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@BunnyGruff, If you're talking about the police thing the few officers that step over the line should be fired and likely charged with whatever crime they committed. As for race thing all the leaps and bounds we've made towards equality have all been ripped apart by a (few) black community that just wanted something to riot about.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, How about a Sheriff's Deputy who was executed by someone inspired by blacklivesmatter? When a movement starts calling for the deaths of all police officers, then it's gone too far. The deputy I mentioned was filling up his car with gas when some animal inspired by blm shot him in the head and then shot his corpse. This is not how we get police departments to reform their procedures. This is how we get an even farther division between police officers and black people. Blm is taking a step backwards instead of going forwards.
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@CriTiKa1, How about every black person killed by a policeman in a white hood? But no, we're not supposed to think about that, that was SOO long ago. We're supposed to forget all that. All the stuff that's happening now is completely different from that, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. (Let it be said that I do not say this to discount what happened and I absolutely do not condone the killing of a police officer who had done no harm, I say this to point out the double standard in Americas way of thinking)
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@CriTiKa1, How does one crazy guy accurately represent a whole movement? Did every beatles fan shoot John Lennon? Did everyone jacking off to Jodie foster shoot Reagan? Did every white person shoot MLK? (Though most white people at the time did contribute to the racial climate that put his life at risk for asking for equality)
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, dude come on seriously I get we've had this discussion a million times already but you're really overreacting to the race issue. Most black people are not pulled over or detained by police any more those that do hold them over are bad cops we all agree but it's a minority of police officers. Most are honorable people putting their lives on the line and deserve respect. Most of the people complaining about police brutality are people who committed a violent crime and are a danger to those around them at the time. I mean what do you expect are the police officers supposed to kindly request them to stop committing a crime and ask their permission to handcuff them? No those police officer put their lives on the line and stand up when other are afraid to do something.
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@George Feeny, by race issue I am referring to the one that people infer in every situation. It's seriously starting to get like the whole feminist issue most people are cool and get that everyone is just as important as everyone else but then you have the people who believe they deserve special treatment due to their race, religion, gender, ethnicity, etc. this is 2015 it might not be perfect but most injustices now Are those that people make up.
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@George Feeny, Are we supposed to not do anything about the police officers that are bad because they're a minority? Also even if they are a minority, it's still a lot. Then there's the officers who don't do anything directly but just stand there when their brothers in blue are out of line. And let me just ask you a question, in a world where the KKK still exists how am I overreacting to the race issue?
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, no as I said we agree those officers are bad and they should be taken to court not attacked as that just causes more violence. I hate when people try to make that argument. It's silly what should we just get rid of cops because some criminals, and don't think for a second I am talking about a race as a criminal is a criminal wether they are blue collar, white collar, man, woman, white, black etc, thinks that they were mistreated after they committed a crime?
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, and besides yea the kkk is still around but so are the freaking black panthers. I mean it's crazy how's it's only whites people that can be racist. All hate groups should be condemned not just the kkk which again should also be shut down I can't stress that enough. All people are equal and no group deserves to fear for their lives based on who they are.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, What you just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I've ever read. At no point, during your rambling, incoherent comment, did you eve come close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everybody on this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no upvotes, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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@George Feeny, What happens when they go to court? They get an all white jury, a judge they know from their daughters' T-ball games, spend a few weeks in court and get off with a slap on the wrist. We need to overhaul the whole system, and that's not gonna happen by way of the system. That just doesn't make sense. I'm not sure if you know this but cops aren't supposed to completely disregard your humanity because they believe you committed a crime. Hell, I'm not sure if they know that.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, I'm sorry have you ever been to a court? It seems like you're going off some movie from years ago. Juries are made up of many individuals and both the defendant and the prosecutor get a say on those they want and those they don't. I mean you seem to just base your knowledge off what you heard. I can tell you that not every cop in the world knows the judge again it sounds like something from to kill a mocking bird or something. You have no knowledge on how the world works and you don't care. As long as you can claim injustice you are happy aren't you?
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@George Feeny, The difference between the black panthers and the KKK lies in the intention. The KKK just hates people of color, that's their sole purpose, fear and intimidation. The black panthers just want to protect black people, by any means necessary. Does that lead to suspect activities? Yeah. But that's not their whole mission.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, ok ok ok let me get this straight if a white man is killed by the black panthers it's ok in your head because they are protecting block people?!? You're so freaking ignorant. The NAACP protects black people from social injustice and stand up for the working man the black panthers are a hate group.
