Honestly I don't get the problem with girls in boy scouts. my mom always said girls scouts sucked.
@Killing instincts , the problem is that boys can’t join Girl Scouts.
@Killing instincts , that's the crux of the issue. Instead of doing legitimate scouting, camping, and survival stuff, Girl Scouts do the bare minimum (or none of it at all) and sell cookies. It's an unfair situation for everyone involved
@wulfzen, no problem. Just say you identify yourself as a girl and baaaam! You get in... or sue for millions
@Killing instincts , when I was growing up in Fl as a kid we had cub scouts which were an all inclusive group that did everything the boy scouts did. I kinda hate the whole girls in the boy scout thing because there was numerous groups and orgs already active that did what they wanted. Some parents want single gender schools and after school programs it should be the parents choice.
@Upset Napkin, Okay, thats a fair point
@Upset Napkin, cub scouts is the build up to the boyscouts. Once youre over a certain age you cant be a cub scout anymore.
Im an Eagle Scout and im completely fine with girls joining, i think they shouldve been "Scouts" to begin with.
@Guy Fawkes, ya I was a cub Scout, and we never called it boy scouts we just called it scouts. We had a few girls but it was mostly guys
@Killing instincts , back in the day boy scouts taught boys how to be men and girl scouts taught girls how to be women. I don't think girl scouts ever really took off (I don't actually know) but boy scouts were successful for a while because they did many fun things as well. With progressive ideology taking over, some parents pressured boy scouts into letting their girls join and it effectively killed "boy scouts" instead of just fixing the girl scouts to do fun things as well.
@Scarlet Pumpernickel, Okay so a program failed so now the people who don't want to go into thag program are going into the cooler program. that's literally how I see the situation
@Killing instincts , that's a very simplified summary, but you're not wrong. The problem many people have (myself included) is that the boy scouts had to sacrifice many of their ideals and traditional values to allow girls into the boy scouts. Whether or not this was a problem is a highly debated topic.
@ptitty1231, YO THEY SOME BOMB AVV COOKIES THO
@Killing instincts , if the girl scouts suck, improve the girl scouts. Don't take away the time that boys have among themselves and destroy that learning experience for them. They learn and study together what it means to grow up to be good *men* in only a way that guys can do in the company of other guys. That's the entire point of Boy Scouts. The exact same is true (or SHOULD be true) for Girl Scouts. Inclusion is great, the same people who talk so much about safe spaces sure do love to destroy them at the same time.
@Swift Justice, I mean like it's fine if the girls and boys don't mingle, then thatd be a big problem. It fvcks with the whole dynamic. Guys just can't relax and hang with each other properly cause there's a need to perform afront of cute girls, especially at a teenage age. If it's like a separate division like this post, where it's all girls, then fvck yeah, I would love to meet a girl who did all the boy scouts stuff, rounds you out into a more humble person imo. Change the name to Wildlings, with the goal to show young humans to live in the wild and appreciate nature. Do cookies there too, show boys how to be a salesmen.
@Killing instincts , then they should change the girls scouts
@Killing instincts , Girl Scouts is basically just a child labor racket now, so I understand why no one wants to join it. The problem is the double standard. Boys and girls both have different issues they have to deal with growing up, and they should both be entitled to their own spaces to have a community and an adult to help them through those issues. But the double standard is that girls are entitled to their own spaces, and to the boys spaces.
@Killing instincts , all the idiots down voting have no idea what they’re talking about. As an Eagle Scout I grew up doing Scouts, and a major part of why I enjoyed it was that as a pubescent boy I didn’t have to think about impressing girls, or worrying about being myself in case I looked bad in front of them. Now that girls are allowed in because of their failed organization, (when the Venture and Sea Scouts already were co-gendered) the boys now have pretty much no escape from the stress of teenage life. Which sucks
@Weird Porn Stash, Girl Scouts is underrated. I was a Girl Scout, and we had adventure camps, entreprenuership projects (no, that’s not a euphemism for selling cookies), coding camps, and bomb-ass field trips (funded almost entirely by cookie sales, by the way: our troop kept most of the profits, not the national office). We once went to England for a week. I think the problem with Girl Scout is that not every troop has the same access to these opportunities. I grew up in a city, so there were a lot of other troops and we could collaborate with on bigger projects and events. Plus, I think a lot of the changes Girl Scouts have made were fairly recent, so new parents probably still have an outdated “learn how to sell cookies and sew” impression of Girl Scouts. The last issue is the Boy Scouts have more clout. If you’re an Eagle Scout, it looks good on college apps. If you have a Gold Award, you have to explain what that even is.
