There needs to be more to it than this, or is there some nutjobs in California that are suspending kids for nothing?
@ThePandaPool , don’t blame us for this, I swear we’re just as surprised when we hear this stuff and right away it’s a broad label that it’s ALL of us condoning this.
@ThePandaPool , it's California in 2019, so probably.
@ThePandaPool , This happened in South London https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2019/july/brave-10-year-old-girl-and-boy-suspended-after-asking-to-be-excused-from-lgbt-class-lesson
@vonwulf337, that makes since. South London is the progressive Makkah.
@megamanx181x, Ah how the turntables have turned. Lol.
@INUYAHA, kids refused to do a coloring assignment and the teacher went a little crazy. She has a lesbian daughter so I’m guessing that affected the reaction
A normal person should react this way
“Can I be excused from this? I don’t like LGBT people”
“No. You can choose not to do it but you won’t get credit”
Then the child colors it in blue and black colors turning it into a blue lives matter protest making the teacher lose her mind
@vonwulf337, According to reports in UK papers, they were suspended after one said that gay people ‘have let the devil into them and they need to be killed’ and the other said they should 'die or go to prison' where they would be 'shanked up'.
Suspending them still doesn’t seem like the right idea to me, but perhaps have a word with the parents about not promoting murdering the gays.
@Nellybert , You need to make this more visible. The comment section and fp community need to see that these kids were outright hostile and not entirely innocent victims who harmlessly tried to get out of a school project.
@Nellybert , the kids actually denied ever saying such a thing, and the other kids are backing up their story, the "teacher" made stuff up to make the kids look bad. source, I read multiple different articles on it.
@LaDarkProphet, that's actually not true though, the kids weren't hostile at all. they were just asking to be excused from the lesson because it was against their beliefs.
@Swagnamite, I just read a number of articles on it myself after having posted it. And frankly im skeptical. Kids are horrible little shiites and i would not put it past them to say some horrible stuff and get away with it because they are children. Its several teachers words against children. My initial reaction is to believe the teacher cause ive actually worked with children and let me tell you, they will happily mess with the status quo out of boredom. You know this. I know this.
However. I also wouldn't put it past the teacher in question to make stuff up to put her in a better light. So the sad reality is it impossible to know who is telling the truth. Maybe they did say those things. Maybe they didn't. From what i understand the lesson was just to color in some very innocent images of same sex couples to teach kids about why some children might have two dads or two moms Not exactly the henious lgb agenda the meme would leave you to believe.
@Swagnamite, But if you can find out any information that says otherwise i would be happy to check it out. Information is the key to issues like this.
@LaDarkProphet, oh I never was able to find what the lesson was about in detail, but yeah, unfortunately the only people who actually know what happened are the ones who were there. and of course neither would ever admit to being at fault.
@Nellybert , no that seems right bigotry is not something that should be allowed to spread
@eleven, At that age the kids probably don’t really understand what they’re saying - just parroting what they hear at home. Sit the kids down, explain it to them, help them understand why saying that is wrong. Then address the attitude of the parent.
@ThePandaPool , alot of nutjob upper middleclass white liberals like to do sh!t like this to feel virtuous. Theres a decent chance that this was a decision by one such person.
@Nellybert ,didn’t think like that I guess just make sure the kids know that their parents are 100% wrong and not to listen them on this issue and discourage it when and if it ever pops up again and if you’re going that not being the place of the teacher such matters are irrelevant as stupidity of any kind cannot be allowed to spread
@eleven, there's some major cultural bounds that are at play here man. Just to tell them to not listen to their parents, or to say that they are parroting their parents, is dangerous. If these kids where just a little older they could be looking at actual jail time. Not joking and not hyperbole. If this was America I'd be all for it. Try to set them down, have a dialogue and discussion about this stuff outside of class. The main difference here is Britain and their hate speech laws.
