I would rather have a gun and not need it then need one and not have it
@LeoRawr, Alien vs. Predator
@LeoRawr, speech increased to 80....
@Sexy Homunculus, I live in Texas so I see quite a few of those
@LeoRawr, I have a bumper sticker that says that
@LeoRawr, Well no one is trying to take your gun away. So your comment is irrelevant.
@ElvesRock60, you're irrelevant.
@LeoRawr, I dont know why everyone is against owning guns... all the people that use them in horrible ways get them illegally, and its not like every criminal uses a gun. If we got rid of guns entirely and criminals couldn't get them illegally, then they would use everything else at their disposal. Many criminals today use knives and that isnt on the news. Just guns. And there honestly isnt a reason why they should make guns illegal. They are just taking away safety from law abiding citizens. The only reason I could think of for anyone in government to take away guns is to prevent an uprising, and only the democrats are for it.
@Obama is satan, what was the point of that last sentence? Similarly, only the republicans are for guns.
@Obama is satan, look at European crime records, then look at USA. I don't claim to know much at all, but I do know that the violence is higher.
@LeoRawr, like a condom
@JuicyButtSweat, Level Up!
@The Winter Sloth, what does that have to do with guns? You cannot directly correlate crime with guns. You can see crimes that had gun involvement, but cannot say that crime would not have happened without the gun. At least you admitted you don't know much.
@Obama is satan, not all guns for killing are gained legally. What america needs to do is THINK. America solves symptoms of a problem not the problem. If we were to solve the real problem gun rights would not need to change.
@The Winter Sloth, if you want to compare to them, then you be jealous of their sex slaves, human trafficking, high level corruption among their police force, should I go on? I hate it when people compare our crime rate to the rest of the world, while we have no idea to what is going on in the actual world!
@Implicit88, been saying that for years. Treat the symptoms while curing the problem. Covering the symptoms won't do squat.
@Madmartigan, yes and we must all remember even if guns and crimes are correlated to any degree that correlation does NOT mean/prove causation. People either dont know or tend to forget this.
@LeoRawr, sorry to do this but here goes
Ps I love guns! :)
@LeoRawr, I'd rather have hemorrhoids and not need it rather then need it and not have them
@The Winter Sloth, Europe doesn't share a border with mexico
@classical nerd, What if I told you there are more American political parties than democrats and republicans?
Brace yourselves, for gun control comments are coming
@Kingair983, My master plan to control the minds of guns everywhere will soon come to its climax!!! MUWAHAHAHAHA!!!
@Kingair983, I prefer blades ^_^ makes them suffer longer before they die :)
@Kingair983, gun control comment
Because he realized that the only reason he didn't die was because his secret security were able to protect him... With guns!
@MikeWazowski, But the secret service aren't private citizens, they're government employees. If there were more strict gun laws making it harder for private citizens to obtain firearms the secret service would still keep their guns to protect the President in case a private citizen illegally obtained a firearm.
@Aperture Employee, Are you that stupid? Criminals will get guns regardless, You need to wake up. All that will do is disarm victims and causing more people to die
@Aperture Employee, so he can protect his family with guns but I can't protect mine? You wantto take away guns from all the people who have them legally, when most of the crime is committed by unregistered guns. Taking guns away from the citizens who use them for protection is only going to leave us... Unprotected!
@MikeWazowski, No, I'm saying that there should be stricter regulations for getting a gun, so criminals can't obtain registered guns.
@Aperture Employee, Wow good luck, you'll cut down on the 1% of gun crime that's committed with registered weapons! And in the process, restrict millions of people who just want a gun to protect their families.
@MikeWazowski, Sorry, there was a typo, I meant to say "so criminals can't obtain unregistered guns"
@Aperture Employee, I think the goal then would be to cut down on the black market, which has very little to do with the actual sale or restriction of legal guns. It's a whole different matter in and of itself, which doesn't relate in any way to this picture.
@ProGamer629, If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns.
@ProGamer629, why is it that guns don't kill people, people kill people? By that logic, doesnt that mean guns don't save people, people save people?
@ProGamer629, well played, sir. Very, very well played.
@DinkIeberg, Well then I'll unplug that life support that you're reliant on. Because your in a coma.
@DinkIeberg, Sorry for being rude, I just had that opening and I had to take it
@ProGamer629, I wouldve done the same, that's the best arguement i've heard so far.
