rid of it is how you get dictatorships.
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@That one lurker, So I’ve been trying to read up on Aaron Siri. And I get the feeling that he’s a leftist. Libertarian leftist. You’re right that it’s not about right vs left, it’s about poor vs rich. Authoritarian vs libertarian. And I agree with what he has to say. Companies should have some sort of liability for their products. But who’s going to make them? We need someone/people in a place of power to argue on our behalf. That means electing someone/people into a role of power which is what republicans are afraid of. Instead they call that stuff communism and fear monger of what someone in power could do disregarding the fact that we elected them. I agree with Siri’s overall theme of having companies take liability. Don’t get me wrong that’s a leftist standpoint. But he’s making a problem where there isn’t one. All the data shows that vaccines are safe. All the data shows that vaccines work. You can look at the CDC for numbers or at states or other countries.
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@That one lurker, US has over 800,000 deaths from Covid. Meanwhile Australia has 2,000. Percentage wise, us: 2,418/mil Aus: 29/mil Now Australia is taking this serious but the fact is why aren’t we? Is a government supposed to protect its citizens or grant them freedom? Should they grant the freedom to kill themselves? P.S. on the bit about corruption, wasn’t trump’s WHOLE thing about draining the swap getting rid of corruption? I know you voted for him twice (we’ve talked about it) so which one is it? Do you try to fight or do you roll over and give up?
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@That one lurker, On the note of making companies more responsible for their actions… https://www.citizen.org/news/report-corporations-that-paid-nothing-in-taxes-spent-450-million-to-influence-public-policy/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxnotes/2021/12/06/the-process-of-persuasion-how-politicians-sell-tax-policies/?sh=4a6bc85f2001 And look up the fact that leftists (again not politicians) want Amazon to take responsibility for the people killed in the tornado recently.
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@MrTuxPenguin, I think we're coming to a good understanding. There is something that needs to be cleared up though. Do you believe what Australia is doing is appropriate? How much do you know about what Australia is doing? What is the purpose of government and does government grant rights/freedoms? I find that these are the most pressing things that are dividing you and me. Understanding, information, and propaganda. As far as corruption goes, I'm fighting it as best I can. Trying to get default Democrats and default Republicans to vote for the party of Lincoln, not the party of Woodrow Wilson.
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@That one lurker, You’re absolutely right. Misinformation and propaganda is exactly what’s dividing us. It’s weird that you’d compare Lincoln and Wilson because they both advocated for a stronger federal government. A gov is supposed to give security. The people are supposed to take freedom. The situation in Australia is a little extreme but considering how people in America are (not) handling the virus (anti vax, anti mask, conspiracies) I’d say we need to be more like Australia. I’d wish the gov would crack down more because it’s ridiculous the amount sway a few politicians have over the Republican Party. Australia, NZ, Japan are pretty much back to normal because everyone took the vaccine, wore masks, and listened to the experts and not politicians or lawyers, or quack doctors.
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@MrTuxPenguin, Australia is using their military to collect the native indigenous population, sending them to quarantine camps. We're even if you're not positive with covid on arrival you're still not able to leave your stoop. Let me ask you, if there was any situation where Trump sent out the u.s. military to collect and concentrate Native Americans, black people, hispanics, and any person at "super spreader events" that don't include his own rallies. What would you call that? A reasonable response to the pandemic, or fascism. Countries across the world are wondering if it's even appropriate to call Australia a democracy right now. And as to the conflict we agree on. I can't send you many links. Sense if you do not view what's happening in Australia to be a repeat of what happened in Germany. Then there is no way to convince you through right-wing media outlets. Since state-sponsored news in Australia is talking about how good it is to lock people up for being suspected to have been
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@That one lurker, in contact with someone suspected to have covid.