@That one lurker, well I applaud your country for stopping such stupidity from spreading here in America we’re too obsessed with freedom to do anything actually worthwhile but I’m pretty sure you didn’t come here for a flame war with the États-Unis so I leave you now
@eleven, stopping such stupidity? You may need to recount your chromosomes if you think you'll always be the Arbiter's of what is "hate speech". You're a useful idiot to your core, do the world a favour, read the books before you burn them. You should look the founding fathers in their face while you're being a disappointment.
@That one lurker, I meant stopping homophobia
@eleven, there is no such thing as a phobia of homosexuals. People just have a different opinion than you. It doesn't mean they're afraid of the gays.
@That one lurker, I didn’t make up the term ok also pretty sure there is a literal homophobia like fetishes there’s a fear for just about everything from spiders to nutcrackers
@eleven, I understand you didn't make up the term. You're just parroting it, my disdain lays with your "parents". We need to set you down and just tell you how wrong they are and how you should have listened to them all the time.
@That one lurker, about what the fact that I hate stupidity like said homophobia which is the term everyone but you apparently uses or racism or xenophobia in general
@eleven, and is calling a duck a drake some marvel of genius? The word is so over used and I'll define, that it only means a heretic to progressivism. What is there to like from a word so meticulously broad?
@That one lurker, it’s the word everyone uses to use any other word leads to no one understanding you but I tire of clashing with you pretty sure the feeling is mutual so let us end this charade good day sir
@eleven, sure, explaining why it's foolish to hinge laws on nebulous terms seems pointless. Just try to smile when your comrades put your back to the wall. Have a good day.
I could say a lot here, but two glaring things I want to point out:
1) Homosexuality is practiced throughout the animal kingdom in a plethora of ways, so it's really ignorant that people call it a "mental disorder" like there aren't tens of thousands of heterosexual serial killers, kidnappers, and pedophiles out there.
2) People seem to not realize that being straight/gay doesn't go hand in hand with being forceful about your beliefs. Doesn't matter if you're preaching why homosexuality is a terrible sin or why everyone should be forced to support LGBT rights. Being an a$$hole makes you an a$$hole, and only a$$holes infringe on someone else's freedoms.
End of story.
@Sobosaurous , usually it’s the woke “allies” that make most of the problems.
@Sobosaurous , cannibalism, murdering young, rape, eating literal poo, and other undeniably immoral things are common in the animal kingdom (among licking your young clean). Just because an animal does it, doesn't mean it's okay to do. We aren't animals. However idc about stopping others from doing it because it affects me none. I just don't like that "well animals do it so it's okay that we do" argument bc it doesn't work like that.
@Sobosaurous , see you’re exactly right like its not that hard to be a decent person. As someone who is part of the lgbt label its always people just trying to be way too tolerant and progressive when in reality they’re doing the opposite. If someone disagrees with who you are its fine its just a persons opinion and on the other hand shoving your identity down peoples throats is not a good thing to do either. The problem comes up when you literally treat the other person like they arent a human being just because of their beliefs!
@bobs and vegene, all I said is that homosexuality is not a mental illness. I hold personal beliefs that I'm not discussing here, so I'm not taking sides one way or another in order to maintain an unbiased discussion. You may believe what you believe and I completely respect your right to do that. That being said, you should be able to respect my right to believe that likening another person's sexuality to murdering their young, rape, and eating literal shjt makes you look like a slimy, irredeemable a$$hole.
@Sobosaurous , except pedophilia, they should never get freedom to Express/explore
@Sobosaurous , I think being a human is a mental disorder and should be cured with euthanasia
@SempiternalCurse, Exactly they’re pretty much just hurting their own cause they can’t stand when ppl r intolerant of their beliefs but yet they’re intolerant of anyone that doesn’t believe what they do ironic
@orion55, y r we talking about kids in China now
@Sobosaurous , he didnt link being homesexual with being an animal, its when people say its ok in animal kingdom so its okay with us mentality thats wrong
@Sobosaurous , He wasn’t comparing sexuality to those horrible acts, he was making a point about how those would fit in your line of reasoning. He used absurd examples, because even you can agree that those behaviors aren’t allowed in human interactions, even though they are part of animal instincts. He didn’t even disagree with your conclusion, just the way you formulated it.
