Patient 1: "I want to take estrogen, but I just want it to affect the right half of my body."
Patient 2: "I want those legs."
Patient 3: "Pinch in my waist... and switch out most of my organs."
Patient 4: "Head transplant!"
Doctor: *banging head on wall* "Who put that picture on FunnyPics?!"
@PBnJ, apparently BadBoiJesus put it on funnypics
Who cares? Really? If people aren't hurting anyone, then just let them be.
@TheMonkeyGod, Because there are cases of people who laster regret in life and then commit suicide. That being said everyone should do what they want, but don't expect me to follow along.
@Autismo, life of full of regret. And people kill themselves everyday over lots of shyt. This matter would be one of the smallest issues in that regard and serves as a good warning then.
@TheMonkeyGod, Obviously it's not just the regret, it's the fact that they have a high suicide rate. If it turns out after more studies that this is infact a mental illness, is it not fair to want the best treatment, we do the same for szchophrenics.
@TheMonkeyGod, my issue is schools are now enforcing extra special shkt just for them but they wanna be normal so I don't get it at all
@Autismo, But suicide rate is LOWER after transition and counseling. The only study that says otherwise was conducted based off of medical records from Swedish patients. Before I get into it, let me parse for you what is actually stated by the study. What was stated by the study is that people who are going through and have gone through transition surgery are more likely to receive treatment for mental illness like depression or anxiety. An important thing to know about Sweden is that, since they have a socialist medical system, after reassignment surgery, they are required to undergo counseling to assist them during the transition. Of course, most people don’t go to a counselor or psychiatrist during everyday life, so, for many of these patients, it was the first time that they went to a psychiatrist or a counselor just to talk and to get evaluated. That is why the diagnosis for depression and anxiety increase in the study.
@TheMonkeyGod, I say that, then I spend 10 minutes listening to my mom talk about being vegan and all of a sudden I want to kill all vegans.
@UmActually, Walt Heyer, a man who underwent sex-change surgery and then regretted it, writes at The Federalist: study commissioned by The Guardian of the UK in 2004 reviewed 100 studies and found 20 percent regret. Consider the findings of a 2011 Swedish study (not the study Ms. Costello used) published seven years after the 2004 UK review. It looked at mortality and morbidity after gender reassignment surgery and found that people who changed genders had a higher risk of suicide. http://www.dailywire.com/news/5683/3-facts-about-transgenderism-media-ignored-push-ben-shapiro, of course this is a right wing website, but all sources are put on the website and your free to criticize or disagree. I would like to know what study your talking about so I may learn more on the subject.
@UmActually, also even if it was lower, it's still higher than the national average, by plenty as well.
@Autismo, the problem is that you are basing your actions on what you think studies could eventually discover. As of now, organizations such as the American Psychiatric Association say that being transgender does not constitute a mental illness. I would argue that based on that, it's more reasonable to follow along and focus on what experts think will best combat the community's high suicide rate, which is not telling all of them that they compare to schizophrenics.
Edit: this was in response to his first 2 comments alone
@Blue Shirted Guy, Not once did I advocate anything, I was just presenting the sentiment and the argument, if you look at my first post I said people should just do whatever they want, but don't make me have to follow your fantasy. Your talking to the wrong person
@Blue Shirted Guy, also no one said they are compared to schizophrenics, I just stated the suicide rate is not normal and can be a side affect of a potential illness.
@Autismo, I am referencing the 2011 study that you have mentioned. By Dhejne? Basically, the results were taken out of context. On the one hand, people who are trans are far more likely to seek counseling, and thus receive treatment for psychological problems, however, the group was 18-35, which is already a problem area for suicide, as well as the fact that of the patients who committed suicide, 75% had been fired for getting the surgery, 82% had been disowned by their families and it’s known that trans people are far more likely to be harassed. Regarding a UCLA study conducted in, I believe, 2013, trans people who got more drastic surgery were more likely to have ATTEMPTED suicide, this is because many had tried only counseling, or only minor cosmetic surgery or hormone treatment, and it wasn’t sufficient because their gender dysphoria, or the anxiety related to feeling as if one’s body isn’t one’s own, was greater than that of someone who only underwent hormone treatment and were
@Autismo, satisfied. I think that believing that it gets worse after the surgery is a little bit confusing and logically difficult to believe. When you take into account the societal pressures, many are satisfied and happy with the results. With inclusion of an examination of the reaction of people around them, it is easy to see why some would be driven to suicide. And, you are correct, it is higher than the national average, but how much of that is directly related to society’s reaction to their identity?
@Autismo, if... and if it doesn't? Presently there isn't the issue you describe. Your suggesting to "cure" a person not diagnosed with anything.
@HellboyPerlman, like what? Toilets. Oh no.
What harm is it doing you? None. Grow up. Stop being a whiney bytch.
@Autismo, Side-note, Gender dysphoria is separate from being transgender, there are plenty of trans people who don’t experience gender dysphoria, due to a variety of reasons, but for trans individuals that don’t have gender dysphoria, their suicide rates are at or below the average.
@TheMonkeyGod, kind of funny how you say grow up and then act like a child insulting me and being super defensive of it.
@HellboyPerlman, do you need a safe space? And super defensive of what exactly? Of letting people live their lives? Yes. Everyone should.
