Astolfo is best waifu, great pillow. But imagine trying to explain the concept of a waifu to a caveman (assuming they magically got English comprehension but still only for things they knew like "tree, sky, bird, rabbit" etc
@thrawnfett, "Oh, so it like Krog's cave paint girlfriend"
@thrawnfett, now imagine explaining the concept of delicious traps to them or cross dressing?
@OmegaExceed, would they even understand the concept when they all pretty much wear the same thing anyway?
@thrawnfett, you have excellent taste.
@Your Waifu, touche....ok better idea explain the concept to peeps from the medieval age?
@OmegaExceed, heavily depends what you mean by "medieval age", because what most people consider medieval is pretty much every year between the fall of Rome and the rennaisance, which is a pretty long time period. It also heavily depends on where during that period you're talking about.
@Your Waifu, ok...you got me there, not the best at history I went to school for accounting and game design
@OmegaExceed, understandable. I can tell you that if you go back a bit farther then both the ancient Romans and the ancient Greeks would probably be completely on board with the idea of traps. Gender roles and who you sleep with weren't really a big deal to them, and they dressed pretty much however they felt like dressing. One culture I also just remembered from during the medieval period is the Norse, though they'd probably be more into reverse traps. Gender roles also weren't that big a deal to them, and woman could become warriors just the same as men could, with female warriors even being held in high regard if the mythical valkyries are any indication.
@Your Waifu, wow Roman's more risqué then I thought they'd be and Norse seem to be more forward thinking pretty cool do you major in history or just like the subject?
@OmegaExceed, I just like the subject. There's a lot of neat bits and pieces I've heard about a bunch of cultures and countries, and every so often I hear one interesting enough I look it up, and I end up learning a bunch more about them. I also sometimes end up finding YouTube channels that talk about this kind of thing and watching a few of their videos if they tell it interestingly enough.
@Your Waifu, nice im the same way with living things I go through the rabbit hole of blue planet and anything with dinosaurs 🦕
@OmegaExceed, I've done that too sometimes, but not quite as often. I actually do it with a lot of subjects, but history and space tend to be the ones I look into the most, though a lot of the time the space stuff is bit more theoretical. Might be part of why I'm a fan of the Fate/ series, honestly.
@Your Waifu, nice fate/ series has always been diverse just like other things I guess you're just naturally curious, and thats a good trait to have being hungry for knowledge opens many doors and ways of thinking
@Your Waifu, I would argue what most people consider medieval would be around the 12th century to the enlightenment, basically after unification of the monarchies or more classically referred to as "The Age of Kings". The Dark Ages would be the fall of Rome to there. I also find that its not that people can really identify the Dark Ages, just that they have a very strong idea that the Medieval Age was "The Age of Kings" and they know it was before.
@thrawnfett, but there was no real "age of kings". Everything from the fall of Rome to the rennaisance was kings fighting over land, and the stars of the so called "age of kings" were actually empires ruled by emperors. The dark ages is also used almost universally as a synonym for the medieval period, and therefore spans the same length of time, the 5th century to the 15th. What you're actually probably referring to, the high middle ages, happened in the middle, not the end, and is the point where kings actually organized their land to create proper feudal government systems as we know them now. It's also the point where due to generally better weather peasants also had more food, and the point during which the crusades were started. Things went very badly after that in the Late Middle Ages. The Black Death was everywhere, the church had a schism, and there were massive wars pretty much constantly. And partially due to these other factors, there were also many famines.
@Your Waifu, the Norman invasions and creation of the first classical stone castles through England is generally the era thought of as "The Age of Kings" but of course kings have existed since the first man was powerful enough to create a kingdom. Shout out to goldengateboi, gilgamesh best archer. Another common line to tie them tends to be it was also the start of the Crusades. This is not to say that an actual chronological time line would be this clean, some may start it with the Battle of Hastings, some with the first Crusade, its a messy era. But most media and mindsets tend to agree that the vikings for example were more of a Dark Age era threat. But most of those are also much more concerned with the Anglo-French conflicts, creating the Medieval Era, versus the popular general perception of the Middle Ages academically, which tends to be more broadly all of the fall of Roman influence, or "the middle of the fall" as west collapsed and east ground on.