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@That one lurker, https://youtu.be/j1MCg2TZL9k https://youtu.be/8z73hXCe-zk Just videos from people in camps. I did say the situation in Australia is extreme but the us is easy. I’d rather we follow the procedures of New or Japan. They took the pandemic serious from the beginning. Real lockdowns. Gov pays you for that time. And no bs on vaccines. Why would trump collect minorities at his own rallies? Usually minorities don’t go to conservatives rallies and a lot of people did get sick and die from his rallies. I don’t know what your point there is. If you’re trying to compare Australia’s camps to concentration camps in Germany, 1. You’re pretty far off. 2. May I redirect your attention to America. Here we still have straight camps where parents send their LGBTQ+ child to to “fix” them. Mike pence even funded a few in his state.
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@That one lurker, Are conservatives still trying to say ivermectin works? I haven’t heard much lately about it. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/585780-man-whose-wife-won-legal-ruling-dies-one-week-after-receiving-ivermectin%3famp It didn’t work for this guy.
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When BigBiz, Pharma, MED, Edu, MSM and the establishment political body encourage law enforcement to coerce the public into compliance while threatening life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, encouraging those who’ve complied to aid in that coercion, refusal to submit to taking the filthy ‘shot’ is, by definition, not only a rebellious act but one that makes that rebel a hero. The “vaccine” will “stop being an issue” when those that mean to force it onto the people stop or are stopped.
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@Cave Dweller, you have always needed to be vaccinated for jobs, school, etc pre covid
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@Tony123c, false. Kapo.
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@Tony123c, That's just straight up wrong. Only public schools and government jobs have ever been able to do this, because they're publicly funded.
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@Cave Dweller, well said.
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Use of Oximeter : US20200279585 A1 : US11107588 B2 Perhaps the Concernf*gs and Branch Covidians will come around; perhaps not. Kapo never did. Admit I was wrong. Get booster. ㅤ Sweat!
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@MrTuxPenguin, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Both the videos you just linked to me is about the hotel quarantine. Both videos 6 months back or further. Look into it again, they're moved to camps, not hotels, camps. I sent this to you once before, and you never replied back https://www.vic.gov.au/victorian-quarantine-hub This should give you a head start. I think you misread my statements over the Trump issue, and came to a wrong conclusion. I was saying if Trump sent the US army around collecting and Native Americans and black people ECT. Including people at "super spreader events," ie. Political action events. But didn't do the same for people that went to his own rallies. I wasn't talking about the amount of people at his rallies, or racial makeup. It took me a few hours, I had to dive into the sources. Watch this interview and tell me what you think. https://unherd.com/thepost/inside-australias-covid-internment-camp/?=frpo
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Because they are legally obligated not to track our phones?
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@pleroma77, hahahaha theyre above the law dude
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@pleroma77, If you have android go on google and use find my phone. You'll quickly learn they know every path you've ever taken, and they don't have to tell you when the government requests that info, wich they do often
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@pleroma77, The Patriot act would like to talk with you.
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@MrTuxPenguin, technically thats ‘supposed’ to only involve people acting as/for foreign agents. But yeah my original post was heavy on the sarcasm. We all know they’re doing anyway and that it’s illegal. They’re still doing it and we ‘the people’ don’t have enough control of our own government to keep it following its own laws.
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@pleroma77, Oh I literally can’t tell sarcasm in politics anymore. My bad. But you’re definitely right. The gov is representing the minority (the 1%/rich people) and not the majority of the people anymore. The people want change! Vote 3rd party.
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@MrTuxPenguin, sadly there is a huge list of reasons (both procedural and psychological) why a 3rd party in the US doesn’t work. Humans seem to like binary choices. I can’t even think of a major country with three real party’s. What ends up happening with 3+ party’s is they split the vote so that you end up with two de facto parties that are coalitions of smaller ones.
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@pleroma77, It doesn't have to be the way it is, you say it is Just because for the past 20 years every day it is -DMX.
Can the vaccine stop being an issue? It’s become a more controversial subject than politics and religion combined. Whichever side your on, just stfu about it. You’re not a rebel because you don’t get it, and you’re not a hero because you tell people to get it. Whatever... imma go get something to eat I’m starving