I like how it had to say “(for Americans)”
@seeUpee, don’t know why they needed to, considering we’re the only country that has the consistent issue of children getting mass murdered in schools.
@K1l, right? Every other week when I was in school, we had someone shoot up the place and kill like 20 kids
@K1l, shooting sure, but In the Middle East kids get blown up all the time. In China you get a ton of mass knife stabbings in schools
@wulfzen, ah yes, let’s compare our selves to war-torn middle eastern countries and communist China. Very comparable to our nation’s situation.
@K1l, people are people
@wulfzen, there isn’t mass stabbing in China’s schools, or rather any more than any other country. There’s likely more stabbings US schools than in China.
@JC839, China does have a stabbing attack problem with schools. But, that’s my point. We shouldn’t compare our nation’s public saftey standards to places like China.
Regardless of that, the mass shooting attacks in the US are more common and deadlier than the stabbing attacks in China.
@seeUpee, and Israelis
@K1l, Please show me the statistics that Mass Shootings(Actual Mass Shootings please), are more common and deadlier. I'd like to see them.
I also want to ask what other countriescan we compare with? The UK? With all of their stabbings? Or can we just not compare with any country? Because... Reasons.
The largest mass stabbing incident I can find (from anywhere in the world) was the 2014 Kunming Attack in China. In this attack, 31 people were killed and 140 injured. The attack was perpetrated by EIGHT people.
In comparison, the largest mass shooting incident was the 2017 Las Vegas attack in which 58 people were killed and 422 people were injured. ONE person committed this act.
Not to mention the several other attacks in comparable casualty numbers such as the Orlando Nightclub attack (49 killed), Virginia tech (32 killed), Sandy hook (27 killed), Sutherlind Springs (26 killed) and so on.
Just to clarify, for this next part im going to consider 10 or more civilian deaths as a “mass murder”:
Just since 2009 (the last 10 years) there have been 15 shooting incidents in which 10 or more civilians were killed in the US alone. This makes a total civilian death count of 307 from mass shootings.
In that same time frame, there have only been 3 mass stabbing incidents (in which 10 or more civilians were killed): 2014 Kunming attacks (as mentioned, 31 killed), the 2016 Sagamihari attack (19 killed) and the 2017 London Bridge attack (11 killed). For a total of 61 civilian deaths from mass stabbing attacks.
@K1l, I understand this data predates some of your examples, however I believe it's still relevant to this conversation. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-us-leads-the-world-in-mass-shootings//amp&ved=2ahUKEwjoyrGIxvnmAhVCwlkKHUy5BU0QFjAAegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw079zKJjm_DQSEzvmCdnwWN&cf=1
@K1l, But also, please answer my question about who we can compare to? To make all of this even worse, did you know that other countries have varying ways of measuring mass shootings, and killings, so it's way more complicated to compare than one would think?
@Thatoneguymayknow, can’t click links or copy comments on this app. Just tell me what the search and what the headline looks like because there is no way im gonna memorize that and type it in.
@Thatoneguymayknow, Nevermind, found the article.
But the article you provided shows you’re steering this argument away from mass shootings vs mass stabbings. I proved that mass shootings in the US alone have been deadlier and more common than mass stabbings worldwide when based on the same criteria. The article is just about comparing shooting statistics to each other, which is completely irrelevant to the conversation you brought up.
But regardless, I’ll argue the article too. It refers to Lott’s study about mass shooting rates. His information is seemingly correct, but misleading. In his study, he compares mass shootings to population size, which is not how mass shooting statistics should be compared to each other.
It’s one thing to do that for crime rates/death rates and the likes, but the issue with mass shootings isn’t how many people are killed per capita, it’s the fact that the actual number of people are killed is high and that it’s consistent.
For example: (again, considering a mass shooting as 10+ deaths)
Between 2009 to now, Norway has had one mass shooting attack in which 69 people were killed.
In that same time frame (2009-2019), the US has had 15 “mass shootings” in which 307 people were killed, with 1 or more attacks per year aside from 2010, 2011, and 2014.
If we compare deaths to the respective population sizes (in the same way Lott and your article did), Norway would seemingly have a bigger mass shooting problem since if you do the math, they have a much higher death rate and frequency per capita than the US since Norway’s population is much smaller.
@Thatoneguymayknow, Looking at it this way is very misleading. By those numbers, Norway has a bigger mass shooting problem, but in reality they have had only one isolated incident. Who would you say has a bigger mass shooting problem, Norway who had only ONE mass shooting with a total 69 deaths or the US which had FIFTEEN mass shootings totaling 307 deaths? Looking at the actually occurrences, the US is facing a more consistent issue whereas Norway had only one incident.
