Too bad, J.G. Wentworth told me it's my money and I need it NOW
@ptitty1231, what’s that number again?
And that’s socialism in a nutshell, folks
@RepostSniper, he flies first class or private jets while telling us how evil we are for global warming. So more like socialism for us and capitalism for him.
@Marie Celeste, that’s all socialism, everywhere. Ruling class gets theirs and fûck everyone else.
@big freedom, oh I know. My grandfather's family was literally erased from history because of it.
@RepostSniper, but hey, "free" college
@Steve the cat, apparently free means we're just forced to pay for it instead of having the choice to pay for it.
@ Seductive Cheeto, right, it’s naive to think that education can magically be free. It will come out of your pocket one way or another. I’m all for reduced tuition costs but free is a bit insane
@Marie Celeste, not quite, even in socialism there is an elite ruling class immune to the rules. That’s what they want here
@Marie Celeste, more rules for thee, but not for me
@big freedom, isn't that also how capitalism works. Now i think about it that a pretty much every government
@Marie Celeste, do you think a system changes over night? also you realize that society is pretty socialist right now with heavy capitalism.
@wolfman69, why do people on this app ask me if I believe things I obviously don't?
@AussiePatrick, capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system ever. Socialism is pure government control and has killed more and enslaved more and impoverished more than any other system ever.
@big freedom, sure but just because you arent working in the coal mine for a dollar a day doesnt mean your society cant do better. you do realize that buy car insurance is a socialized idea, the roads you drive, tax write off, business getting tax incentives and breaks those are all socialized ideas from socialis
m. yes authoritarian socialism is pretty dumb not giving people an incentive to earn more is pretty f stupid but not
@Marie Celeste, because your statements are insane. of course they fly first class and have luxuries he actually earn those things and you are expecting him to live in a box and walk across country.
@wolfman69, lol insane. Don't preach to people about flying and it causing damage and then do it yourself.
@Marie Celeste, lol okay boomer
@wolfman69, I'm a millennial and also no one relevant uses that lame ass comment anymore. Thanks for being more evidence that this app and community have gone down the toilet.
@wolfman69, that’s not what socialism is. Those are services that we have contracted through the government.
In our case, the government takes a percentage of our income, gives half of that to their cronies, then very inefficiently spends the other half on services.
@wolfman69, lol, yeah he earned those luxuries... through capitalism. America and capitalism are so fvcking great, that even a filthy hypocrite communist can live the high life by convincing millions of useful idiots like yourself to throw their money at him by telling them that being rich is bad. It took him 78 years, but I have to admit that Bernie Sanders is a master of the long con. Congratulations on being farmed
@RepostSniper, where has Bernie Sanders ever said that it is wrong to have money? he has said that it is wrong for billionaires to exist which I completely agree with. no one in the history of the world has ever worked or done enough for humanity to earn a billion dollars.
@wolfman69, you’re wrong. creating a company and assuming the risk involved with that and building it up to employ hundreds of thousands of people who are now able to provide their families with not only with food, clothing, and shelter, but with the highest standard of living in history: that’s worth billions of dollars. Hell, to those people whose kids have everything they need and want thanks to their job a billionaire’s company, it’s worth more than money can measure
@RepostSniper, nope not even that is worth a billion dollars. I dont think you understand how much a billion dollars is and are therefore unable to fully grasp the value of how much work one would have to perform to earn that billion dollars not to mention most large companies do not run with the advice or work of one person.
@wolfman69, says who??? Who tf are you to decide what the value of a million families with roofs over their heads, food in their fridges, shirts on their back, and a plethora of consumer wants is?
I don’t think you understand that there isn’t a limited amount of money in the market and are therefore unable to understand the fact that one person having a billion dollars has absolutely no negative impact on anyone else. In fact, it’s the exact opposite because they invest in companies that provide jobs, products, and services to millions of people, which improves the quality of life for every person from richest to poorest. When the government puts a limit on how much an individual is allowed to earn, there is no incentive to do incredible things like start a billion dollar company that employs hundreds of thousands of people, and everybody from richest to poorest suffers. Every. Single. Time.
@RepostSniper, okay bud if that's what you believe.
@Marie Celeste, you cannot blame someone for participating in the system to change it when there is virtually no other choice. Currently we live in corporate socialist country. The amount of handouts given to large corporations dwarfs any amounts given to social services.
@RepostSniper, if there is unlimited money, by definition, there is infinite inflation and basically no intrinsic value. While the potential for there to be more money is evident as the fed keeps printing money all they are doing is prolonging the inevitable.
@big freedom, i would agree with you except is more of a 90/10 situation. A society needs socialism if we are to exist peacefully. Imagine if everything was private, roads, bridges, military, farmers. We would be in deep shat
@Implicit88, money is the value of products, labor, supply, and demand in the market, not the number of dollars, and there is virtually unlimited potentially for all of the former. When a government prints more currency, the value of individual dollar decreases respectively, and the amount of money in the market remains the same. When a company grows, employs more people, and sells more products, value is added to the market and the amount of money increases. Please don’t be ignorant.
@RepostSniper, do you figure the assembly line worker at Tesla does more or less work then Elon musk? also do you think the wear house worker has done more or less work for Amazon as a whole then Jeff Bezos
@wolfman69, I think Musk’s and Bezos’ intellectual property, the assumption of risk that they hold in their companies, and the fact that they employ millions of workers is more valuable than the work of an individual employee. It’s not about who works harder, it’s about who has a greater impact.
