Good job agent powers
But he's not taking advantage of her? She's telling him to kiss her. I'm not saying I agree with rape or anything fyi.
@StraightOuttaWaffles, oh god you just stepped in it big time buddy, helicopter out while you can
@StraightOuttaWaffles, according to feminists when a woman makes the adult decision to consume alcohol they don't they don't have to deal with consequences of having consensual drunk sex. According to recent laws a drunk woman can't give consent. Didn't stop her from consenting to drinking amirite?
@StraightOuttaWaffles, but if a guy knows that a girl would never kiss him unless she was drunk, he would get her drunk to take advantage of her. That's why people in general (not just girls) should never go drinking alone
@FFCrisisC, in NC a girl can consent to have sex at 16, but can't drink until 21. Essentially she can be responsible for having as much sex as she wants for 5 years, but when she's 21 if she has just 1 drink all her judgement has been skewed by the demon drink
@McGeek, but if a guy "gets" her drunk she still consented to drink to that argument is lost to me.
@FFCrisisC, that's where things usually get tricky legally. If the guy slips something into her drink, it's messed up, but if it was just alcohol that she drank of her own accord, then she's gotta be ready to face the consequences of getting blackout drunk
@McGeek, is a kiss really assault? Let's be reasonable, sure if it's kind of odd a person can say no and that should be it. What PC culture tries to teach is that even while sober one must ask for affirmative consent to kiss a someone and if they've had a sip of beer their decision is immediately voided.
@Michael Fassbender, I'm not saying I disagree with you at all, I was just voicing the other side of the discussion. You have very valid points
@McGeek, if he slips her something or she blacksout that's absolutely and completely rape. But if she made the choice to drink and then gave consent to have sex how on earth could that be rape?
@Michael Fassbender, I get that in my two replys I may come off a little rapey. The point I'm trying to make is that having drunk sex isn't rape, a passed out person however is. It's a shame to see "feminist" fight drunk hook ups and technicalities when there are women in the world with serious human rights violations that plague them every day
@FFCrisisC, it's not, I never said it was. I agree with you. The very first guy just seemed confused so I shared the other sides point of view, that's all
@FFCrisisC, when turning 21 an adult should either 1) choose not to drink because whatever reason they may have 2) drink responsibly and when drinking fully understand that consequences that come along with drinking irresponsibly
@FFCrisisC, Well she was sober when she consented to drink
@FFCrisisC, why do we allow women to act like children...?
@Michael Fassbender, exactly man. Drinking is a choice and it has consequences one consequence is impaired judgement that's nothing new.
@McGeek, yeah I get it, it's just that 0 tolerance policies allow for no interpretations of situations. Let's go through two hypotheticals
1) two freshmen meet in college they hang out frequently with a group of friends and one of them happens to have a bottle. All the friends choose to play a drinking game and everyone ends up a good amount drunk. One of the two original people invites the other to their room and they end up having sex.
2) a freshman arrives at college and meets a senior (let's say they already knew each other). They hangout, the senior has an off campus house and parties a lot but the freshman never partied much. The freshman goes to the senior's party and the senior keeps giving them drinks which they oblige to take to try to stay cool. The freshman is visibly too drunk yet the senior takes the freshman to their room and has sex with them
According to colleges both of these situations are the same. Kind of takes away from the power of the word "rape"
@McGeek, so shes 21 shes a big girl she should be able to decide for herself drunk or not.
@Michael Fassbender, that's what sucks about most of these situations, it's really hard to prevent them from happening completely, or serving justice to people who did commit rape, the presence of alcohol changes everything from a legal standpoint. Whether it's just a beer, or 12 shots of vodka. Most of the time you have a choice when you drink, but there are some cases like the second one you said where someone was pressured in a social situation. Where do we draw the line? When is a person responsible for whatever happens to them? There's no real defined line, usually it's gotta be a case by case thing
@FFCrisisC, I think it should go both ways, like if a man is drunk and wants sex the woman should be in the same hot water if it was reversed.
@BlazingBowman, well hold on. 1) let's be real I'd say the majority of these drunk sex/rape cases are college freshmen who don't know their limits, it's their first time having freedom and hard figure out what drinking habits best suit you 2) regardless if she's 18, 21, or 45 blacked out people should never be taken advantage of 3) it's very hard to gauge exactly how drunk a woman is. For example my mom can drink beer and liquor all day and all night like a champ, but I've also met girls who've had one shot and been drunk.
@McGeek, as far as im concerned as long as its not coherced/ physically forced/ or unconcious during sex its not rape.
