Kids have always been dumb
I partly uploaded this to illustrate a point I wanted to argue. Regarless of your real beliefs on the recent gun control issues arising after the shooting in florida, i see many people try to discredit the survivors and their complaints and grievances by saying things like "Weren't these kids just eating tide pods a few weeks ago?" Don't discredit the voices of many just because of the ignorance of a few.
@Fight Club, you could say the same thing about all the crying for new gun laws. Why make thing's more difficult for the many over the ignorance of the few people that have done mass shootings
@Fight Club, same for the gun control advocates who, mere hours after the massacre, started blaming guns and the NRA and pushing for even more gun laws. These people are standing on the graves of these children to push their agenda
@Fight Club, they also ignore and discredit the survivors that aren’t following the gun control narrative to make it seem like they all want the same thing
@Teamevolution2, I mean don't get me wrong, I love guns. But we have to admit there's a problem. You're essentially saying just because people are dying in schools in theaters, etc etc, that they are the few so why worry about them? When Australia had one large mass shooting it's government said "no more guns!" And the people essentially replied, "yeah ok That's fair."
@Youtuber, there is a problem and it's not with guns and I'm definitely not saying we don't need to worry about the ones that died. Any loss of life sucks especially in that manner. My thing is creating more laws will solve nothing. People will still get guns and murder. No law will stop that
@Youtuber, you know who else had no more guns for the General public? Nazi Germany. Even if gun control became a thing, you really think the mass shooters out there would obey the gun laws? Guns aren't the problem. It's the people who use them in that manner that are.
@Teamevolution2, What do you think about just banning assault rifles to limit the capability to take life? Of course there are pistols but clip size is the big difference. Keep weapons used for hunting and self-protection I.e side-arms. Also, you can do a lot of sport and recreational shooting with side-arms.
@The Pun Shielder, Nazi Germany, China under Mao , Russia under stallin, all great places to live right? *sarcasm*
@Youtuber, because making drugs illegal has stopped everyone from doing drugs. Because making the drinking age 21 (in America) has stopped all underage drinking. Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean it's going to stop someone who wants to do that thing. The thing is, there are actual strict laws in place for gun ownership. The Florida shooting, that was the government failing on every level. That guy should have never been allowed to buy a gun, but the police and FBI both dropped the ball and failed to do their job correctly. So no, more laws won't change anything if the people who enforce those laws do nothing.
@The Pun Shielder, Yeah, you should probably Google the 1938 German Weapons Act. The murdering f**ktard completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, and the possession of ammunition. He lowered the legal age at which guns could be purchased from 20 to 18 and made it that holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions.
Hitler heavily deregulated guns for most people. It was ‘subjugated races’ he wanted kept disarmed, not the majority of the German population.
Not relating it to gun law in the US or anything, just correcting you on an historical fact.
@Teamevolution2, i think that it’s flawed to assume something you don’t know. The truth is no one knows if stricter guns will affect anything, but doing nothing certainly won’t change anything. If the only possible solutions are: restructure gun control and ownership, or do nothing, then obviously trying something new is better. If you have a better solution, then voice your ideas because this is a problem that needs action now.
@Jonnasty, just because you can make a choice between doing something and doing nothing doesn’t mean “obviously” doing something is a better option
@Youtuber, yes, we have a problem. Its with the people though, the gun laws are stricter than many years ago, yet back then there were no such problems. Our problem is we have a bunch of douchbags thinking its cool to kill people.
@Richard Cypher, I guess that’s true. My point was more that regardless of what changes, something needs to change in this given situation. And to be more specific, saying “it’s not the guns” is not a solution. The solution might not be “gun control” but that’s closer to a real solution than doing nothing
This is just me trying to explain my point, I’m not arguing for or against any policy or change. Just saying what I think, feel free to disagree, I ( most likely ) won’t argue haha
@Whale4Sale, assault rifles are already banned, so you are talking a law that is already in place. Also nobody has used an assault rifle in any of the mass shootings. I could do a lot of damage with 2 pistols and extended mags
@Jonnasty, my thought is not flawed. A new law will change nothing. Speeding, underage drinking and smoking, drugs, theft, rape, murder, prostitution, drinking and driving are just a few things that happen every day and there are laws against them. I have never met a criminal that follows the law. What law could you create that would keep me from selling a gun to someone?
@Teamevolution2, so you think that all of those things would have the same prevalence of society if there were no laws/ enforcements in place to prevent them? Yes or no. Because I think that those things happen at lower rates because of laws. Whatever your answer is, I’m going to accept it as your opinion and I’m not arguing because In all honesty, your opinion doesn’t matter. My opinion doesn’t matter. None of this is worth an argument at this level
@Whale4Sale, assault rifles are already banned
@Jonnasty, to a degree yes I do. Let's be real. Drunk drivers kill far more people than guns in a year. I agree it's not worth arguing but you can't honestly tell me more laws will fix this. Again what law could you create that would keep me from selling a gun to anybody?
