NOTHING TO SEE HERE EVERYONE JUST KEEP MOVING
@Aperture Employee, OH GOD THE RELIGION WAR TRAIN IS COMING PREPARE YOURSELVES
@Draven, *Sees the flames* SMOKEY! CALL SMOKEY THE BEAR!
@The Milky Man, NO WE NEED JOSH!
@Draven, GOD DANGIT JOSH IS NEVER HERE.
@The Milky Man, JOSH IS THE REASON
@Aperture Employee, keep moving where? Is there cake?
@Draven, NO JOSH! HE NEVER DOES HIS JOB RIGHT!!!
@The Milky Man, MY LEG!
@Aperture Employee, yes there is, there's a joke here, a perfectly OK joke that people shouldn't get so butthurt over, this app is turning so over sensitive and PC
I legitimately belly laughed out loud at this. Not because I do or do not agree with what it says. It's just friggin hilarious.
@CopThatIsAlsoADog, Glad I could enlighten you.
ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!!!!
@Prince super Vegeta , PRAISE HIS NOODLY APPENDAGE! RAMEN!
@Prince super Vegeta , bless you.
Don't have sex, because you will get pregnant. And die.
@Sexy Homunculus, well everyone who has sex always dies
*hides behind rock* anyone has a better hiding spot?
@Just a raccoon, yeah just hop in my conspicuous van that I borrowed from the Candy Man...
@gettinitfosho, uh...no thank you. You know what? I think I prefere standing in the middle of the war.
@Just a raccoon, but free candy...
@gettinitfosho, I let it to you buddy...
@Just a raccoon, how about under the rock?
@PrimadonnaPuffin, thats where patrick lives
@gettinitfosho, you mean free wifi.
Too late, religion war starting, GO GOD
Guys, everyone has a right to their own opinion. Please respect their opinion and they'll do the same.
@CrustyMcballs, well they definitely can have an opinion but that does not mean I have to respect it. For example I recognize a racists opinion but I won't ever respect it
@Brothers shadow, respect as in don't be a prick and say that your opinion is better. That'd just be chaos.
@CrustyMcballs, Some opinions aren't worthy of respect. For example, I could say bleach is an important part of a complete breakfast, vaccines cause autism, and Hitler was the greatest man who ever lived. All of these are opinions, but none of them are worthy of being respected as valid.
22 August 2014 #22August2014
Why do people think that God has to use the same logic we do? Assuming there was a supreme being capable of creating everything in existence, what we feel--how complex we are, is hilariously rudimentary to this being. It's like me building a chair. I can care about the chair, but I created it and I decide what happens to it with no guilt. Furthermore, why in the world would anyone assume that God has to abide by what we consider "moral." For example, let's take the idea of equal opportunity. This is found nowhere in any Holy book, but we find it to be moral. God never said everyone gets the same shot, so according to his morals that isn't necessarily wrong. We create morals like this as a medium of self-preservation.
@Polymath , ummm....is this going to be on the final? Should I be taking notes?
@sdryana, no, but it's just good to know. The study guide will be posted by the weekend.
@Polymath , why are you arguing this on a joke picture? Go back to Reddit or wherever people argue your nonsense
@Polymath , But we don't consider you all loving to that chair. Plus with with the whole moral thing he used the good, a word to describe humam morals.
@The Antagonist, why are unfunny photos such as this posted on an app for funny pictures? This picture isn't a joke; it is a slight.
@Polymath , because god is supposed to be omni-benevolent. Also, if he is all-knowing what is the point of a test? To prove to himself that he was right?
@Polymath , also if my chair had feelings and thoughts i would give it my time to assess its needs and make it comfortable and treat it like the sentient being it is. If i was omnipotent and omnipresent, seems like a cakewalk to assess the needs of billions of chair creatures since im everywhere and can do anything.
@Polymath , I thought it was fvcking halarious
@FightingIntheWarRoom, you're thinking with the same stereotyped logic I was referring to. If there is a supreme being, he doesn't have to feel bad for things like we do. We feel bad for things as a projection of our own needs and self-preservation. God is supposed to be merciful (according to most Holy texts), but mercy does not entail endless benevolence.
@The Antagonist, I can't tell if you were genuinely insulting them or just being an antagonist
Hail hydra !!