@Aperture Employee, sssshhhh.
@DinkIeberg, pretty much. Guns are an extension of the operator. Cars don't drive drunk. Just like ambulances don't drive people to the hospital.
@Jean Kirschtein, but I can't kill you by pointing my finger at you and saying "bang"
@DinkIeberg, no, but i could kill you with nothing but a finger. Does the finger then kill you? Or did i?
@Jean Kirschtein, could u kill an entire movie theater of people, with them knowing what you were doing, bare handed? Or does the gun help with that?
@DinkIeberg, probably not. But then, a bomb would be more effective anyway. Or a handful of grenades. Point is, if everybody is on an even playing field, it's a near impossibility to pull off a mass murder. Say i was a trained fighter, i could take on 3-4 or more unarmed, untrained people. If my intended targets were also trained fighters, I'd be lucky to take 2 at a time. Maniacs will ALWAYS have access to a force multiplier. The most effective way to eliminate the force multiplier is to multiply everybody's force capabilities. Whether it be knives, swords, guns, training, armor, or anything else. Unless guns could effectively be taken out of the equation, (let's be real here, they can't) the best way to combat armed psychos is with armed victims. If you can't disarm the horrors in the world, why would you make sheep out of people who could otherwise be sheepdogs against the wolves?
@MikeWazowski, well guns weren't used to rush him to the hospital.
@ProGamer629, Hey, cut out the name calling. His statement in no way portrayed a personal opinion. It was simply an "if this, then that" statement. Besides, He has a right to an opinion anyway without someone calling him stupid.
@DinkIeberg, no, but there are plenty of other things that you can use to kill puerile that are normal everyday objects.
@Aperture Employee, think if everyone in the audience had a gun, the assassin would have had 10 holes in him before he even got a shot off.
@Aperture Employee, if you had private guards, would you take THEIR guns away?
@Aperture Employee, but the don't obtain registered guns. they obtain them ILLEGALLY.
Greatest President ever.
@Two Left Feet, I disagree. Calvin Coolidge was easily the best president.
@Two Left Feet, I was named after Reagan :)
Well it was because the shooter was Stan Smith (for those who get the reference)
Yeah except for that part where he supported gun control legislation.
EXCEPT NO HE DIDN'T. HE IS PARTIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BRADY BILL, WHICH IS COMPLETELY AGAINST FIREARMS. Sorry for yelling, I just hate when people spew nonsense.
@Trollvahkiin, details? Source?
@Trollvahkiin, not trying to e an asshole, I just have a friend who practically worships Reagan and knows just about everything there is to know about him, and this friend never mentioned anything about gun control advocacy
@Trollvahkiin, but wasn't the Brady Bill signed by Clinton?
@Uncle Nipple, oh wow it really looks like that "friend" is supposed to be me, but I honestly don't know enough to form an opinion in this situation. I'm seriously talking about a friend of mine who constantly talks about Ronald Reagan
@Trollvahkiin, That was Clinton
@Trollvahkiin, yes and no, Wayne Brady ( Reagan's press secretary) was shot during an attempt on Reagan's life hence the name of the bill. The bill itself was signed by Clinton.
@Kingair983, That was James Brady. Wayne Brady is the black guy on Whose Line is it Anyway? and the host of Let's Make a Deal.
@Sexy Homunculus, crap yes you're right, one of those door in the mouth moments. That's what I get for trying to remember names off the top of my head...
@Kingair983, foot in the mouth* dammit I hate autocorrect
@Kingair983, Wayne Brady took a bullet for Reagan? AND he has a sexy voice? AND he's Barney Stinson's homosexual brother? Damn he's awesome.
@SimonPetrikov, no I spelled the wrong name, the guy was James Brady, not Wayne.
@Kingair983, James Brady took a bullet for Reagan....Wayne Brady...Brady Wayne....Bruce Wayne...Bruce Wayne took a bullet for Reagan...HOLY CRAP BRUCE WAYNE IS BATMAN!!!
@SimonPetrikov, Bruce Wayne as Batman? That's ridiculous
@Uncle Nipple, You're right. Next thing you know, Clark Kent will be flying around in spandex and Dick Grayson will be wacking people with electric batons.
