Could’ve saved so many
It's supposed to be a Sith power since only Sith can control life force.
But Rey can just Willy Nilly do anything she wants without training or crap
@Tentastic, I mean she can connect to the dark side. Also force healing is an ability used by the Jedi in during the Old republic Era.
@Tentastic, you’re sexist for arguing what a woman can or can’t do!
@Bad Suggestions, how dare you assume Rey's gender
@Tentastic, I assumed nothing! You’re assuming I’m labelling Rey’s gender! How dare you assume I am assuming!
@Bad Suggestions, How dare you use the word "assume" so many times, it's one of my trigger words and I've barely held it together for this entire conversation. Your lack of respect for my triggers is pure discrimination and hate speech against me! You should be silenced and thoughts checked!
@Tentastic, I identify as an assumer you anti-assuming racist! Your use of the word trigger triggers me! You are pure hate speech and should be discriminated against for your use of the word ‘barely’!!!
@Bad Suggestions, how dare you act like you're a victim! All this time you have been targeting me, an under represented minority, and now you're undermining my position! It is this type of disregard for us minorities that keep us under your oppression!
@Tentastic, I am the victim! I’m always the victim! You aren’t underrepresented- you have...white text! Mine is grey! Stop triggering me! REEEEEE!!!
@Bad Suggestions, @ Tentatic BRAVO!! 👏
@Tentastic, she literally had several books telling her techniques and had a fücking Skywalker (Leia) train her
@InsaneAnimeCleavage, you're forgetting about her force abilities in 7 and 8
@Tentastic, considering what she is in episode 9, combined with force sensitive people using different aspects of the force in other ways it's not absurd.
Hell "miracle birth" Anakin had reflexes of a Jedi and could slightly see into the future as a child for pod racing and I'm not hearing anyone complain
@InsaneAnimeCleavage, it's cause it wasn't like these skills were perfected.
Anakin could sense stuff, but he didn't know how to use it. It wasnt like he foresaw the future, but he was keen and learned to trust in the force he was sensitive to.
However he didn't have any force abilities/didn't know how to manipulate the force. He was just force sensitive.
It's like the difference between knowing how to use a rope, and knowing how to make a pulley system. AKA you might know how to use a rope, but if you know how to use it a certain way you can use it much better.
Rey automatically knew how to force pull and do Jedi mind tricks after having never done anything like that before, which took training.
Son of Anakin, Luke himself needed several tries to get his lightsaber from the snow and he had already had some direction from Obi wan. Rey had none and did it immediately. Both were in imminent danger.
@InsaneAnimeCleavage, You see, good screen writing allows you to foresee or see signs of something being true.
In TFA, the story goes like this: Rey is a scavenger. Oh and she's a pilot. Oh and she's a mechanic. Oh and she's an electrician. Oh and she can Jedi mind trick. Oh and she can force pull. Oh and she can use a lightsaber.
I can forgive several of these if they were explained/given backstory to make sense.
Like maybe "you can fly that ship??" "Once"
This signals: Rey has worked on the MF, and briefly did some piloting. This sets up how she knows about the ship, it's hyperdrive compressor, and it's leak. Cause she must have fixed it before. But we're told she's a scavenger and scavenges parts... And suddenly her character shows signs that she isnt at all like that. If she was really a scavenger who can barely get by in life, where did she pick up the skill to be able to pilot??
@InsaneAnimeCleavage, In E1, it's established that Anakin is a parts seller, has been working on repairing pod racing his whole life. His entire life.
So we have two skills: repairer and partial piloting.
Make it clear that he was simply replacing parts for the pod racer, not making a whole new parts.
But when Anakin gets in a Naboo fighter, he has no idea what to do, it's on autopilot and is trying to figure out what everything is/does.
QuiGon explained that Anakin is good at Podracing because he is force sensitive and senses what to do to stay alive. So, we see it's plausible when they do the force sensitive test he could tell what the ships in the panel were.
When Rey gets on MF, she knows exactly what to do first time.
Same with mind trick. Same with Force pull on lightsaber.
@Tentastic, broom boy in episode 8 could manipulate objects, no training.
Hell, baby Yoda can and THATS A BABY!
People are can be naturally gifted at things in real life and pull new things off at first go. With Rey being *that thing* and her obvious connection to the force then it's entirely possible. Hell in the JJ cut of episode 9 Finn can apparently do things on the star destroyer with zero training.
@Tentastic, being a scavenger explains her mechanical prowess and electrical backgrounds, she would have a vague understanding of how star craft work and could fly one( though not to a god ability)
I'm not a pilot but I could probably get an aircraft in the air and fly around, though landing would be difficult.
I think the broom boy is a good example of good unknown force user. He immediately shows he can use the force and the broom. We were given no hints about Rey's potential abilities, and even she says she didn't know what she was doing/didn't show any other signs.