I'm agnostic, I dont know. End of story
@IntelligentOtaku, I like this
Hell don't exist, nobody gets tortured for eternity.....true story
@jortiz1222, guess you went and asked god for the info on that huh?
@The Antagonist, they don't need to ask, because there's no evidence for the existence of hell, heaven or god. So live life without the constant fear of hell, it isn't good for your health.
@The Antagonist, nah he already gave us the info, it's called the bible, it's pretty good book you should check it out
@jortiz1222, oh ya forgot the bible was the de facto book on creation. Guess i better get rid of the koran, torah, and the hundreds of other holy books which proclaim to have it right. Gosh thanks for showing me the way, i was so confused on the matter since god hadn't taken the chance to inform those heathens to stop worshipping their god/gods/goddesses.
@FightingIntheWarRoom, *tips hat and nods*
@FightingIntheWarRoom, this is all just an example of 2000 years of history. There obviously only one right answer, but everyone has their own interpretation on what's the truth and what's right, hence the dark ages, and constant religious wars and divisions all through history.
Actually if you sin then you are siding with the Devil, and God cannot save you from him. The only way to get to heaven is to either not sin your entire life, or when you sin you recognize that what you have done is bad and confess your sins to either a priest or through prayer. @Sexy Homunculus, God wants us to have plenty of sex, that is why he made it so pleasant, he only asks for us to chose only one partner since people become so attached to the person that they have sex with, unless they have had sex many times before in which case you will not feel that sense of attachment anymore.
@Pick Me Up A Pil Eh, who's the buzzkill that called the priest???
@Pick Me Up A Pil Eh, catholic?
@Macbeth, yup, and I am not even that religious, I just hate it when people take false shots at us like this.
@Pick Me Up A Pil Eh, I feel you, I'm nondenominational, and I'm not super religious, but I'm still religious, and I hate, how like, as a US citizen I have to100% accept everyone's views, if I criticise anything I'm terrible, but everyone criticizes Christianity
@Pick Me Up A Pil Eh, and every religion for that matter
@Pick Me Up A Pil Eh, THIS GUY ISNT TARTING A WAR AT ALL. Be open to opinion. He/she wasn't attacking anyone's beliefs, just shedding the light on something that honestly I was ignorant to until now.
@Pick Me Up A Pil Eh, none of that matters because there is no evidence for gods existence in the first place. So stop worrying and live without fear.
I'm a Christian and minus the excessive swearing this is actually kind of accurate.
@MayITakeYourHatSir, I'm glad to see someone acknowledge it instead of trying to sugarcoat what is essentially an eternal death punishment for the simple "sin" of disbelief
@jdluther, Well I mean it is a pretty fair system if you think about it, reciprocity, you don't get anything for nothing.
You know how you feel when you see misinformation being spread and jokes being made based off that same misinformation? As a Christian, that's how I feel whenever I see things like this. There's this misconception about Christianity that God is the one hurting you, torturing you, and causing bad things to happen to you. This is not all true and this picture is based off of a misconception.
@Kuchiki Byakuya, but I thought he caused everything, wouldn't that include your suffering?
@Gary the talking pig, nope. People forget the part about free will. God doesn't directly cause everything to happen, but might allow things to happen so that someone can come out stronger and better. But He'll never let someone go through it alone. "If God asks you to do something, He'll give you the grace to do it." And I see 2 people didn't like what I said =P
@Kuchiki Byakuya, god hardened the heart of the pharaoh to give moses a hard time. Djckish if you ask me. Instead of just letting moses lead his people out of egypt, NOPE, shjt has to be hard or god won't prove to himself that he was right since he knew anyways. Omnipotent and omnipresent. If i lead a path of righteousness and god tests me by putting what he knows will tempt me in the path and i fail, even though had he not i would have not strayed, isn't he hurting himself? If i had made it to heaven i would have been freed from my earthly wants and needs and thus would have done just fine in heaven. i would have everything i needed or wanted outside of my humanly body, so there would be nothing to tempt me.
