Last month I was at a con cosplaying as Prof. Oak and I brought a dry erase signboard with me that said "Are you a boy or a girl?" One of the con workers saw it and said I couldn't do that because it was asking a question and thus could be considered soliciting, but then also added "that might offend someone". I was able to mostly keep the sign intact by erasing the question mark so it wasn't technically asking a question, but to honestly think someone might get offended by something like that is just fücking ridiculous
@Sexy Homunculus, welcome to 2019...
@Sexy Homunculus, where have u been for the last year or so that’s like the most offensive thing u could possibly ask
@Sexy Homunculus, Next time tell them its not really asking a question. Tell them its a live action meme.
Or just tell them you are offended by their assuming its anything more than a costume.
Tell then you are offended by their insulting that game.
What kind of place has a rule of no writing as part of a costume?
@Sexy Homunculus, went to a con as adult supervisor, definitely nothing else, and I was honestly surprised that they had stickers for "him, her" and "non-binary". At first, I was honestly like "oh cool, that's a very inclusive thing to do."
Then i thought of the many furries we saw, the frankly disturbing genderbend cosplays, and how triggered people get over this. And I realized that through no fault of their own, I would not like to talk to anyone with the "non-binary" sticker. Even if they truly respected the term, too many are abusing it.
*slot machine jackpot sounds mixed in with the yoga grinch screaming*
@salty joe, accurate.
They is a dumb bitch.*
*Sorry, I know that is incorrect grammar. I just dont want to get sued.
@CynicalSirr, these days that not even close to the dumbest thing u could say
But "they" is not grammatically correct for 1 person. "It" would be more appropriate. Stop making English teachers twitch!
@bowlnmike, sure it is. Ignoring the whole gender thing, singular they dates back to the fourteenth century. A quick Google shows it was in common use for five hundred years before some snob decided they didn't like it. See, I just used a singular they in the previous sentence and it sounds absolutely fine because it is. It's one of those things where only the real know-it-all nitpickers care about. An English teacher who tells you it's wrong is not a great English teacher
@bowlnmike, I absolutely hate the pronoun debate, it’s full of hypocrisy and is ridiculous “omg I got your pronoun wrong, I must have meant to offend you” thin skinned grammar police, not every slip up is a blatant attack
@Hoopscallion, saying out dated linguistic practices can be seamlessly incorporated back into society is far fetched. And by the same logic we can all start using offensive slurs in their original context and are guaranteed to not offend anyone as it was common place centuries ago...
@Natural Sarcasm , I don't even know what "genderqueer" means
@Natural Sarcasm , it was never outdated. I was pointing out that it's not a new thing to use singular they and to act like it is is specious.
A coworker today came up to me and they started talking about their cat and i just wanted them to shut up and leave me alone but they wouldn't stop talking.
I just used all three forms of they singularly and no one would bat an eye at that sentence. I'm ignoring the gender part of it completely. They claimed it was poor grammar, which just shows they know nothing about grammar
@Hoopscallion, fine I’ll give you that. I suppose my main issue with the pronoun debate is that each person wants to be conversed with in specific ways. The more people in your life the more effort it takes just to express simple thoughts and god forbid you mess up or like the post says you’ll get sued for loads of money cause you’re now an offensive bigot
@Hoopscallion, and I suppose I should thank you for follow up with a comment instead of just downvoting. Most would just hit the thumbs down and contribute nothing
@bowlnmike, doesn’t matter we’ve entered the age of life doesn’t make sense anymore
@Natural Sarcasm , The thing is, there’s usually a lot more going on in these stories than just what the headline (which already got it wrong) would lead you to assume. Odds are, this is from some kind of conservative publication that intentionally fvcked it up. In cases like this, to my understanding, there has to be evidence of intentional and malicious misappropriation of one’s identity. Not just blundering and saying “she...I mean they, sorry”. The waters really aren’t as hard to navigate as some would lead you to believe.
@Berntley, but is it really right to get compensation for it. I get that it’s annoying but deff not worth 60k. My co workers could call me bjtch, fvcker and every name in the book but I wouldn’t see I dime for it. ( despite being a hostile work environment) yet if they misidentify my gender or pronoun I now have the grounds to sue? Maybe there is more to the story but it still just sounds like someone claiming words are weaponized in a country protected by free speech
@Natural Sarcasm , I honestly don’t believe in exorbitant compensation for a lot of the shît people sue for. I looked into it a bit, and it turns out they were a teacher, and had filed a complaint with the school about other staff refusing to recognize and address them correctly, and the school denied it being an issue, and also instructed them on not discussing their status with students, even when asked (a different issue entirely, in my opinion, but should be a blanket policy implementation). So the teacher decided to sue the school, since they refused to act.