@FFCrisisC, yet when if i drink then drive i can go to jail for drunk driving! So it appears while drunk you can only consent to certain things. You cant consent to sex but you can consent to drive. Broken law here, basically using drinking as a scape goat to a much bigger issue. Fyi i dont support rape, but you SHOULD be responsible for all your actions if you choose to take something that will alter your judgment, decision making skills, and/or psyche.
@McGeek, I don't know where we draw the line, but I do know the solution. Legalize prostitution. If you've got the urge to rape just go pay a prostitute, a lot easier than buying roofies and a drink and getting her back to your apartment and taking the clothes off of her unconscious body and taking advantage of her and then realizing that those weren't roofies and seeing she's not breathing and oh god I need a lawyer and no wait I can't go to jail and I think if I charter a boat out to the ocean and throw her body in a trash bag full of bricks overboard all my problems will go away and this is fine, this is fine, this is fine. Do you know any deep sea fishing boat charters by the way? I need to know for a friend.
@Michael Fassbender, yeah i can never personally tell when someones drunk, and if shes unconcious and unable to give consent then no dont have sex with her. But if shes still conscience during no matter how drunk i dont think it should count as rape. Its not cool but it shouldnt be rape.
@BlazingBowman, the worst part is that the title of rapist can ruin someone's life, yet there are people who accuse people of it so haphazardly
@Michael Fassbender, that's also a whole other issue, if a woman accuses a man of rape when he did not commit it, during the court process of proving he's innocent he could lose his job and all credibility and nothing happens to her.
@McGeek, it's all just a load of technical PC bullshít. One girl may or may not get raped, huge media outlet puts all their trust into sweet innocent girl who was RAPED by white males with their privilege, .05% of people have a huge protest calling for change, school obliges because the school can't be accused of supporting "rape culture". :/
@McGeek, to me it's honestly terrorism and libel, "give into our demands or we'll ruin your reputation"
@Implicit88, consent to drive? That's apples and oranges. The car can't egg you on or drive without you while you lay there hardly knowing what's going on. Nor can it intentionally get you drunk for the purpose of having you drunk drive. The situations are just too different for that to be an ample comparison
@Tyrellious, he's trying to say if a persons judgement is so bad that their inability to make a decision on sex makes them a victim of rape, could the same not be said of a person who is too drunk to decide if they should drive or not, since they are not in control they are a victim of the alcohol. At least that's my interpretation of his comment (I don't much agree with it though) (then again I don't much drive drunk or rape people all too often yet here we are)
@Michael Fassbender, I understand that. I'm just trying to say I think it's a flimsy argument when context is compared, even though it can appear sound when phrased correctly. I think the largest difference is the presence of other actors in the situation since the car cannot act and therefore cannot be an "actor"
1) young adults make bad decisions
2) drunk people make bad decisions
3) drunk young adults make the worst decisions
We all know that driving drunk or drunk sex is bad, but we're really stupid, don't expect a drunk party goer to be thinking with 100% logic and rationality. Still if you think about raping some one, Uncle Fassy says "don't"
@McGeek, I don't think social pressures should matter because if you succumb to those pressures it's still your choice
@McGeek, also according to the letter of the law. Sexual consent can't be given when one's BAC is above the legal limit
@Big Hat Brogan, well isn't that almost impossible to prove?
@ajr12100, social pressures aren't like what they make it out to be in DARE class. Peer pressure isn't some evil looking guy offering you *gasp* a beer. Peer pressure can be as simple as "hey want to have another beer with me, come on" and once people hit a certain point we stop thinking and keep drinking that's when things get dangerous
@ajr12100, Fassie here beat me to it. Peer pressure can be as simple as not being able to deny a request. It isn't as demonization leads you to believe.
@Michael Fassbender, it is, which is why I don't understand the rule in the first place. Quite a few people can be well over the legal limit and still not seem drunk, thus leading me to question how one is supposed to classify someone as drunk.
@Michael Fassbender, there can be so many situations with legal grey areas, but all it takes is a single woman pointing and yelling "rape" for shît to hit the fan
@StraightOuttaWaffles, A person should always be responsible for their actions including how much they drink, knowing their limits, and having good friends to watch over them and take care of them if they are gonna get loose, but drunk rape is more like you were driving the wrong way on a divided freeway with a suspended license for reckless endangerment with a deadly weapon in an unregisterable vehicle and you plowed into a drunk driver and expect it to be the drunk drivers fault.
@Michael Fassbender, I know that this is quite late, but about the prostitution thing: the main reason prostitution isn't legal isn't actually because of "morality", it's more because of it being near impossible to tax.