@Uncle Nipple, I had the exact thought but that's how democrats and liberals twist info. To their own gain... Pathetic!
The definition of a criminal is someone who does not follow the law, so fun laws have no affect on criminals. Personally I have a loaded 9mm in my night stand and pray I never have to use it, except at the range of course. Don't forget your only protection from a tyrannical government is your weapons.
@ToolOGT92, I LOVE FUN LAWS
Reagan, how I wish we could have you again
Good Conservative Reagan
Best president the US has ever had
I sense a new meme?
Good guy republican Reagan
As a wise man once said "guns dont kill people, people kill people"
That's called protecting the constitution.
@CynicalSir, I wonder who the pos it is who downvoted your comment
Good guy Reagan
Good guy Ronald
(Thats so raven theme song) That's so Reagan!
Anyone believe gun ownership leads to peace... Read about the old west
If guns don't kill people, and people kill people, does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toasts toast?
@Ratohnhaketon, neither; toasters toast bread.
@Ratohnhaketon, no it means people toast toast.
@TR Infiltrator, no, it means you're retarded
@cheese doodle, okay cheese doodle.
He got shot with a .22 caliber bullet. He did t even know that he was shot until a few hours later.
I really don't agree with Ronald Reagan's political views, but he was so damn adorable.
@Gooby, Because logic what?
Also went crazy in office, ballooned the deficient becoming the biggest cause for debt today, started the myth of voodoo economics
Actually, he supported a lot of gun control legislation afterwards.
Good guy Ronald.
In countries like Britain, with no guns allowed to citizens, there is almost zero gun crime - and especially no school shootings the likes we see monthly in the states. It's like asking what's the best way to prevent nuclear war - multilateral disarmament, or giving everybody (even the unstable nations) wmds. Stricter gun laws means less weapons on streets - less weapons to harm innocent people.
And please stop with this whole 'having guns to protect people with guns' sh*te. That thinking gives these criminals guns in the first place.
@Grogie108, except that crime with knives jumped in to fill the gap of gun crime... if fact it is so bad in Britain that parliament is considering banning knives...
@Countrywide, people have a better chance living from a knife wound from a gunshot, depending on the person doing the stabbing. The whole issue on guns isn't about can we have them, it's about trying to limit them so we can limit the accidental gun violence that happens. Nobody expects or wants a school shooting or a person going on a shooting spree, so how can we limit those events without taking away our rights? The truth is that there are no simple solutions that can solve it.
@Grogie108, is that a fact? Well im glad we have someone like you to figure it all out for us. Oh wait, I forgot you're wrong because even if they called for a mass give up of wmd someone who want to hurt people will still have one. Just like disarming the population will only work for those that do so and give up the guns.
@bronze512, the fact of the matter is that no gun laws would have stopped any of these shootings, they are to limit and control citizens. And did you know that less than 1 percent of gun crimes are committed with registered guns. Or that more deaths have occured from knives in the United states alone from all gun deaths combined. Or did you hear about the guy who killed 17 people in a school with a knife. You dont need a gun to cause chaos. But a gun in the hands of a trained citizen can stop a crime faster than police.
@Grogie108, you know there are reasons that the USA is not Britain anymore. That's kinda one of the reasons..
@I am an expert, That wasn't my point though, was it? It was that if (figuratively speaking) all nations disarmed, it would be a better than giving all countries nuclear bombs. Having less weapons on the streets means less gum crime. The only way to do that is stricter control. You're literally arguing against a metaphor that I used to represent the situation.
@Grogie108, do you not get what I am saying? No gun control or confiscation will get them out of the hands of bad guys. And another thing why do you think we even have wmd ? To keep people from useing there wmd on us. Im willing to bet if the united states gave up there rights to own guns that with in a week gun crime would sky rocket and there would be total chaos.
@Uncle Nipple, Well, the British certainly have less gun crime - so their stance has been quite a decent one for the past three hundred years.
@I am an expert, Not asking for total wiping out of weapons. Asking for stricter gun control. Renewing of licences across the board, mentality tests for those buying new ones. It might not mean less guns, but it would mean they'd be in safer hands. And with this whole WMD thing, I was using it as a metaphor. I know what the purpose of having them is, and I know why countries don't unilaterally disarm. I was just making a point that no nukes means no war, and less guns mean less gun crime.