@orion55, Youth in Asia are human too
@Sobosaurous , you didn’t just say that homosexuality isn’t a mental illness. You said “homosexuality is practiced throughout the animal kingdom in a plethora of ways, so it’s really ignorant that people call it a “mental disorder.” You made the claim that because other animals do it, that in some way proves something about humans who do it.
@bobs and vegene, Humans are animals you bleeding moron. And humans regularly do those things as well. All. The. Time. Just because you live in some fantasy land AND PRETEND these things dont happen doesnt mean they dont happen. Every single one of those things you just said humans have done and will continue to do. There are cannibal head hunter tribes that exist to this very day you bleeding uneducated moron. And none of those things have to do with homosexuality.
@Sobosaurous , I know what you are saying, but the problem is that first one is not a good argument. Animals can most definitely have mental disorders so for people who think homosexuality is a mental disorder, what you said won't matter.
@CynicalSirr, If I can jump in here. I believe op meant homosexuality is naturally found across many species and proactively benefits the survival of the species where most (if not all) of the extreme comparison counter arguments are things in which an animal will only do for absolute survival. Homosexuality being found in many animal species is indeed a good argument because it takes away from the pushed upon abnormality of the subject (if homosexuality is bad, why is it so prevalent in so many animal communities?) and we can study the evolutionary benefits in having a homosexuality gene in the genotype of a species.
@airguitarpro, so then the people would say: "mental illness is a natural occurrence."
@CynicalSirr, Except mental illness, to our knowledge, does not aid any species in survival and goes against our evolutionary model.
@Sobosaurous , i mean animals rape other animals and have mental disorders to so im not really sure what your point is.
@airguitarpro, i might just be more ignorant on the subject than I thought. I know homosexuality is common in the animal kingdom, but where has it ever been said/proven that it is a beneficial trait?
@Mkb617, So as cliché as it is, I would like to point you to google as I am not a geneticist nor biologist. I know its been a relatively novel concept in the attempt to explain the darwinian paradox. One example I am most familiar with is how homosexual penguins will actually protect the young or eggs like body guards, especially in species where there is a larger disparity in one gender over the other. There are honestly many examples that have surfaced in studies such as with fruit-flies. I hope this helps. If I get some time I’ll try to dig up some actual studies for you to peruse.
@airguitarpro, yeah I have been busy today and made a quick peek and the couple I saw were very speculative. Saying more like well maybe they are beneficial in this way or that, but maybe they are just neutral. I was just curious if you knew of anything more concrete
I'm trying to understand what LGBT "ideology" is. I've had classes like this in Quebec where they just had LGBT people talk about how they were just regular people who were treated poorly in the past.
@Bad Canadian, Man. Even a bad Canadian is so polite. Hello there. Im one of your near southern neighbors.
@LaDarkProphet, hahaha pleased to meet you
I’m from the UK and I’m ashamed. I support LGBTQ+ but being against it shouldn’t give children suspensions. Yes this is a far extreme but we shouldn’t dismiss it as a freak event like the other side do. This is wrong, we can do better.
@RedeyeTarget, Children that young are usually the mouthpieces of their parents. They should be the one's held accountable for what their kids say.
Whatever happened to balance?
@megamanx181x, or more importantly, FREEDOM!
@megamanx181x, BALANCE IS FOR THE WEAK, ALL MUST CONFORM TO THE WOKE UBERMIND
@The mortiest morty, hey, you called?
Nothing is “practiced” by animals. That is propaganda.
All fun and games until the transvestite teacher’s having sex with the kids who are forced to take puberty blockers and genital mutilating surgeries while parents are tossed in prison for not encouraging their children’s insanity and the kids are put in foster care with pedophiles prematurely released.