@Papyru, they did it in Australia, move the women into brothels, hire some bouncers. After it was legalized crime went down, drug use went down, STD rated went down, and divorce rates went down 😬. The women are safer and cleaner and have a more secure source of income
@Papyru, you can tax the brothels if that wasn't clear
@Michael Fassbender, true, but I do remember hearing that it was mostly about taxes. I don't know why they don't just use brothels, but they dont.
@Azing, right though about the peer pressure. We're taught it'll be some malicious looking character going "you want to try... MARIJUANA!?" And he'll hand it to you like the witch handing Snow White the poisonous Apple. In reality it's as simple as "you want a hit?". Personally I consider it rude to turn it down, but I'm not the one who needs drug education.
@Papyru, as a libertarian I believe that consenting adults should be able to conduct whatever business they wish to (as long as it doesn't harm a non-consenting third party). Seriously how can we call ourselves the land of the free and boast about a free market when prostitution or marijuana is illegal?
@Michael Fassbender, I don't agree with it.
@Papyru, why not?
@Michael Fassbender, I meant the law against prostitution. I feel like I kind of came off as if I was cool with the law.
@Papyru, I also bet mass shootings would go down with legal prostitution, seriously look at those guys.
@Michael Fassbender, .08 yes, but it's easy enough to know when someone is too drunk for sex. Even if it wasn't illegal, it would still be super creep status to hook up with someone way drunker than you.
@Big Hat Brogan, if someone was a .09 when they agreed to sex then how could anyone prove that the judgement was void because of intoxication? Not like I'm going to ask her to blow on a breathalyzer, I got something else I'd rather have her be blowing on
@FFCrisisC, anyone, men or women, cannot give consent when under the influence of drugs or alcohol. They cannot give consent for sex. They cannot sign legal contracts. Intoxicated people cannot give any form of consent. It has nothing to do with feminism.
@Ruupasya, ... But we can, if I drink a beer before clicking "I agree to terms and conditions" it's still just as binding
@Implicit88, I agree with the drunk driving example 1000% everytime I bring it up to debate with people though they insist it's entirely different.
@Tyrellious, keep in mind i am not talking about a malicious attempt by another "actor". But another example, a drunk guy gets egged on by another sober guy to rob a convenience store. Should both be charged? Or should the drunk one not be liable since he was egged on. As i have said before, the law is broken and is only hiding a deeper issue in society where people wish to scapegoat their problems or issues.
@Michael Fassbender, you are correct in your summary of my comment. Congrtaz! Just keep in mind im not supporting either, just showing scenarios of why are current approach to drinking laws is flawed.
@Implicit88, that's a close example, but the person who egged on still gets in trouble. It's not so much about not being accountable for your actions as it is someone taking advantage of you being accountable for their advantage taking. Like a woman still has to be liable for the guilt, diseases, et cetera
@Michael Fassbender, when in doubt, don't hook up. Blue balls sucks, but it's better than potentially violating someone's body and emotional state.
@StraightOuttaWaffles, once someone has ingested enough alcohol to be heavily intoxicated they can no longer give consent. Therefore if a woman or man tried to have sex with you when drunk and you are sober and they consented, that qualifies as sexual assault.
Why is it suddenly rape when the girls inebriated, of she says yes while shes drunk how is it that she suddenly cant decide for herself if she wants to have sex and is washed of responsibility? If i get drunk then kill someone because i drove drunk am i now not responsible for killong that person? And if the guy and the girls both drunk and its consentual are they raping each other? No of course not just because you inebreated doesnt mean your not responsible for yourself.
@BlazingBowman, I agree with you. Two drunk people having sex isn't rape for either side. But I've known some guys who try to get girls wasted just so theyll have sex with him, even though he'll only get buzzed or barely drunk. And I think that's absolutely wrong. I think the biggest reason Austin said no wasn't because it was rape, but because he wanted her love and (sober) affection. And he had to much manly pride to accept a girl's affection if it were even slightly compromised.
@Tyrellious, ot might not be right but she decided to drink and she decided to have sex with him drunk or not. It shouldnt be rape even being accused of eape will destroy a persons life.
@BlazingBowman, I think it's all about intent. If I'm trying to go out and get some woman who would never sleep with me sober, incredibly drunk so she will sleep with me, that's rape. But if I'm drunk and meet a drunk chick and we smash. That's fine. And if a woman tries to get me drunk enough to sleep with her, even though I wouldn't sober, that would be an attempt at rape. Just because a drunk person offers you their wallet, doesn't mean that taking it isn't stealing. Don't get me wrong. I think rape is sometimes used frivolously in the court of law. I think feminism and the media have vilified some things that are in the gray area as "absolutely rape culture." I don't believe there is a rape culture in the US. Not in the public at least. (There is one in the human trafficking sector) and I think there are cultures in other parts of the world that are a lot worse that (the attention seeking) feminists (not the ones that actually care about women) don't have the balls to tackle.