@Grogie108, but how csn you know that. If a criminal sees a sighn that there are armed guard on a store do you thibk they are going to rob it or go to one where no guns are allowed. What do you see everytime you go into a offical building or school? That no guns allowed sighn. Wher does most of the known gun violence happen? At schools abd offical buildings. If we had an armed teacher in (insert school name) we would have had less people die
@I am an expert, So know you're suggesting guns be present in a room full of children. Christ.
@Uncle Nipple, No man needs to own a gun - any weapon for that matter. And I said that I wanted stricter control, not suddenly change.
@Grogie108, you also understand that we're comparing apples to oranges here. If the US were to suddenly take a stance identical to Britain's, the results would be different. Different groups of people need to be handled different ways. In this case, US citizens need to own guns because of the way it's society has evolved.
@Grogie108, yes, registered guns where people know how to handle them properly and the children see them as a sign of protection. It's a far better alternative to having the guns appear by surprise and bring relentless death and violence because no one with a gun is around to stop the assailant.
@Uncle Nipple, Yes, even better! Make kids see guns as friends, because none of them should learn of the horrors they can cause! But, seriously, what if one child gets a hold of this gun? It's unthinkable.
@Grogie108, I know what you said. Mine was a comparison to point out that the US and Britain can't be compared in such a manner as your original comment. Just like your WMD simile wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Guns are already a major part of our society and economy. Extra regulation would cause problems because of that. We as a nation can never achieve peace through the elimination of guns that Britain has because guns already exist, and it's a violation of our Constitution to take any of our weapon freedom away.
@bronze512, Guns can SOLVE School shootings...... Allow teachers to carry weapons and hire some armed guards
@Grogie108, YES make kids see guns as friends and grow up learning to respect their dangers and learning how to use them properly. Not only does it discourage crime, but it also reduces accidents because people know how to handle and respect a weapon. That's how I grew up in a rural area, and I wish everyone had such a privilege
@Grogie108, and definitely teach them of the horrors guns can cause so that they learn respect for the weapon
@Grogie108, I sure am. How many people going to kill the students are going to do so if they know that there is someone there to stip them?
@Grogie108, way to go finding a good alternate so where would wepons definition start and end? Because anything in the right hands is a wepon. Hell hands are a wepon.
@Grogie108, ooorrr they see them as tools and not toys god you must have had an interesting childhood
@Grogie108, they wouldent. They would be in a safe or something in there desk except when they are on there side.
@Grogie108, the us should have strict control on tvs because they kill (by falling in them) as many kids as guns do!!! It's common sense that we make strict tv
@Sceptic cat, I'm going to stop replying in this thread because I'm being downvoted because of my opinion, not because of the quality of my argument. There's no point in doing so if that happens. All I'm saying is I want stricter gun laws, and I respect yours even though I disagree.
@Grogie108, fair enough. You shouldn't leave though cuz you're being down voted because what does that count for: your opinion should still be voiced...
@Grogie108, you're being downvoted not because of your opinion but rather the lack of quality in your argument. You present no facts or correlations from facts instead relying on emotions to drive your argument. You say less guns mean less shootings but thats not a fact. The United states has the highest level of gun ownership and we have less gun shootings than 90 percent of the world. More shootings occur in countries such as Egypt than the United states.
@Countrywide, I was basing my arguments on common sense - that Britain has less gun crime due to less guns. And if you look upwards, you'll see that I'm downvoted merely for stating that I would like more gun control to be implemented in the states - simply my opinion. And the same is happening to others in the section - like bronze 512, and aperture employee at the very start.
@Sceptic cat, I see what you mean, but we need to get the funny back on track here anyway. Seems like all this has darkened down the place.
@Grogie108, yes obviously in a place with no guns there is less shootings but they have more deaths than when they had guns due to knifes. You would simply be disarming law abiding citizens. In fact have you ever looked at facts on guns and the number of deaths total in the United states compared to England's knife deaths. You use a very simple correlation that doesn't explain the intricacies of actual data.
@Grogie108, hate to break this too you, but when the Britain firearm ban went into effect in the mid 1990's crimes committed with firearms went up over 400%...
@Grogie108, sorry 500%, not 400%. And deaths related to firearms went up by about 102%. Police are now also authorized to carry sub-machine guns in some parts of the UK, but this hasn't helped much at all because by the time they can respond, the act has already been committed. You aren't being down voted for your opinion, but for your ignorance (lack of knowledge in this area).