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@George Feeny, Maybe I'm still learning, I'm young, the movement is new to me. But I can say for a fact that the system is broken and nothing like that ever gets fixed by staying quiet. The society we live in is built off of the subjugation of Black people and it thrives off it even today. This I know.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, no you know what you have been told. You know that you can blame anything on anyone if you claim racism. The movement for equality is one I strongly support I may not be black but I can tell you that I strongly believe that everyone deserves the same rights and privileges but when you start talking about overthrowing the system you start sounding like a crazy person. I mean seriously I get you feel strongly about this too but tell me one instance of what you are referring too. How is our system "thriving off the subjection of black people today"? I know you're just quoting what you have been told is happening but if you have put thought into it tell me one instance of this in your own words.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, fine fine their motives are different they want to protect people by installing fear and attacking a group of people I'm sure that's different than the kkk fine. But that's not the point you're saying if they kill someone to protect people it's ok but of a police officer does it then it's racism. That's the point here police officers put their lives on the line but if they kill someone in an effort to protect the community and bystanders they are racist in your mind. Police officers are heroes the black panthers are vogonates. The NAACP is a heroic organization who strong supports standing up to injustice the black panther support violence and hatred seriously look into this issue please
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, seriously man I'm just asking you to defend your views. I get you are having to research to try to find an answer for this and that's fine but just put it in your own words I think you will benefit from some knowledge about what you are calling for. You're claiming America is thriving off the subjugation of a whole race. I just want you to tell me what that means to you with one simple example.
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@George Feeny, So America was built on slavery right? That's not up for debate, it's not even political, just facts. The only way that works is if you keep the slave ignorant, ignorant to their rights, their intelligence, their humanity, all that. Everyone knows this. Then the civil war happens and slavery is abolished. Now there's millions of free black people that can do what they please. White people don't like that, at that point they had gotten comfortable with the idea of the ignorant black person, to the point where some of them thought that was just our natural state. So they wiggle their way around the new orders and keep slaves on the plantations with things like sharecropping because they know if we're left alone too long we'll cease being ignorant at some point, and so they can continue to profit off of our labor.
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@George Feeny, So black people now make up a whole servant class, marginal step up, white people are still the ones benefiting the most from black people's labor. Let's jump ahead to black people moving to the cities, they come, they take over what was low income white neighborhoods and they do well. They make honest livings doing shjtty jobs, and their white bosses make sure that they stay working those shjtty jobs until they die. (Some rose out of this of course but that's the norm). So America is still running off of the engine of black labor. Leap to the civil rights movement of the 60s, black people are more vocal and demanding than ever. They make huge strides so by the mid-70s everything seems all fine and dandy but it is not. Black people are still in the same low income neighborhoods getting subpar education and those at the top couldn't care less. Now they think of new ways to keep us under. Now they take every aspect of black culture they can and put a price tag on it.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, ok seriously I'm not asking for a history lesson. I have a major on American history up to the modern times. I have a degree to teach it. I can tell you all about the civil rights movement in depth. Don't try to bury your answer in a ton of words I'm asking for one example and saying "now they find new ways to keep us under is a cop out".
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, and what do you mean out a price tag on it? Seriously dude come on I asked you a question that was short and simple if you're going to answer it just answer it don't give me this whiny crap about how the man is charging a social price for black culture or some crap that's just 70s era crap.
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@George Feeny, They make it cool to be black without the added struggles of being black, thus erasing what it really means to be an African American. Now they sell the chains and the sweats and the language and the huge hip hop lifestyle to keep us chasing it. They want our heads down, noses to the grindstone so we can give them our money. This is how they benefit from us now, by selling our culture back to us and everyone else for profit. They sell the hood rich image so that we never want to leave the hood.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, so by selling clothing that originated with African American culture they are holding back African American culture. Hmmm so they should just ban all other races from wearing certain clothes or maybe certain races shouldn't have to pay for clothing if they originated it right? What is your goal to rectify this issue? It sounds like your grasping at straws here buddy
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, haha that's a riot man. I support social change, part of that needs to come from the portion African American community that refuse to accept that the police are not enemies of African Americans. The police are protectors you disagree there and you are wrong. All lives matter every single one. I will gladly stand up for equality but I don't support the idea that African Americans should receive special considerations. If you believe that you're harming the African American community.
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@George Feeny, Dylan Roof shot up a black church and said he was doing it because he hated black people and white people were STILL making excuses for him. Yall were STILL saying "Oh, his motives are unclear" "he must have some kind of mental disorder". So what needs to happen before it's a racial issue? Huh? What needs to be done, you tell me? How many of us have to die? Give me a number.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, look I get it you're only interested in the fate of the African American population but social change is not limited to one group. You are angry about issues that are 100% flippant you don't have a reason to call for a overhaul of the system but want to play the wounded and oppressed victim. That's fine I made my point which is that cops aren't criminals if you disagree that's fine. Just remember according to you it is currently rich African Americans who are subjugating the entire African American culture by making African American culture popular so instead of calling for an overhaul of the system which again is moronic maybe you should get in touch with these rappers who you think are so detrimental to the African American culture.