@Tyrellious, tl;dr if two drunk people smash, it's fine, but if you are trying to get someone drunk just so they'll have sex with you, when they wouldn't sober, then you are in the wrong and probably don't have much of a life to destroy anyway
@Tyrellious, no it wouldnt be theft if some drunk idiot gives you their wallet then its the same as if they gave it to you sober. Like if they gave it to you as a gift then it isnt stealing. When your drunk it should be treated if your sober.... unless you pass out then its rape. Now if you trick a person out of their wallet i guess it just has to go for context like if you ask them to break a 20 or something and when theu pull it out you take it and run would be theft.
@BlazingBowman, so if I led a drunk guy into a lawyers office and got him to sign everything away to me. Full agreement. No trickery. Just really bad drunk judgement. Do you think it would stand?
@Tyrellious, i dont know about legality, but youve got to be responsible for yourself. Dont put yourself into a situation where someone can take advantage of you. There are plenty of ways to avoid being a victim.
@BlazingBowman, what I'm trying to say is this. It comes down to legality. Is a person a boob for getting drunk past their limits? Yes. But someone who takes advantage of them is also a boob, and probably even more so. Impaired judgement from alcohol can occur before a person even feels buzzed, so idk where the line should be drawn. I don't think one sip of beer, or even one whole beer is enough for most people to claim significantly impaired judgement. But for a select few, a beer may get them shnickered. And while a person should definitely weigh the risks of drinking beforehand, no one can accurately predict what is going to happen to them when they're drunk. I may think I'm safe by drinking in a group, but then my group all passes out. I mean if I'm drinking by myself at a shady place and get hammered, I'm being stupid. But if I'm wearing a revealing skirt in the wrong part if town at night I'm also being stupid. In which of those situations is sex ok?
@BlazingBowman, I get that. I do. And people should avoid bad situations. (I personally don't drink or like the idea of having my judgement impaired in any situation) but sometimes a person who wants to have some fun drinking with buddies, taking every precaution, can still fall prey to some shady situations. And I think that is the biggest issue. I honestly don't care about the girl who got hammered at a place of ill repute so that she could become a martyr for feminism. I do care about the one who did know her limits, was hanging out with friends that she thought would protect her, and was preyed on by some guys who had bad designs from the start. Because I've had to protect a woman from that, and it's a serious situation.
@Tyrellious, and a side note (personal experience). It's damn near impossible to convince some women that their little night of fun could be potentially dangerous.
@Tyrellious, deffinetly allot of gray areas on this topic all im saying is just because your judgement is impared doesnt mean you get to go without consequences for your actions. Just cause you decide you wouldnt have done it if you were sober you shouldnt be able to take back consent. Being charged with rape will destroy a person, hell even being accused of rape will destroy a person, and it is a very serious topic to debate. Thx for the discussion. Also dont reply again i did something on my phone that notifies me when someones replied to me its really long and annoying and i cant figure out how to change it. Thx
@BlazingBowman, try going into settings, and under notifications, limit funny pics to no notification. That's how I did it
@Tyrellious, yeah but if i do that i wont be able to see when someone responds to my comments.
@BlazingBowman, then you could leaver the notification (banner or whatever) but there's another option to disable the sound (that's what mine says anyways) and that makes it where the notification doesn't ring/vibrate
@Tyrellious, ill figure it out but thx for trying.
Austin Powers was a true master at the art of shagging
That's not taking advantage of a woman.... What retarded "white knight" guy posted this or what dumb pseudo feminist posted this?
@FoodieAsFuk, drunk means you can't give consent and if he said ok when she asked that's taking advantage of a drunk persons "consent."
@Mei Bodewig, yeah; that's retarded.
@FoodieAsFuk, thousands upon thousands disagree but ok
Sex wouldn't be a problem so when a man wakes up to a troll it's a joke but when a woman does it's rape give me a good reason why
@eleven, equality only works in certain situations? About the only answer I can give. And even then it's a questionable answer
@eleven, No one, men or women, can legally give consent to anything, including sex, when intoxicated.
So following this line of reasoning women that drink and drive shouldn't go to jail because they aren't mature to take account of their decisions. Got it.
Don't give then tea if they don't want it!!!
It was making fun of some of the bond movies where bond definitely bangs drunk women.
Wasn't a woman. She was a Vembot
Thats because he knew there would be more to come. Hes not thirsty in the wilderness ya know?
The devil made me do it
Sean Connery on the other hand...
Nah he was just afraid she'd barf in his mouth