@Jinrocker, Mate, it's still less (in the ratio of population) than the states. And being downvoted for my ignorance? Look up, where I've said that this had darkened funny pics a bit. Downvoted. Look at aperture employee at the top. Downvoted. We've gave our opinions on the matter, and because they're not with the majority, they're downvoted. Even look to the latest esquire article on the subject. An ex marine wrote it in a bid to encourage stricter gun laws. What did he get in return? Death threats. So don't even dare blame it on my ignorance, for when a pro-gun comment gets 92 likes, we all know how this debate will end.
@Jinrocker, And since you want facts, in 2009, the UK recorded 34 deaths via firearms. In the states, 9960 and above. I'm not coming back to this thread anymore, have a nice day.
@Grogie108, did you know that if you remove Chicago, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. murders from the list, the us would actually have the lowest murder to population ratio worldwide?
@Grogie108, since you're giving stats, how much has the violent crime risen in the UK in the last decade? also, gun crime as a general rule has ALWAYS been lower in the UK... Even well before any of their gun bans. Let's not forget to factor how many of those gun deaths here are a result of gang on gang violence, and self defense homicides. If the UK is such a safe haven, why are your Bobbies still wearing body armor? Nobody has guns right?
@Grogie108, yes, there is less gun crime in britain, but overall crime is one of the highest in the world. In switzerland every citizen has been trained with and owns ab assult rifle. Lowest crime rate in the world... which one works again?
@Grogie108, are you literally this stupid? "No man needs to own a gun" guess why you are free. Because my great great grandpa had a gun and died killing british troops. In Israel every teach is armed and trained to use an ak47 and they have never had a school shooting that killed more than a few people. Kids being immune to guns is bad I agree. So teach them how to use them and gun safety. A 15 year ild in oregon defended his home with his dads AR15 while the kid was home alone because he knew how to use it. I'm 16 and I know how to use a gun and don't kill people.
@Grogie108, I'm sorry if I came off harsh, I'm assuming you grew up fearing guns? A lot of people do which is why when I was young every night my dad would make me hold his pistol and teach me what it could do so that I know what I'm doing before pulling the trigger, I fear guns in a good way, people who fear guns in a bad way just didn't grow up the same way and don't know what's up when it comes to guns and that is just a fact
@bronze512, are you considered clinically retarded?
@Grogie108, you have no right to tell me or anyone what to do. Piss off and go back to your sheep life
It makes me sad to see how many conservatives are on this app. I live in California, and I know about 4 conservative people. #liberal4 life
@Camal Rapist, you, you're the problem #conservative4life
@natedog2013, i believe in peace before war and rights for everyone.
@Camal Rapist, not a Conservative here, but I sure prefer them over Progressive Liberals any day.
@Camal Rapist, why would it make you sad to see people, like me, on this app? I really hope you're not one of the people who believes I only get an opinion if it lines up with yours
@Camal Rapist, what's money got to do with it?
@Trust Me, I believe in justice and equal rights for all citizens. I believe that those with more money should help the poor. I respect your opinion, yet I hate your ideals.
@Trust Me, I don't hate conservatives, I hate what they do. Conservatives believe that their money is all theirs, and refuse to help those in need by paying higher taxes, when they can afford it easily.
@Camal Rapist, oh my God are you really that naive. You've just spouted ver badum everything the liberal media has told you to say. You believe in equality for everyone, but that doesn't mean the government should require redistribution of wealth. And the majority of conservatives I know freely give to the poor more than any liberals that ask the government to do it. Conservatives believe in charity, not having their money stolen by the government and distributed.
@Camal Rapist, the moneh people make is theirs, and they may do with it what they please, most poor people in america are just lazy. Conservatives believe in peace too, but you also have to remember you have rights. I respect all peoples opinions, and hope this clarifies what conservatives are.
I'd like to be able to look this this up later, so don't downvote me to oblivion please :D #reaganftw
There's a cool documentary called Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore. We saw it in PSHCE last week. It's pretty good. I recommend you guys to watch it.
@gaiaphage, I don't know you're political standpoint, but Michael Moore is a huge gun control advocate
"I don't know what the Brady act is"