@Kyroll, also, the Girl Scouts hasn’t been sued over civil rights because they never tried to force out/exclude gay or trans troop leaders and Scouts.
@RomeoStealYoGurl, boy scouts DO learn how to be salesmen. And they DO everything you're saying that they should. This is coming from an Eagle Scout myself lol
@Swift Justice, I know they do everything, I meant giving apparently girl scouts don't, that maybe both Scouts should just be merged. Have times to have girls/boys together, other times seperate. Idk why there seems to be 2 completely different over head for girl/boy scouts. Seems kinda messy. People seem to argue that boy scouts is doing fine so keep the girls seperate and fix ur own sh1t, but that doesn't feel like good spirits. It's all kids lol, just remove girl scouts and merge it.
@RomeoStealYoGurl, because we’d still have the same issue of the girls wanting to join the boys troops especially if they’re run differently. That’s the main issue.
@FunnyBecauseFWord, I absolutely agree. In fact, I couldn’t agree more. I started in cub scouts and went all the way up. I was so proud when I got my Eagle Scout and I knew if I ever had a son I would wanna take him through scouts too. But now I wouldn’t dream of it because the most important piece to me was learning to be a man without having to worry about fighting over girls. I’m experiencing the same thing as an alumni of my high school. I went to a private high school that was separated by gender which made the whole experience infinitely better for the boys because they weren’t constantly trying to impress girls so nearly everyone got along, only now they’re wanting to integrate the school because the girls school is complaining. The school itself started as a boys only school and there was a another girls only school in the area that partnered with it. However, in the early 2000s they caved and added a girls school because girls wanted to join the boys only school.
@Killing instincts and everyone else:
Heres how I see it.
Boy scouts are about teaching survival skills, first aid, and craftsmenship.
Girl scouts are pretty much a big pyramid scheme where they only really teach girls how to sell cookies. My sister was in GS, so I got to see the crap they did. I was in BS and we did a WHOLE lot more.
If girls want to join the Boy Scouts, that's fine. I'm ok with it. It doesn't really solve the problem though. The problem is what Girl Scouts are doing in their program. THIS needs to be corrected and they need to do more Boy Scout-like stuff.
ie: stuff they can actually use in life.
@NewType110, exactly, whoever's in control of girls scouts needs to be romved and changed into boy scout programs. Just keep boys/girls seperate for obvious reasons, but under the same overhead of activity's and management. Girl scouts just seems like a sh1t show.
@RomeoStealYoGurl, Well, they dont need to be seperated exactly. I mean, two different programs, yes. But what should be done is have cooperative events that involve both program members.
Example: co-ed hikes or the occassional co-ed camping trip.
I get what you are going at: privacy between prepubescent kids.
But both genders do need to learn how to properly interact with one another to. Otherwise things get awkward later in life. (Trust me)
@Killing instincts , main reason they're there now is because boy scouts are running low on people and need the people and money. Not that I have s problem with it. My best friend is one I met in boy scouts and I learned so much things and met so much people. Everyone should have the opportunity
@ptitty1231, you must have had bad leaders. Personally I had the experience you describe but with boyscouts
@TomPholio, ...I'm a boy. I was speaking from my sister's perspective and some of my lady friends
However I also had a bad scout leader too
@Killing instincts ,lets rename boy scouts: scouts that dosent support child labour and girl scouts:child labout
@Killing instincts , too true man. Boy Scouts actually teaches you survival skills and shït. Girl Scouts is just a bunch of girls selling cookies for free. Girl Scouts is just a scam.
1. Can’t help but notice the boy in the green uniform right behind them that doesn’t look old enough to be a councilor.
2. I don’t blame them, Boy Scouts do a TON more stuff than Girl Scouts do, I would be pissed if I wanted to learn how to start fires and tie knots and set up tents and my councilor decided the knitting badge was more important.
@liberachi , hey we agree. There ahould be a plaque or something somewhere :)
@liberachi , did you just assume her gender?
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@liberachi , we litterally memed a president into office. Meanwhile warrens begging people to be on her meme team.
@BlazingBowman, Bernie wins 2020. This comment will only get more powerful with time.
@liberachi , old racist socialists will never defeat the god emperor. Lol
@liberachi , man, always a crazy day I agree with you on something lol.
@liberachi , if he does, I will personally start off the second civil war.
@ALargeRacoon, I’m sure you will.
@liberachi , thank you for your vote of confidence!
Ahh not call it the scouts instead?