@Kuchiki Byakuya, as long as your god allows hell to exist, then he/she endorses your suffering. If they didn't then why does your hell even exist?"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"-Epicurius
@Gary the talking pig, *tips hat and nods*
@Gary the talking pig, who says God doesn't prevent evil? There is evil in this world; this is obvious and well known. I don't have the answers for why every bad thing happens. I don't know what could have prevented them or why God allowed them to happen. But many things are just like a father and his child. If you had a son or daughter, would you protect them from every single thing? Would you completely shelter them and keep them from ever experiencing anything and learning? You can't ever grow if God is never letting ANY bad thing happen to you. I'm not even so sure about the hell thing. Hell seems to be what baby Christians use as a threat to force others to convert. It's not something I would be inclined to make others believe, especially not to scare them towards Jesus.
@FightingIntheWarRoom, I'm not sure what you're getting at with the whole "righteous" thing. From my understanding, God was leading them to the promised land, free from slavery and bondage. Why would God tempt you only to watch you fail? So you're saying he'd set you up for failure? It's not God that tempts you and condemns you, it's evil that does. Evil is the only thing that will tempt you and then condemn you for giving into temptation in hopes to turn you away from God.
@FightingIntheWarRoom, having read a different comment of yours, I see what you're saying about a "test." A test is not for God to see if he was right, it's for YOU to grow. It's not to see if you'll make the right decision, and that is the deciding factor on whether or not you get into heaven. It's a test for you, and only you, to grow. If you fail, you can keep trying. You only fail if you give up.
@Kuchiki Byakuya, lol crickets from those two huh? Kudos kuchki Byakuya
@Bugdatmug, more like i went to do other things. Tell me, how god is letting someone grow through experience when his or her family is massacred? Did a person's family get a chance to "grow" when they were denied a right to life? What about if someone in the family hadn't been on the right path and never had the chance to reform? Is it fair that he or she could not right his or her wrongs when God allows that person to be killed? That person no longer can no longer take part and if the argument is that "god knew the end result, so ended it" is hypocritical in that he has denied free will, defeated the point of testing, and gone against his own commandment.
@FightingIntheWarRoom, you do realize that doesnt make sense right? So you're saying someone chooses to massacre a family and thats gods fault? Also who is your paragraph about? In the first sentence its about the person who lost their family and then the next you're talking about the family. so god should make it so that everyone lives forever to see if they can prove themselves? And no one should have any consequeneces to their actions that would be fair? Is god the one who killed these people in your scenario if not then I dont see how he denied them free will and what do you mean by defeated the point of his own testing? If the point of testing is to prove to yourself as stated earlier than the test could be anything cause we dont know what or how things affect others
@Kuchiki Byakuya, after god freed them from slavery he ordered them to commit genocide and enslave the children of the different tribes. That's why he doesn't condemn genocide or slavery in the Ten Commandments so the rest of the fairy tale makes sense.
@Bugdatmug, answer this, "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -
@Gary the talking pig, lol ok. This statement is a bit vague cause you would have to define evil dictionary.com defines it as immoral or bad and what is considerd immoral or bad varies from person to person. So for examples sake let us use murder. if I deicide I dont like you and I want to murder you than you are suggesting that god should stop me correct? So then what? Then you would be here complaining god is so powerful but people dont do good cause they value morals its cause he doesnt let us do bad. if that was the case what would be the point of living. Life would be more like a movie just watching us play whatever part god pupeteered us in. Malevolent is with malicious evil intent but if I tell my child do not touch that stove repeatedly and I see him going to do it again and I allow him to do so 1. So that he learns that its hot 2. So that he knows when I give him warning it is for a reason, then is that malevolence?
@Bugdatmug, the idea is that evil was allowed stop someone from living to correct mistakes. The sinner who died had his or her life cut short before repenting. So it was not fair in the sense that the person could not achieve what someone who sinned but had not encountered a situation like getting murdered could. The difference in touching a stove is that it is self harm. No one else is harmed when you touch the stove, though as a parent i would be distraught seeing my child hurt and would make sure they learned their lesson. The teaching of the lesson, however, would not include eternal hellfire.
@Kuchiki Byakuya, Well, I just found this on Instagram and thought it was funny. :P
@Bugdatmug, the difference between me and your god is that if I saw someone being killed or raped then I would do something. If your god is able to stop it but doesn't then he is no better than the person doing it. Also, if we're all gods children, then what makes Jesus so special?