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hahaha dude you're grasping at straws. If a man shot up a church or any group of innocents I say give him the death penalty it's simple but no apparently that's me making excuses for him. Now again back to the point that you again tried to get away from. What should be done about the fact that the African American culture is popular to all races? Don't try to change the subject you said this is the subjugation of the African American population what should be done.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, dude seriously quit trying to evade questions. You don't have any knowledge so you're trying to ask a stupid question. You are a complete and utter failure as a voice of change. You wanna know how many need to die to make the world a better place. It's simple none should die. I mean seriously I say all lives matter but because you can't answer a simple question you try to act like I support killing. You are a moron, you are ignorant and you have no knowledge on social issues.
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@George Feeny, I said that the marketing of and capitalizing on our culture is the cause of our subjugation. They want us to be dumb little bees going from flower to flower collecting pollen so we can make everyone else's honey. As for how to fix that, well to reduce the problem to one simple solution would be to ignore the complexity and humanity of black people. I can get myself out of this situation but I can't just flip a switch and have every black person thinking the same thing at the same time.
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@George Feeny, No. I'm saying that the common, human importance of black lives is being threatened. As a result, we have created a movement to remind everyone that black lives do matter. There is no clause in the phrase black lives matter that states that black lives matter more than anyone else's or black lives are the only ones that matter. Do you understand?
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, dude it's interesting you said that my point is that you only care about African American lives. I'm done with this it's went on too long you're a very ignorant racist and it makes me happy that you want to over haul the system because it tells me you truly are an idiot. Count this as a victory of you like because I can guarantee you this honey that the black lives matter movement will never get any traction
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, you are very incorrect. The KKK was founded to protect whites people, specifically white women. For the first 40 years or so, the KKK actually hung more white men who abused their wives, than black men. So, you are right, the black panthers are different from the KKK, as the black panthers don't care about rape or domestic violence. To me, that sounds like the KKK was better (note: the KKK changed overtime, and I think they stopped caring about anything other than protecting white people from people of color during the Great Depression). *note: I am not white, I'm southern Italian. Which, while we weren't slaves, we were considered people of color during segregation.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, You are whats wrong with our country. You were not a slave,your daddy wasn't a slave, his daddy wasn't a slave, his dady was probably not a slave. Just like i didn't own a slave. My daddy and so on didn't so i feel nothing for you when you cry poor me, boo hoo, slaaaave slaaaave. Grow a pair and come back when you have a better usefull argument
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@George Feeny, all lives matter is in the constitution, and is not followed by people that kill and get away with it simply because of race black lives matter is a way to remind the world that black people matter just as much as white people or any other race, but I have found two cases of a black officer killing a white man and getting away with (which is bs they should be in jail) and there are almost too many cases to count for black lives being taken for no reason
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@Mr McFun, I know, and I also understand that sometimes minority's lives are taken based on race. I myself am mixed (black and white) and it makes me angry to see that some people within the black lives matter blame white people for most things. Seeing how a few individuals of the black lives matter campaign took over Bernie Sanders' public speech is a good example of this, since Bernie stands for equality. They took it from him because he is white. People need to recognize when people are for equality based on their actions, not race. We also need to make sure activists of any group aren't hypocritical with their beliefs.
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@Noble goat, I was talking about the race this, when you said the real struggle being a white male because you have to listen to everyone complain about their real issues of inequality. As a white male, you will never inherently know the inequalities and severe deep seeded hatred and racism that still exists in this country, and by saying white males have it the worst, you're saying the inequalities that people face are no where near as bad as for whites. Now I'll admit that those protests done by the black community did more harm than good and were for all the wrong reasons, but a SEVERE problem exists, proof being that shooting of that black church. There is a problem so instead of calling people out for being annoying, help fix the problem instead and don't be an asshole, mkay?
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, You apparently have no idea what "privilege" is, it seems. I've probably known of, researched, and debated the concept of privilege longer than you have been alive (you previously posted you were young, so Im going to assume 20 or younger) Privilege is not the cutesy concept your BLM common cause brothers are telling you. For every argument of "proof of privilege" I can make 10 examples to disprove it. Privilege, as you have been taught, did exist, long ago, and has merit when being discussed in a historic conversation. It no longer exists in our country, however, and when those like you, who believe it does, lets go of that falsehood, you will truly rise up and fulfill that which many of us know you are capable of.