@Berntley, fair enough. Personally I think if the biggest issue you face in life is that people misidentify your pronoun or gender, then you have a pretty blessed life. I think the school was right overall simply because they have bigger issues to deal (or not deal with) such as bullying (for students) and raising academic standards for both teachers and students. But that’s just me
@Natural Sarcasm , I don’t like to put it this way, but it’s possible that you’re speaking from a place of privilege, to say there are bigger issues to deal with, especially if you think it’s entirely separate from bullying. And I don’t mean to be condescending when I say that, just that maybe you haven’t experienced the kind of perspective that would help to understand this viewpoint. Turn it into an issue of race, and I bet you’d find it to be a much more reasonable conversation. And while it’s a different history, the marginalization has been much the same. People have been similarly murdered and ostracized over their sexual orientation and gender identity. Hell, I was flat out suicidal in sixth grade because I was so harshly bullied and tormented just because my mom was a lesbian. And maybe this isn’t about a student, but normalization can occur at any level, and this could have been a great example for the school to set that could have helped mitigate bullying amongst the students
@Berntley, while I do appreciate (with absolute sincerity) you’re willingness to debate ( cause let’s be real these usually turn into one ups and bs lol) maybe it’s a place of privilege or just as likely maybe I’m just being pragmatic and I pride myself on looking at the bigger picture. I too have had to deal with suicide as that’s how my father decided to end his life, I grew up fatherless and angry at the world so I understand these thoughts. However I’m not bolstered by my unfortunate circumstances, they don’t dictate who I am. I was also a victim of bullying, however I stood my ground and came out on top. But once again these only describe me. But I do not agree that teachers with thin skin can file a lawsuit (which on a separate note education is government funded therefore they took 60k of tax payer money) over hurt feelings
@Natural Sarcasm , I hear you, and I don’t intend to let this descend into some kind of spiraling spitfest, either. Your approach is respectful, I hope mine conveys that as well. I, too, had a father who killed himself (my brother’s father, but the only one who cared to involve himself, to a certain point), and I had a lot of issues relating to abandonment and isolation, but that honestly wasn’t so hard to carry on from. I’m merely trying to convey that it really is a different kind of cut when it comes to marginalized groups. No matter what I did, including changing schools, there was nothing I could do about how people saw me, because it had nothing to do with me or anything I did, and it wasn’t something I was ashamed of, so I was attacked for it. And honestly, I still feel like I handled it better than most, but I still wanted to die sometimes. The big picture is all well and good, but yeah, I like to focus on the little details because that’s where I see the value for change lies.
@Natural Sarcasm , It is shîtty that the money was ultimately paid by taxpayers, but if someone was discriminated by the police or in a government job and sued, I wouldn’t blame them for that. Again, I consider most exorbitant settlements to be kinda bullshît, so this isn’t really any different. But as much as it’s a part of our world today, I see it as no different as the other scenarios, and really, $60k ain’t even that much. Again, turn it into a race matter. Would you see it differently then?
@Berntley, you are coming off very respectful as well (though I think you knew that lol) and yes you’re absolutely right sometimes it takes looking at the fine details to really grasp the situation. However I think today’s society is so focused on those tiny details that we forget to look at the big picture. Yes it sucked what happened to you but is it better today then it was before? Honestly I’d say it is, taking out the fact that kids are dicks this world is much more understanding then it was even ten years ago. Yet we look at “marginalized groups” and more and more groups to this making everyone a victim. It gets to point where if everyone is a victim then no one is... and I’d hate to see it go that far
@Natural Sarcasm , I don’t think kids are really dicks right off the bat. I think it really is a learned thing, and there’s a lot of kids out there who are still taught to denigrate one another based on stupid shît, often passed down by the parents or family. And when we have parents out there who will feverishly, tearfully protest things like LGBTQ language simply being added to school bullying policies alongside racism and other similar categories, it just tells me that we haven’t done enough. Has it gotten better? I really think so, but maybe that’s just the circles I surround myself with. I guess I’ll know more when my kids get to school. I don’t see it as allowing everyone to become victims, but understanding that everyone is coming from a certain perspective, and we should try to meet them where they are, and understand the effects we have on each other. But it’s harder for those of us who are thicker skinned to do that. You insult me now, and nothing touches me, but that doesn’t
@Natural Sarcasm , I think that everyone else needs to learn to just put up with it or get over it. We have to come together as a society and get past this idea of “oh, I’ve got free speech so I’m gonna call everyone a f*ggot, and nobody better tell me I shouldn’t cuz that’s infringing on my rights!” And people defend that as some kind of chaotic good or some shît, and no I think I’m just ranting, so let’s just call it good there, haha.
@Berntley, haha okay just my final point only on free speech. I believe either it’s all okay or nothing. Do I want people going around saying horrible things? Or course not. However the idea of free speech was founded on saying things that weren’t meant to be said like the kings unfair policies on the colonies. So to say that censorship has a line, it’s only a matter of time before that line is pushed too far and history repeats itself. In my opinion people are jerks for the most part, best to learn to live with them. Only more heartache will come from trying to control them
@Natural Sarcasm , I agree. I’m opposed to censorship, but I don’t believe that allows for protection from consequences. But of course, those aren’t clear waters, themselves. And would require a whole different conversation that perhaps we’ll find ourselves having someday. As for now, it’s been a pleasure.
@bowlnmike, singular they is correct usage when the gender is unknown. Since that's, a female, then it would be incorrect, since 'she' is the obvious choice. You cannot identify as they. You can only use that to refer to someone until you know their gender/sex. Personally, I just use 'he', and get corrected to she as needed.
@Hoopscallion, it only works that way when you are referring to the person as the subject of the preceding clause/sentence. If you try to insert ‘they’ into the sentence in the picture it makes no sense: are you referring to the collective colleagues or the thing person?
Guess she's getting another 60k
@JewishXenu, shjt, you just did it again.
I’d say this is getting ridiculous but it’s been ridiculous for a long time now just like ppl r running out of pronouns to use I’m running outta words to describe how fjalitns this is getting (yea I just made up that word cause y not everybody else seems to be doing it these days)
Well my job doesn't pay much so maybe I should make up some bullshít like this and see if I can get rich that way
@MrGrey89, that’s the new American dream to get rich by being professionally offended
Retraction edit: "...after they don't call they, 'they.'"