@thrawnfett, not exactly sure what you're trying to say here, since we still know close enough to when everything happened to know that the best part of the middle ages to live in was the middle. I'm not making up the terms High Middle Ages or Late Middle Ages, those are real terms, and I can guarantee you the Late Middle Ages is absolutely not the part of the Middle Ages being romanticized because there was basically nothing good about that time besides that it led to the rennaisance and age of discovery. Also, the Norse (not Vikings, that's a job not a culture) being around during the early middle ages still means they were around in the middle ages.
@Your Waifu, I'm pointing out that Medieval and the Middle Ages have different connotations in both general and academic culture. While certainly interchangeable in some parts academically especially, Medieval tends to be a specific subset of the Middle Ages generally. Even academically there are narrower or broader definitions for all of them despite them being also used interchangeably. But medieval times also isn't handing off pistols or using ballista, both things still found in the Middle Ages towards the end and beginning respectively.
@thrawnfett, that's actually not really correct at all. The medieval ages, the dark ages, and the middle ages all are officially defined as the time between the 5th century and the 15th century. While you certainly could argue that they shouldn't be interchangeable and have different meanings and connotations, that doesn't change the fact that the period in time between the 5th century and 15th century is officially split into three sections, which are officially called the Early Middle Ages, the High Middle Ages, and the Late Middle Ages, and that the High Middle Ages was the best time to be alive during that entire area of history, with the Late Middle Ages being arguably the worst.
@Your Waifu, completely true. They're also academically narrowed as Dark Ages 5th to very early 9th century, Medieval Period Late 11th to late 15th century, and all encompassing of both for Middle Ages. Thats academically of course, pop culturally the Medieval is much much more narrowly defined usually to roughly generic early 14th/late 13th century, with a few anachronistic elements thrown in for confusion
@thrawnfett, my main point is simply that if any time in the middle ages would be romanticized as the "age of kings", it would most certainly not be the Late Middle Ages, which were terrible times where war, famine, and pestilence were everywhere, and would be more likely to be the High Middle Ages, which are the middle of that era and saw governmental and religious reforms along with the world becoming more connected through the silk road, as well as quite a few famous poets and artists making their mark on the world. The rise of the proper feudal government is also probably what brought about proper knighthood, though I believe chivalry as we know it wasn't truly established until the Renaiscance. There's also quite a bit to suggest that this is the period that the legends of King Arthur are set in, which I think further cements this.
@Your Waifu, the legend of Arthur is actually a great example. Camelot, a giant stone castle of the great uniter of England. Knights in Shining armor. Maidens and magic. Except most of those are the Norman Kings, building the first true classical castles in the late eleventh century, having the large scale first knight and nobility system where lords had what would previously have been kings under them, and the idea of the "one crown" of a nation not just loosely knit alliance of small kingdoms. This is also all adapted to a legend with its roots centered around a 6th century king though, when none of these things existed, but DID exist when they were first "recounted" or more accurately sources adapted and the rest made up to fill in the blanks in the 12th century. While you could say on the one hand this means "the age of kings" is the 6th through the 15th, it was more the 12th century setting themself up with some lineage and legitimacy. The reality of the day, pushed into the past.
@thrawnfett, which is my point, as you originally claimed the "age of kings" happened toward the end, but in fact it happened pretty much in the middle of the Middle Ages. Everything that people romanticize about the Middle Ages originated from the High Middle Ages, with only a couple of exceptions, those exceptions mostly being ideas created in the rennaisance that people posthumously applied to the Middle Ages, thus why I say it's romanticized.
@Your Waifu, I mean the point of the last one was that the contemporaries of the 12th century were so enamored with their own lifestyle that they tried to push it 500 years into the past to show how great it "was and always will be". Certainly possibly as a result, it is also the same period that most people come to associate as "the age of kings" though "great kings" may be a more accurate term. The romanticization of the era was already contemporary to the times as they occurred. This makes sense, if I was trying to convince people that God decided I was in charge and no one but me and the church could read, I would buy off the church to write about how this has been happening forever man, don't worry about it dude DEFINITELY always been JUSTTTT like this...
@thrawnfett, this is a pretty good point, and probably why chivalry plays such a large part of stories written about the High Middle Ages even though it wasn't really invented until the Renaiscance. It also might be why most people don't realize that Charlegmagne ruled during the 9th century, as most legends about his deeds paint him as more similar to 11th to 12th century kings.
@OmegaExceed, ... you do realize most men these days already look more 'feminine' right?..
@davionaceae, what does that have to do with anything?
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I'm always amazed playing games like ghost of tsushima or assassin's creed and realizing in have family who wad alive back then
One outta two ain’t bad
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Ahh the great wisdom of the ancients