@Cave Dweller, that was a hard hit of reality right therrrrrrr
@Cave Dweller, finally someone else who gets it, wait till your adult then do what you want NEVER listen to kids, they are not mentally developed yet to decide these kinda things nor should the parents decide for them.
@OmegaExceed, also im all for equal rights but there shouldn't be double standards, if people have the rights to be openly gay let them don't all the sudden shove it down others throats you just gonna make people hate you.
@Cave Dweller, heh heh...prematurely released.. heh heh....
@OmegaExceed, Homosexuality is at best a personal choice, the consequences of which should stay between themselves, their partners, and whatever god they believe. At worst, it is a medical malady, the result of “trauma and/or genetic predisposition.” Either way, it should neither be a source of “pride” nor should it be forced onto anyone else- especially children whose lack of self responsibility forbids sexual contemplation of any kind.
Homosexualism is abuse.
@Cave Dweller, amen friend
@Cave Dweller, all fun and games until Papa Pence sends everyone to conversion camps to electrocute the gay away while he's playing Daddy Trump's rusty trombone
@Sobosaurous , that’s hatespeech.
You’re just a heterophobe.
@Cave Dweller, I dont believe in hate speech. I hate equally.
@Cave Dweller, then it’s just fun?
@Cave Dweller, I don't get it. The reality mentioned by Sobosaurous is a valid point, it seemed like you would get
@Cave Dweller, is this a really fvcked up joke I don't get? Is the transvestite teacher somehow worse than the straight, non-tranvestite male or female teacher having sex with kids? Or are you saying that all transvestites are pedophiles? I don't see the connection here.
I can say I don't agree with hormone blockers and such at a young age, because children are too young to make that decision.
I really think you have to be trolling, hope you're trolling, when you say homosexualism is abuse. Like just being homosexual is abuse? If you don't like something walk away from it, their pride shouldn't have any effect on you. Gay knowledge shouldn't be pushed on anyone but it should be learned because it's information and it's normal.
@Factory BOY, Mike Pence did not:
- introduce sex (for or against) to underaged children.
- force children into body-altering hormone/chemical treatments that not only disfigure but permanently render sterile any child administered (for or against).
Pence’s actions, whether misguided or medicinal, were in attempt to help people who otherwise suffer higher than average disease, mental illness, and suicide. Whether that motivation was religious* or hippocratic* is irrelevant.
@Bluemama, “normal” is not a justification. Coprophagia is also “normal.”
The line between one deviant sex fetish and another is imaginary. Pedophilia is more prevalent amongst “LGBT” identifying individuals, as is child abuse. “Walking away” is unfortunately what got first the country, and now the world, in the predicament it is in.
It is also becoming increasingly difficult to “walk away” /ignore the situation as it is becoming dangerous to employment, freedom, and even speech,to do so.
Homosexuality is a choice. Pushing homosexuality is abuse. No one outside of practitioners of homosexuality need be concerned with any part of it and the intolerant abuse of subjecting the public to endless homosexual propaganda has not “normalized” the behavior. It has, in fact, polarized the population, with a rise in reactionary intolerance around the corner.
“Trolls” provoke anger for amusement.
There is only one kind who would be moved to anger over what was said here. They are not entertaining.
@Cave Dweller, what drugs brought Mike Pence into this?
@Cave Dweller, it sounds like coprophagia is normal to you because all that sh!t is falling out of your mouth.
Where's your number and facts? I can't find one reliable source to support the arguement that gays are more likely to be pedophiles.
I know being gay isn't a choice, because I'm not and I much rather be.
Teaching and pushing are two different things and I can agree that pushing anyone to do anything they don't want to do is abuse.
When they were quiet and doing their own thing so now they are trying to make their place in society, the only people it isn't normal to is haters like you.
@Cave Dweller, as horrifying as that sounds the way the world is going it might happen
@OmegaExceed, as soon as your 2 year old say I love doggies I wanna be a doggie what now we gotta find a mad scientist to change them into a dog or go to prison
@Factory BOY, Sobosaurous: “Papa Pence....”