@Teamevolution2, that’s true. I guess that what I would like to see, as a gun owner, is just a more stable way to buy and sell guns. And more of a screening process for purchase from stores. It’s not perfect, but that’s what I would like to see. Ya know? Something like a title transfer when guns are bought second-hand, that will stop sellers from accidently selling to these crazy people maybe. I don’t really know... anyway I appreciate this dialogue
@Jonnasty, that's honestly a decent idea. You would still have some slip through the cracks and not actually do the title transfer but that's with anything. Plus the gangs that buy on the black market but you are into something. I completely agree that when purchasing from a store the screening process should be better.
@Youtuber, And it worked. Crazy.
@Teamevolution2, most people I know wouldn’t bother with a title transfer. Most likely because it would also be taxed more for it and pretty much breathing is the only thing not taxed anymore and you would have to take off from work to go to some license office(or police station since you probably can’t bring your gun into the dmv). And at that point they will most likely take finger prints and all your personal info entered into their database to track gun owners and it would be way more of a pain than just selling a gun to your buddy.
@Richard Cypher, I agree with you. There is no correct answer honestly I was just saying what he said was better than some idiot just screaming we need new laws and ban guns. I know I wouldn't go through the headache of all that to buy a gun from a friend
@Teamevolution2, thank you, I really appreciate that, and I appreciate your insight.
@Jonnasty, been a pleasure having a discussion without being called stupid names. Have a wonderful day
@Richard Cypher, I have a question and you seem to know this stuff, so I’ll ask you if you don’t mind. We’re told that background checks are done when people buy guns (not American, so zero first hand experience of this part), but that in many places there’s no waiting period - suggesting you can walk out on the spot with it. If that’s right, how do they actually do any checks? Or have I misunderstood part of the process? 🤔
@Nellybert , federal background checks for firearm purchases are conducted on the spot at time of pick up or purchase. Sometimes, depending on the way the seller does it, it can take anywhere from an hour up to 3 Days. Some people compare them to pre employment background checks but that is inaccurate. Pre employment looks for criminal history as well as education history, previous employment history, and IRS tax info. Gun purchasing only requires criminal history check which can be done very quickly(individual people can do it on anyone from home online for a fee). The delays can come in if there are issues finding all the data(I.e. someone has moved a lot or has changed name at some point) but the more significant problems arise when an agency doesn’t report an issue, like the military not reporting the domestic abuse charge for Devin Kelley to the national crime database allowing him to get a gun illegally. Sometimes dealers will put their own waiting period just to be safe
@Richard Cypher, Ah, Ok. So there’s (sorry if I’m oversimplifying this) a computer database and the shop owner basically puts in the buyer’s name/DOB/Social Security number etc and if someone has put in a red flag (as you say, problem comes if people don’t put that stuff in the system) against them, it tells them not to sell the gun? So ‘no waiting period’ actually means ‘you can have it once the legal checks have been done’?
@Nellybert , precisely. NCIC, National Crime Information Center, is the database that compiles all the criminal history of anyone that any agency can look into. And yes their is no federal waiting period because the requirement is to have a government issued ID and pass a background check and once you get cleared through that(however long that takes) you are good to go
@Richard Cypher, That makes sense. On TV they tend to skip over that part of the process, so I didn’t know how it worked. Thanks for explaining.
@Nellybert , no problem
@Whale4Sale, there is no such thing as an “assault rifle”, are you referring to fully automatics? It is extremely difficult to buy a full auto weapon anywhere, even in the states. It’s the act of assault that makes a weapon an assault rifle. Just like if I hit someone with a golf club it becomes an assault nine iron. If you want to make the argument that the AR15 is an assault rifle and needs to be banned take a look at the ruger mini 38 it’s the same rifle the only difference is one is wood and pretty and the AR15 is scary looking.
People used to bathe in DDT. Also, they used to take ‘radiation baths’ as a health fad.
Stupidity has been passed down for generations!
@megamanx181x, stupidity has always existed; the internet just exists now to network us all directly into the front page of stupid.
Tide Pods are worse.
@CynicalSir, I agree. Fish may be a choking hazard. But they aren’t poisonous.
Gun control doesn’t stop criminals
Why are people stopping others from eating tide pods? It’s just natural selection
I've had so many adults tell me about stupid stuff they did as kids, including (but not limited to) several different adults having friends who shot one of their balls off with bb guns because they put them in their waist band, a few who unpacked fireworks (thus getting gunpowder everywhere) and then lighting the gunpowder and subsequently losing the hair on their arms for a while, and strapping those muscle stimulators (with the electric pulses) to their crotches and turning them up to full power.....and these are from multiple unrelated people with similar stories.... people have always been idiots