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@ Strider2k, OK great so you know all about it then. So you can explain to me why whenever I say something about white privilege I'm assumed lazy or that I want things given to me. And you can tell me all about how even if privilege is less overt than in the past it still exists. Great, this is good, break it down for me
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, Yes I can. White privilege is made up. Every single position of power and accomplishment can be and has been obtained or held by a person of color. Why are you or others like you any different? And you blame your, or those like you's failure on "white privilege" which is just another way of saying "The only reason I don't have what he has is the color of my skin" which has been proven false countless times. Dr. King and other civil rights leaders like him, fought for you to have equal opportunity. Now that you have been given it, charlatans like jesse jackson and al sharpton have convinced you and those like you that your *outcomes* should be equal, not your *opportunities* and the reason the outcomes are not the same is "white privilege" not the implosion of the black community.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, I didn't say all was well. However, the civil rights movement is now 3 generations plus in the past. What Dr. King had a dream about, is a reality. Unless those who think like you get handed a million dollar check, house, wife, 3 kids, 2 cars, and a phd, you keep claiming "privilege" is holding you back. Go out, get an education (something you couldn't historically) get a job (getting paid for work, another thing previously unable to do) buy a house (home ownership, couldnt do that before) get a college degree (yup, thats possible now too) and live a wonderful life. What is stopping you from doing that? You. Just you. And those teaching you your beliefs.
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@ Strider2k, When did I ever say that I couldn't do those things because of privilege? To my knowledge, privilege gives those in certain groups advantages in life just for traits they were born with. This is unfair. Does it hold me back from doing anything? No, I just have to work harder for no reason other than everyone wants the white guy over me.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, Please, prove this most innacurate belief. With so much time and law devoted to affirmitive action, employment equality, and reverse-racist policies, it is now firmly impossible to actually point out any instances where you have to work harder for something than a white person. And you've just proven your ignorance of privilege. Privilege is no longer confined to traits you are born with. As that argument began to fail as more people of color succeeded, the concept of privilege expanded to include your home life (if your parents divorced, if you owned books or a computer, if you moved a lot, etc) your sexual orientation, whether you felt comfortable with your romantic partner in public, etc. As I said, privilege is being used to explain discrepancies in equality of outcome, since inequality of opportunity doesn't exist, but fails to consider inequality of effort.
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@ Strider2k, You're going to keep believing that privilege doesn't exist. I'm going to keep believing that it does. Nothing I say to you will change that. All I can tell you is that for my whole life (which isn't a super long time but still) the rule has been that because of who I am I have to do that much more to be able to get what I want in life. White boys don't get that talk, they don't have to. That's what privilege is to me.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, You're right, we don't get that talk, we get the "life isn't fair, but if you work hard, do your best, and always try to succeed, you'll be happy with life, even if you don't get everything everyone else gets" You see, most of us are told not to expect to get what everyone else has, and told we have to work for whatever we want. You've just admitted that you are basically told you have to work harder than me, but you have no proof of that requirement, no evidence to back it up, and when you dont succeed, you now have a built in belief that it was due to your color, not due to any possible lack of effort or skills, or even that a whiye person in the same situation might also fail just like you. Wheras if I fail, I chalk it up to not working hard enough, and I try harder, or admit defeat and be content woth what I have.
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@ Strider2k, just give it up the guy believes that white people have extra rights and privileges that we are keeping secret like all the college scholarships that we are privileged to get oh wait those aren't for us. What about wearing clothing popularized by the African American culture... Oh wait according to him that's not for us either. Man we must be pretty good at keeping those white privileges secret because i can't think of a single one other than the fact that white skin retains heat in the winter so white people tend to stay warmer but that is inversely true in the summer where black people stay cool longer.
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@ Strider2k, seriously though man it's not worth arguing with him. I did for awhile and he told me he wanted anarchy to reign the dude is going Only off what people tell him he should feel and say. He's even said he's basing his idea of white privileges off what his family taught him growing up about having to work twice as hard. Which they were taught by their families who were taught by their families all the way back to the time after the civil rights movement when this was actually true. Nowadays the only white privileges people can "prove" is not being pulled over for no reason but even that is silly and subjective. Because it's completely impossible to check if someone would have been pulled over by the same cop in the same situation had their skin color been different.
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@George Feeny, To give up is to accept their ideology as inevitable. If we don't try to open peoples eyes to the truth, we allow their anger and discord to breed in the darkness that inhabits their mind. Ferguson and Baltimore can not be allowed to become the norm. We have to do what we can to save the black community from itself, or we do their ancestors no justice for the previous wrongs. The civil rights movement was meant to free their people from oppression, not throw off one oppressor and replace it with another.
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Crime statistics as a whole are bs as they are often presented. If 100% of all criminals had naturally black hair you would still need to prove that having black hair is the reason why these people commit crimes and you also need to show how no other - much more realistic - factors cause people to act a certain way.
Why do people like to make things about race? The whole black lives matter movement is an attempt to point out police brutality but at the expense of the reputation of most white police officers. Yes there are police who abuse their powers, but they come in all colours. Simply shaming one race for the actions of others is not going to help the cause. The strange thing is this reminds me of modern day feminism, where it's all the "patriarchy's" fault even though most men would be unaware of our patriarchal mode if it existed today in the first world.