Factory Boy: “Sobosaurous ... valid point...”
- ad hominem.
- you don’t care.
- homosexuality is a choice. ALL sex activity are choices. Arguing otherwise attempts to justify compulsory sex aka rape.
- “teaching” by force is pushing. That is abuse.
- “normal” is not a justification and should not be used as one since it isn’t necessary.
- homosexuality has a “place in society.” Propagandists are trying to change it... without much advance.
- “hate” is messy and useless. Try logic and reason instead.
@sgc6610, the worst is yet to come.
The courts will be clogged by a wave of malpractice suits for all the “gender confirming” medical practitioners comes next.
The misery caused is near unspeakable.
@sgc6610, heck no he wants to be a doggy become 18 and be a furry the little bastatd
@Cave Dweller, you can choose to abstain from sex, that doesn't mean you can choose who you're attracted to, you're still gay without having sex.
Let's shut down all the schools, we're abusing the children! No kid likes to learn, if being forced to learn was considered abuse I wouldn't know how to count. I'm not saying kids have to believe in it, or like it, I'm just saying this is part of daily life and it should be talked about.
Ok, won't use normal, we'll use natural and acceptable.
Am I the only one that doesn't see the propaganda? Where is it? What are they going to change? Are we all going to be gay?
Hate is the proper term, because I see no logic or reason in what you're saying, you won't even back up your arguments with facts.
- Attraction and sex are not the same. The predisposition for homosexuality may not be a choice and is very well understood by science, the act is.
- Attempting to conflate teaching children arithmetic with teaching them “proper anal techniques” demonstrates the lack of boundaries held by sex fetishists.
- “Natural” does not imply “acceptable,” nor does it have to be acceptable to anyone. People interested in homosex are not asking permission to enjoy it, they should not ask for acceptance afterward. They don’t need to and none should be expected.
- bias and fear are both equally blinding.
- logic/reason are “hate” to those with an agenda.
@Cave Dweller, God damn it. I may not agree with everything your saying but fvck me sideways do i like the way you are saying it. Calm, collected and reasonable to the end. You state your responses accurately and without emotion but with logic and reason. I wish everyone could have debates and arguments in such a conductive manner. It would make the exchange of ideas so much more streamlined and productive. Instead of devolving into fits of spastic rage and spam as it usually does. So i applaud and salute you sir
@LaDarkProphet, for what it’s worth from an anon on fp, much gratitude.
There's already drag queen story time, but god forbid you think having adult entertainment for an elementary school is a bad thing
Not tryna be that guy but "Radical catholic" doesn't exactly scream unbiased imo, and with no link to an actual report it's kinda hard to believe this is real.
Gay people require straight people to continually survive generation to generation, therefore they must indoctrinate your children. Every gay person I know was sexually abused in some form as a child/young adult
@Joeyc1, Your anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. I know plenty of people that are gay who never really experienced trauma of any kind. As a matter of fact they had what many would consider a great childhood and continue to have happy and successful lifes. Dont let your biases and experiences paint an entire population in a poor light. This is a small, but vocal, minority group. They by no means represent the entire populace.
But it’s perfectly ok for them to reject straight views and ideals
Not accepting is something different than not participate. Just saying
I’m cool with the lgbt guys. The “q+” people are the ones I don’t really get.
It’s not the LGBT people that are at fault here. The whole thing wasn’t even in the US it was in the UK.
@Professor Kukui, and that makes it okay..?
@Swagnamite, No, but it does make it understandable. Here in the U.S there are freedom of speech laws and if any school tried to perpetuate this kind of stupidity they would be set on fire. However, the U.K has no freedom of speech laws. On the contrary speech and the like are regularly censored and regulated. Schools in the U.K oftern have right or left wing political stances and are allowed to teach the children going to those schools whatever they deem fit. And any questions against the authority is liable to get you into trouble.
Also if i remember right the kids said that gay people deserved to die so there is also that.
@LaDarkProphet, oh Jesus didn’t know the last part yikes