Secondly, Baby Yoda is 50 years old.
Lastly, with Rey being that thing. First off, Anakin was super powerful force user. Luke was 2nd gen.
Rey is 3rd gen of different family. So therefore, since Rey is further down the line, she should be weaker.
Secondly, with Rey being a "diad", it might give her strength but where does her direction come from? Sure, you might be super strong weight lifter, but that doesn't make you a good boxer.
You might be able to take out a beginner, but you shouldn't be an expert at boxing if you've never boxed before just because you're strong.
TBH I wouldnt have minded a Harry Potter approach, "Palpatine split his soul into Rey and Ben connecting them, directing them". NOPE
@InsaneAnimeCleavage, In TFA, she says "Unkar Plutt put the compressor on the hyperdrive. I thought it was a mistake too, it puts too much stress on the hyperdrive."
This rises several questions:
1. What is a compressor
2. How does she know what a compressor is
3. Why does she think it puts too much stress on the hyperdrive
If she didn't say "I thought it was a mistake" she would have been fine, it leaves off question 2 and 3. And why she says she bypassed the compressor, she took it out.
Now I admit I am being very critical of this, it's a Disney movie for kids, so I can lay off on the character.
But you have to admit, if a character has a background that doesn't correlate with their abilities/decisions, it's not a good character. This is why Rose fell flat (she believed in protecting lives, and yet saved Finn putting the ENTIRE RESISTANCE INTO MORTAL PERIL).
Lastly, these movies communicate: "You shouldn't have to work hard to become really good at something."
@Tentastic, the force does not weaken because you are a 3rd gen or whatever.
If you have a strong connection then you have a strong connection.
A strong weightlifter can throw a strong punch, you don't need training to throw a punch. A boxer is trained on how to throw a precise punch, and the natural power behind it will make it more effective.
So rey had the raw power to blunt force her way through situations but she got more training to do it with finesse ( catching a lit saber swirling through the air in EP 9)
@InsaneAnimeCleavage, if you think boxing is just about punching precisely, boy you are wrong. I barely know a little about boxing and I can tell you 100% that it's not just about punching. It's about moving around, shifting your weight, keeping your weight low and steady, dodging, looking for weak points in your opponent.
If you don't know how to do any of that stuff, a weaker expert can take out the strongest man.
As I said before, just cause you're super strong, doesn't mean you can suddenly box.
It's like if you had an amazing voice for singing. The singer might not know how to verbrato, sing on key, read music, etc. Those are all skills you need to pick up. It's not all about the voice .
@Tentastic, I was using the boxing analogy to back up the point of a strong person can force through to a conclusion but with training they are more potent.
My initial wording was poor, I'll agree with that
@Tentastic, not actually a sith power, since its not manipulation of life force exactly, more communing with the force in the person's body to heal them. It's also a very rare power that requires strong connection to the force, and sith can't use it because thier connection to the force is twisted. Instead they use sith alchemy, where they directly force the body itself to heal.
@Marida Cruz, which still doesn’t explain how she was able to do either the Sith side or the Jedi side of it. Wherever it comes from for Rey Sue to use it, she still did so with little to no training as well as training that the older Jedi characters never got themselves.
Saying it’s in the books is all well and good, but it means nothing when you give no sense of time passing or the book things having happened in the films.
You shouldn’t have to read/watch everything to understand a smidge of story, that’s just bad writing and bad storytelling, as well as a god awful excuse for a Mary Sue character.
@Bad Suggestions, I'm not saying that how it's done in Rise of Skywalker makes sense, just explaining how it works and why any old schmuck can't just force heal people.
@Marida Cruz, I’ll make sure to call off the attack wasps, my mistake.
@Tentastic, from a lore point of view, Rey breaks ALL the rules. From a narrative point of view, she’s an empty shell of a character. She never struggles and just wins everything she tries. TROS even had an opportunity to show how her excessive and unearned power could backfire when they did the fakeout with Chewie, but they didn’t have the balls, so instead the lesson was totally lost and she forgot all her grief five minutes later.
@Tentastic, Honestly, I'd wished they hadn't introduced that power into canon. I also wish the new trilogy was decanonized.
@Proactive Citizenry , I still just wish they didn’t remove all the Legends and Old Republic stuff from canon to begin with.
All 6 Star Wars: Anakin brings eternal balance to the Force, thanks to Luke
Disney: That's not financially feasible
Except Kotor had examples of force healing, it was even the catalyst for the redemption of Revan
People complain about jedi healing but its been in the star wars lore (star wars legends books) for a while. Stop complaining as if you know anything about star wars.
@Dealwiththefacts, Why are they booing you? You’re right.
Are we ignoring the fact that baby Yoda used force healing?
@Sir Borksalot , they like baby Yoda, so it's ok
Just like JJ abrahms apparently
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