Also you didn't answer what harm its causing you. You decided to play the person instead. Because I'm right. You're a whiney bytch.
@TheMonkeyGod, if something is a potential danger, do you not try to find all the facts out?
@TheMonkeyGod, "do you need a safe space?" "Everyone should live their lives" woah mama irony much? I'm personally against having a safe space because that's not how you deal with problems. The harm it causes me is forcing an agenda I don't want to be a part of on me. It's past ignoring it.
@UmActually, But I never said it got worse, I'm saying the high suicide rates are a concern and could be linked to other mental illnesses. Your making the claim that it falls after post op with, while in that same study they noted it still isn't recommend.Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group. I'm also looking for the part your specifically talking about. Can I get a specific reference number to the right paragraph to save time.
@Autismo, but that’s incorrect, if you read the actual study or the interview with Dhejne, not the editorialized version, it says that it still treats gender dysphoria and makes mental health, in general, better. The reference I first made is the initial findings from 2006 in the background research section. I would suggest reading the interview with Dhejne where she addresses the issues you present. I will say, it is conducted by an advocate for trans people, but Dhejne, who conducted the 1989-2003 and then the 2006 follow-up, is being interviewed and she breaks down some things behind the numbers and expands upon the data and points out the conclusions that were drawn from it by herself and other medical professionals. On top of that, she did suggest that trans people go to counseling to help with the transition, because it can be very difficult to live with, especially if you have to leave your job and/or family.
@UmActually, We must be reading two completely different studies, I copied and pasted that shjt theres no way I got that wrong.
@Autismo, I was responding to your first 2 comments. You were advocating that we should approach the issue like all trans people have a mental illness, like we do with schizophrenics. If that's not how you meant it, I apologize, but that's how I interpreted it
@Blue Shirted Guy, In what point in any of my comments did I say "I think we should approach the issue like we approach schizophrenia" I'm specifically pointing him to the arguments of the other side because he has his head so far up his ass he doesn't realize there are legit arguments to be made on both sides. I never advocated anything. READ MY FIRST COMMENT, SECOND SENTENCE.
@Autismo, my goodness relax haha. Im not referencing any other part of the conversation, just the first 2 comments. I replied and then was away from my phone. You said everyone should do what they want, but then followed it up with "if it turns out after more studies that this in fact a mental illness, is it not fair to want the best treatment, we do the same for schizophrenics."
I interpreted that as you saying we should seek to help transgenders similarly to the way we help schizophrenics. There have been people on here who advocate for this, so that's where my response came from. Trying to be friendly here
@Blue Shirted Guy, I'm sorry, I overreacted, I was just in five conversations I was getting annoyed.
@Autismo, no problem. It was my bad too. I was debating whether to respond cause I know that feeling. I should've let a little more time pass
@TheMonkeyGod, exactly, who cares? So why make someone a "hero" when they have s sex change? Stop cramming it down my throat (lols)
@towelbot, they aren't a hero. But anyone can just ignore. People will celebrate many things, including finding who they are
@HellboyPerlman, but you want them to follow your agenda... and cry about having to simply allow them to be them. So yes, you want a safe space with no nasty peeps who want you to accept them for being them, but you want them to accept you as you. What terrible people.
I think your just worried that the girl at the toilet next you you well have a bigger dyck. But fear not. I'm sure all girls do.
@TheMonkeyGod, ok good so we agree. Yes anyone can celebrate. What I have a problem with is media telling me I should celebrate it and look to them (Caitlin Jenner) as a hero. I can form my own educated opinions thanks
@Autismo, it's hard for me to believe it isn't a mental illness when you are born a certain way and want to drastically change that.
@CynicalSir, Transgender people don't necessarily want to undergo these procedures. And I would agree with you on the way that I think people that seek breast implants are also more likely to commit suicide. I certainly would not consider transgender people that are comfortable in their skin mentally ill though.
@TheMonkeyGod, aren’t hurting anyone, but they are whining all day everyday
Go out there and find Ben Shapiro. His facts on this subject will show you the way. Trans is Gender Dysphoria, their suicide rate is 40% and statistically goes up after transition. The only time in history a group has had this high suicide rates was the Holocaust. All I want is for them to get the help they need.
@Emeraldst, I tend to equate that to how people who have breast implants have higher suicide rates. They had something about themselves that didn't fit traditional cultural norms, specifically their gender didn't fit their sex, so they sought an aesthetic change instead of an internal change. Their problems were never dealt with because they never came to accept themselves.
I suffer from body and gender dysphoria, and I didn't understand these photos until I had a day where I felt some parts of my body, like my chest, was too feminine and other parts of me were fine being masculine.
I would do this type of thing with any toy that had exchangeable pieces. Like Lego.
It's weird how many male lego heads become female with just female hair added, yet most female Legos look female with any hair. I think it's the lips.
@I Are Lebo, Adams apple and sexual energy, that's what I always check for
@DividedAlliance, shoulders and hands are also very good indicators. It's not guaranteed, some men have slender shoulders and small hands, but very few women have large hands and shoulders. It is also impossible to make our hands smaller via surgery or HRT.
Of course, there's always exceptions. Sarah Silverman is definitely a cis woman, and she has far broader shoulders than Caitlyn Jenner.
Half of my penis is a vagina