@K1l, I realize now, I was responding to too many of your comments with mine, sorry for the confusion. But the article is more so for the picture itself, and the argument that the US is worse. But regardless of the symantics(I'll concede that the article is comparing per capita, although I don't see why that is a bad thing per se.) the other countries measurements is a huge problem for comparison.
You actually haven't proven anything, you just listed some numbers, with no source.
According to Euronews there were 285 knife murders in England and Wales alone in 2017/18 pretty comparable to the 307 number you gave for US Mass Shootings, without even leaving the EU.
(I can get you a link if you want)
Now if you want to argue Mass Stabbings vs Mass Shootings. No duh, more die by Mass Shootings, because they are more likely to happen, with the range you can get vs coming close with a knife.
But let's dig deeper, let's look at overall homicide rates. (1/2)
@K1l, If you look up homicide rates by country, and do a bit of math you can get some interesting numbers. Based on population and murder rate Mexico has 7k more homicides a year than the US, Brazil has 45k more homicides a year. Those are insane. (2/2)
@K1l, Another thing that I should point out is that getting numbers based on deaths solely, and not per captia isn't readily available.
@Thatoneguymayknow, Woah woah, you totally just flipped the topic from mass murders to homicides, which are totally different topics. This whole time we have been debating specifically what you asked me about in your first reply to me: “Please show me that mass shootings are more common and deadlier” which was a reply to me saying that mass shootings are deadlier and more common than mass stabbing attacks.
Just general homicide is a totally different argument, which I really dont have the time to get into right now. But just to touch on it, I’d bet that gun homicides are similar to that of knife homicides and other tools of murder. But that’s irrelevant while talking about mass murder. Homicides are typically an issue that fall under crime and poverty rates, education and and several other factors. Method of homicide is almost irrelevant because the other factors are far more influential on the statistics.
@Thatoneguymayknow, However, one of the major reasons for debating mass murder is because of the methods used. The US specifically has such a high amount of mass murders because of the accessibility to high end weapons that are commonly used in these attacks.
The US is not exclusive to this issue, mass murders certainly occur worldwide. However, the US is the only country to consistently face an issue of one or more attacks almost on a yearly basis in which 10+ people are killed, typically by only one individual.
Mass murders are certainly not completely preventable, but in this country there is one specific correlation between almost every single mass murder in the US: accessibility to semi-automatic weapons. And while they do happen, truck attacks, bombings, mass stabbings are not as common or easily done by an individual.
@K1l, Technically speaking Mass murders, and homicides are not "totally" different, they are very similar. The only difference is the quantity per occurrence. Which isn't measured the same across countries. Put that aside I was simply adding it to the conversation.
Now, it wasn't entirely apparent to me at least, that you were referring to Mass Stabbings originally. It sounded like you were referring to stabbings in general.
You would be correct that gun homicides are similar in number to knife homicides, and other tools. Because it's just a tool.
I will again point out that we don't have the accurate data to say that the US is the leader in mass shootings. In fact, if you count dictators, and such leaders killing large groups of people, I think you could argue the US is far from the lead.
But we don't have enough information.
I'll concede that it appears that way with the information we have, but I'd rather have a few mass shootings, then 10s of thousands of deaths.
@K1l, Actually, it's not because of accessibility to "high end" weapons. It's poor parenting, improper training, the Media, and a problematic society(I would also blame the government for some of it as well).
If you pay attention to where these shootings happen, you would notice a trend. They happen in "Gun Free" zones, why do you think that is?
If there were guns there, I don't think we would be seeing Mass Shootings, or at least to the degree they have reached.
I will concede that it is easier to commit a mass killing with a firearm, than the other examples you have shown, but I would be very careful with what you are suggesting.
Should say "(for Americans)" on both vehicles
@CallMeCaptain, the US did take the most heavily fortified beach in D-Day (Omaha) but also the least manned beach (Utah) while Juno, Sword, and Gold were all pretty equally difficult to take, and had similar numbers of casualties to one another, more than Utah by a good amount, but significantly less than Omaha.
This isn't fortnight
It gets you there doesn’t it??? What more do you want??
Maybe if we get rid of guns then these pyschopathic people will be cured and not want to harm people anymore
They had to say “for Americans” cause we all know the Kurds didn’t help in WW2.
I will not be taking questions or responding to criticism for this post. Laugh or don’t. Let’s leave it at that.
Just like the Simulations!