Also, thanks to the free market, every single one of those employees has the opportunity to come up with his or her own big idea, start a company and make billions of dollars too. The only thing holding them back is them
@wolfman69, by your logic, people who dig ditches should be millionaires because they work really hard. Meanwhile, nurses should make more money than doctors because they do most of the actual work at the hospital. You know that’s stupid because doctors make a huge investment in their education and bring a lot of value to the hospitals they work at by being able to do higher level stuff that nurses can’t, and therefore they get paid way more. It’s the same concept for CEOs and the like.
@RepostSniper, nope because education is also work, but yes those occupations should absolutely be paid better and deserve a good solid wage. plus that wasnt my logic it was yours you claimed they worked really really hard for that money
@RepostSniper, also do you honestly believe that you are closer to a billionaire status then the lower class?
@RepostSniper, also do you think if he capped wealth at 25 million a year that all of those "job creators are just going to up and quit making jobs? are you serious if I had an idea that was going to make me 25 million a year and employe people who will buy my idea that is 25 million more then k have now there is literally no repercussions
@wolfman69, nope, education is a service provided by educators and consumed by students. An investment, if you will. If education was work, then teachers should be paying their students. That’s not to say that getting a PHD isn’t difficult; it’s hard work, but it’s not “work” as far as labor that adds value to the market.
My standing between the lower class and billionaire status is irrelevant to this conversation. What is relevant is the fact that thanks to the free market, I can either stagnate, not work, and not improve myself in which case I’ll join the lower class, or I can come up with a novel idea for a product or service that is in high demand, take risks in starting a company and making investments, employ other people, and then reap the rewards for my success of suffer the consequences of my failure, and the ultimate determining factor is me and my choices.
@wolfman69, and yes, I absolutely believe that capping wealth would disincentivize business leaders, and that’s not my opinion, that’s a fact that occurs every single day. I doesn’t even take a hard cap on wealth; all it takes is for the taxes in one country to go up slightly and businesses immediately start off shoring. If you capped wealth at $25mil a year, every large business in the country would off shore over night, and you’d never see economic growth here again.
@RepostSniper, wow...wow..that's just dumb. its work but it doesnt add value to the market? really so if you have too few doctors what happens to the cost associated with healthcare? it goes up because doctors can demand super high wages since they are in super high demand. on the floor if you have a massive amount of doctors you can actually have a negative and positive influence it can drive down doctors wages and increase availability but maybe casue doctors to take non doctor work because there arent jobs available to them and could casue unrestful workers. like this isnt black and white.
also it does matter if you are never going to be a billionaire why the hell does it matter if we limit wealth?
@RepostSniper, also do you think the majority of people will be at the minimum wage or the maximum wage?
@wolfman69, yes... if I earn a PHD and then never work at a hospital in my life, is there any value added to anyone else’s life? Being a doctor doesn’t add value to the market, healing people does. It’s that simple. I’m tired of playing 20 questions with you because you refuse to take any of my responses under serious consideration. I obviously can’t convince you of anything, and you sure as shït aren’t changing my mind, so this is the part where I tell you to kick rocks, you reply with whatever snarky parting shot you can come up with, and then we both go about our happy lives
@RepostSniper, that's because your response are dumb lol you need to be a doctor to heal people so going to school to become a doctor of course adds value and is considered work.
@RepostSniper, because you can't become a doctor without the work and the same tends to be true with most jobs
@RepostSniper, the only way money is created is through monetary policy. That would be printing money physically or creating money electronically. Goods and services only add value to a dollar if everyone agrees that money has worth. If you have unlimited money inflation would also be unlimited. Its a simple math equation. I must also note that simply because the govt prints money doesn’t mean inflation happens instantly. It takes time. If 90% of the printed money goes to the top it will never enter the economy and just sit there.
@wolfman69, my favorite thing is for someone like you to “decide” what other people should and should not have. Never has there ever been a better description for socialism.
@Implicit88, money is just the agreed upon value we give to something. Value and wealth is created constantly without printing more currency.
@big freedom, forgive me so you like my description?
@wolfman69, ummm, no. You are the description.
@big freedom, wealth can somewhat be created by a change in the intrinsic value but not to any extent that can matter. For example giving 1 dollar to a poor person yields a higher value than a rich person. The same dollar will have a bigger intrinsic value to one person than to another. Also at any point in time money is finite.
@Implicit88, wealth can absolutely be created (not somewhat) by a change in inferred value. Labor can be exchanged for currency and there is an infinite amount of labor. Again, “money” is just the physical currency we have agreed upon. We can barter with whatever we choose and that is not at all finite.
Don’t conflate “money” with “currency” or “wealth”. All 3 can be separate.
this is really not that far off
Bernie on November 3rd.
@Throttlesky, nah I prefer to keep most of my money
@officercoolguy, I honestly wouldn't mind 4 years of Bernie because it would be 4 years of a stagnant government. He'll get nothing passed. During that time we can find someone who will be actually beneficial. Hopefully there will be an enlightenment of hiring experts and not blindly devoting ourselves to parties.
@Marie Celeste, there’s irony in your words.
@Hot Coffee, no not really
@Marie Celeste, I'd still rather keep a commie (he had his honeymoon in the USSR, so don't try to say he's not one) as far away from the white house as possible, he doesn't even belong in American politics if you ask me
@officercoolguy, true but here we are with him in the lead. He wont live the entire presidency anyhow. Statistics are against him with his heart issues.
@Throttlesky, he’s the last person we need in office
@Marie Celeste, not likely. Rather have biden or Bloomberg than 4 years of bernie.
@Throttlesky, I'll settle with Biden.
@Throttlesky, biden is 99% done
@CrazyRightWinger, eyep can confirm
Naturally aomeone from the ww2 era is using a 1911, but i wonder where he got the leftside ejection one?