@megamanx181x, I think they changed the name to “Scouts BSA” which is close but still dumb cause bsa stands for Boy Scouts of America
My dudes it's because boy scouts is struggling. Membership declines every year. They're in all sorts of legal trouble about abuses that happened to young boys. They'll take any member they can get ay this point
Just call them "the scouts" sheesh
They come for the djck, and stay for the cheap holidays
Just do what we do in the land of tea and crumpets, call it "scouts" then it's for everyone and no fvcker gets butt-hurt
@JasonOfArgo, read the thread to my comment. Americans are prudes.
They have to start calling them Penis Scouts. Since anyone can be a boy or girl these days.
For ppl who want to be all inclusive, there sure are a lot of white ppl in those pic....
in the words boy scout -ben shapiro
Eek bobba derkel someones gonna get laid in college
Girl scouts get to do crap compared to boy scouts. It should just be scouts, be co-ed, and let the boys also get in on that sweet, sweet cookie money. All they have is overpriced popcorn.
@Marie Celeste, when I was in the scouts we sold Christmas trees and mulch to raise money. I can’t remember ever not selling out before Christmas/Summer
@Marie Celeste, That’s not really the issue we’re talking about though. We understand that the Girl Scouts suck. The thing is though that the Boy Scouts was meant to be a place for boys to learn who to be men and cherish relationships with other boys through shared camaraderie without trying to compete to impress girls. It was meant to be a safe space for boys. Only now it’s not anymore. Girls can get into the boys’ space but not vice versa. It’s destroyed the whole purpose of the Boy Scouts. If they had separate troops for girls and boys then that’s fine, but that’s not how it’s being implemented. There’s gonna be big rise in pregnancies too from these CO-Ed troops I’d wager as well considering the level of supervision in scouting was not extreme when I was in it.
@Lord Cthulhu, its 2019. Boys don't need a separate group to learn to be men. Girls don't need a separate group to learn to be women. They can learn to be good humans together. Hence why I said just make it all one co-ed group. Introducing boys and girls to work together early on is good for them.
@Marie Celeste, The “It’s current year” argument isn’t a good one. I’m well aware of the year and can read a calendar. The point is that as a boy transitioning into manhood, it’s exceedingly important to have a space to grow into a man without the interference of the other sex as it only leads to competition. They can learn to work together in school. The scouting was separate for a reason. Girls and boys are not interchangeable and have different educational needs. Sure it’d be great if the Girl Scouts had better activities but they need to leave the Boy Scouts alone
@Lord Cthulhu, it's a great argument. There's plenty of spaces for boys to learn to be "men" and girls "women". Making it co-ed isn't going to destroy them.
@Marie Celeste, Ok, I’ll bite. What are some of those supposed spaces for boys to be “men”? I’m well aware there’s plenty of safe spaces for women. That’s not the issue.
@Lord Cthulhu, I'm not going to list every after school activity that exists in the world. Can't be hard for you to find one that works for your kids.
I also didn't say "safe spaces". I said "spaces". Safe spaces are a farce. Toughen up.
@Marie Celeste, You must realize that there actually aren’t very many if any other activities meant specifically for boys. That’s what I’m pointing out. Not every space has to be all-inclusive.
@Lord Cthulhu, listen. I'm the youngest child of three and the only girl. Nothing was ever "just for girls" for me my entire life. Life isn't segregated beyond a bathroom stall. There's plenty of activities that cater to boys, but ultimately how they learn to be men falls 99% on the parents, specifically dad. If activities outside of the home are their only way of learning, I'm concerned.
@Marie Celeste, My point about coed scouting is more that once you introduce the other sex, either one will start to act differently as a reaction to the presence of the other sex. I agree that safe spaces are a farce. My point is simply scouting was meant to be a place where children of the same sex can learn to have friendships and relationships with others without the pressures of teenage life, that being trying to impress the opposite sex. I’m not against having girls in the Boy Scouts. I’m against putting them together and destroying the foundation upon which scouting was founded.
@Lord Cthulhu, you can make scouts co-ed and still set up activities, like camping, that can be optional to choose between co-ed or boy/girl only. I have even seen a couple girl scout summer camps set up this way. It's not a big deal.
Having options that fit each individual families values is key.
@Marie Celeste, I think we’re actually pretty close to agreement on this. I just think that scouts should have boys troops and girls troops and maybe even coed troops with similar choices for camps and activities. My whole point is that the Venture Scouts and Sea Scouts already exist and are coed as well as both are sponsored and very closely related to the BSA. Why does Boy Scouts also have to be coed