@FightingIntheWarRoom, I think I should let it be known I don't believe in hell in my personal belief system I believe the consequences of not correctong your mistakes is non existance I agree with what this picture is expressing. That being said, now you're getting into judgement and the reason "only god can judge me" is so popular is because we dont know how others peoples thoughts work what maybe motivation for one could be crippiling for another. So if they didnt get time to repent you dont know nor can assume that god would condemn them to "hell". I believe god is distraught as well but what you're suggesting is not letting them learn their lesson its taking away our free will.
@Gary the talking pig, so what tou are suggesting is that god should stop someone if they're doing something bad?
@Bugdatmug, yes, if he loves us so much, he shouldn't let people be killed or raped.
@Gary the talking pig, so then he should take away our free will?
@Bugdatmug, no, when somebody decides to kill or rape, he should intervene and stop them. That's what the police do and is what I would do. It doesn't require taking away free will to stop someone from committing a crime.
@Gary the talking pig, actually it is. Thats why when police arrest people and put them in jail they say they've lost their freedom. Sn: The police and justice system can be pretty corrupt at times. Free will is the ability to choose what you do. If god were to only allow people to do good we would essentially be robots or zombies. If god were to stop them how do you think he should do it? zap them with lightning? Hold them in heaven jail? We as a society are meant to govern ourselves and god is there to help if we want his help. I would say most governments have seperated themselves from god and that is why there is so much murder and rape.
@Bugdatmug, actually, the police only suspend freedom after they commit the crime. They can make choices and have free will, they just can't enact those choices because they are in prison. Also you'll find that countries will a higher amount of theists have a higher crime rate than those with mostly atheist populous. eg Japan, over 90% are not certain that a god exist and it has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. In America over 50% believe in god and it has the highest rate in teenage pregnancies and has 10 times the homicide of Japan. There is a strong correlation between faith and antisocial behaviour.
@Gary the talking pig, I would have to ask where you're getting your information I would think it would be incredibly hard to ask all of japan about their religious beliefs. Have you ever spoke to anyone who was in or has been in prison? I believe theyd disagree with your statement. So people with the belief of being tormented with hellfire for all eternity commit MORE crimes? This is sounding a little hard to belive.
@Bugdatmug, a quick google search is all you need to do, or you could just reject evidence like all the other fundamentalist theists do. There's no point in arguing further if that's the kind of person you are. There's no evidence for god and unless you have some then I'm done.
@Gary the talking pig, I don't believe I made a factual statement about god so the burden of proof does not rest on me. I feel if you're going to use facts you should be able to provide a source, i'm sure I could google it and find something that says the opposite. So google is evidence?? I think you should look into how easy it is to falsify information on the internet. Thats why being able to site sources is good it gives you credibility if the source is credible. Saying I could reject evidence is the equivalent to me saying you just accept anything you read on the internet but you saying something and giving nothing but your word would not be considered evidence in my book. So I am not that "type of person" but I can sense tge frustration in your text so if you would like do be "done" thats cool with me. You have a good one
@Bugdatmug, If you just type in 'atheist countries and crime rate', you'll see that the majority of websites agree with me. The specific website I got those statistics from is 'Nairland.com'.
@Bugdatmug, by the way, you said 'god is there to help if we want his help'. That, to me, is a claim.
@Gary the talking pig, do you mean nairaland.com? If so there is a disclaimer at the bottom stating each poster is responsible for their post meaning anyone can post anything factual or not. Are you saying if a lot of people agree you're right? The majority of people used to agree that slavery was right.
@Gary the talking pig, true that.
@Bugdatmug, the websites back up their claims with surveys. You know, evidence. Something that is required for claims. You wouldn't know about that because your beliefs are based on faith and not what logic dictates or where evidence leads.
I'm going to choose not to get involved in this picture and get out with my sanity while i still ca-----
How does a religion war comment have less downvotes than a pony picture?
Dragoncon is in a week
@Carnival Cruise Ship, Its gonna be awesome
Thanks!!! I think?
I'm going in... Wish me luck
I feel like people who post these things just wants to watch the bloodbath that ensues .-.
It's funny because of the F word.
This fight shall be by the Knights Code, to the death. BEGIN!
FLAME WAR INBOUND
@Brogle man, Tell me about it.