Never seen the symbol of on the guy with the black shirt? Knowing this guy is that like an ethno nationalist symbol?
edit: figured it out its called a fasces. its an ancient symbol. it means magisterial and collective power, law, and governance. its a white nationalist symbol associated with Mussolini or something. man that was a b!tch to google.
@CocoasBro, that's a really obscure symbol to use for a comic that's trying to do modern political commentary.
@Your Waifu, didnt even know what to type into google for that sh!t. Typed in racist political symbol but all i got were pepes.
@CocoasBro, I can't even begin to describe how funny it is to me that the media still thinks that about pepe.
@CocoasBro, it's a well known symbol, and it is especially well known to his audience. The fasces is also present in the Senate or house I believe as well. Before Mussolini it was just one of those symbols for the strength of communities. The bundle of sticks gives strength to the axe, so the collective has power.
@CHICKNUGMASTER, i certainly didnt recongnize it.
@CocoasBro, its basically the Italian version of the nazi party, as I understand from reading. The idea was white men were, and always should be, the dominant force. But they didn't believe in ethnic cleansing or the like, that came from moussilini sucking off Adolf for ideas and validation because he was even more ptyscho
@timofborg, i know who Mussolini is. I didnt recongnize the symbol.
@CHICKNUGMASTER, just because it's common in specific circles doesn't mean that it's well known, just that there are people who know it. Well known implies it's general public knowledge that any random person off the street could potentially tell you if asked about it.
@Your Waifu, actually you're right that was an error on my part. "Well known" should have been something like "available knowledge" or "not uncommon ".
Basically I was trying to convey that the fasces as a symbol is not a secret or jargonistic term. Thus, "well known" was not the correct word to use.
@CocoasBro, see my reply to waifu, sorry for my mistake. I did not intend to come off as patronizing
@CocoasBro, more generally I’ve seen the symbol used to represent fascism, which I imagine is what it is used for in this instance
@CocoasBro, yeah, I would figure a bunch of dude bro bigots wouldn't choose to be represented by a fāggot. But maybe I'm misinterpreting fascism and how much of the gay they have.
@That one lurker, its a historical thing.
@CocoasBro, yeah, I know about the fasces. I'm jokingly calling it a bundle of sticks. Cause I think fascism is gay.
@That one lurker, ooooh sorry i forgot thats what f@ggot used to mean. Now it means a guy that rides a motorcycle.
@That one lurker, brummm bru bru brummmm
@CocoasBro, you go on with your bad self Sam Winchester. Lol, or would you prefer Bobby?
@That one lurker, the symbol is only called the Fasces, it doesn't really have any direct relation to fascism. They only sound the same because they have the same Latin root word in their etymology. In other words, you're starting an argument over nothing.
@Your Waifu, is calling fascists gay an argument? I that it was descriptive.
Also, I agree they come from the same root word because fascist comes from fasces. The item it self was a tool to describe how fascism is supposed to work.
I.e. be honest communist. Give the state all the power so it can kill the out group. Unlike commies who want you to die off by starvation or through eugenics.
@That one lurker, again, none of this has anything to do with the discussion that was being had, and you're clearly trying trying to start an argument that is for all intents and purposes pointless because it has nothing to do with what was being talked about.
@Your Waifu, well ofcouse it has nothing to do with the topic. The topic was he didn't know what the symbol was. Y'all informed him pretty quickly and I was late to the party. So, I made a dig at some of the worst people alive. Calling them a name that's deeply offense after them specifically. If you're having trouble with the word I used that is fine, what is not fine is these monsters and your tacid defense for these monsters over your aversion to a word. My comment is not a dig at gay people, it's at fascist. And they're gay little symbol.
The message is that most progressive/social movements in the US are backed and funded by huge corporations and the 1%.
Makes you think why they are doing it.
@AmericanGroyper, UNLIMITED POWER
@AmericanGroyper, stonetoss is also expressing surprise and possibly confusion that fascist are on his side
@AmericanGroyper, I had personally thought that it was to give an illusion of being on the side of change while also donating more and more frequently to institutions that either stifle movements or participate in practices certain movments have often been against. But I’m not part of the 1% or any sort of movement, so... what do I know 🤷♂️
Communism and capitalism aren’t that different in the grand scheme of things
@theprofprofessor, except in terms of results, where they're complete opposites.
@theprofprofessor, litterally complete opposites. One seeks to steal all your stuff and the other seeks to sell you junk.
@theprofprofessor, exactly what a communist would say....
I believe what is being said here is current industry leaders are working towards the same goals as the current communist are: a surveillance with strict controls on every aspect of individual people’s behavior.
Just look up Bill Gates or the electronic immunity passport in Europe.
@CocoasBro, Well both systems have corrupt large business owners that use their connections to the state to gain power and wealth at the expense of the country and people
@Hot Coffee, Not that I take much stock in it but I landed to the right of the Australian Labor party on one of those political compasses, also thanks for the context
@theprofprofessor, no only capitalism has large corrupt buissness owners. Communism doesnt have any buissness owners. Communism doesnt have any owners of anything.
@CocoasBro, Just because in theory they shouldn’t exist doesn’t mean they didn’t/don’t in the USSR or China in some form
@theprofprofessor, if theres any private buissness owners then its not really communism. Just an authoritarian state that gives kickbacks to certain people and enslaves and steals from the rest.
@theprofprofessor, which is the end result of every communist and socialist attempt.
@theprofprofessor, if you had said something about them being totally opposite I would have said the same thing. It was meant also as a bit of a riff on your screen name as professors in the USA are often stereotypically communist. I was just being snarky and bombastic.
Written communication strips a lot of context from our words.
Also, because I am American, I assume everyone writing English is too, because the world obviously revolves around the USA.
@Hot Coffee, All good, I make the same mistake saying stuff from an Aussie perspective without context, eg the last meme I posted
@theprofprofessor, does communism actually have businesses, though? I thought the whole point was everything was run by the government. Or is that just socialism?
@theprofprofessor, I agree that they're the same in a long term sense. They are two different roads to the same location. To make this visual, imagine you and a friend each travel in opposite directions, eventually you'll hit eachother (presuming the earth is round). The actual roads (theory and praxis) are opposites, but the end result is the same as is the true purpose.
@CocoasBro, and both steal your junk to sell it
@Dimir FTW, A capitalist system cannot condone the theft of property as it relies on free trade of said goods to exist.
@CocoasBro, that’s why you do things behind closed doors. Can’t tell my capitalist don’t do shady things. All humans are a shady.
@Dimir FTW, were talking abiut economic concepts. Just because you can do something in a system doesnt mean it was designed for it. Communism is litterally built around the idea of stealing private property. To the point that it doesnt believe there is such a thing.
@theprofprofessor, ah yes, channeling your inner American, I’m proud
@CHICKNUGMASTER, hold on now. Two questions.
First off, "presuming the Earth is round" what?
Second, no. Communism is utopianism. Capitalism doesn't prescribe to be anything. The only thing they're similar is that they are both economic terms.
@That one lurker, I was making a visualization wherein the earth is round. If a flat earther was present I intended to clarify that the earth was round in my example regardless of what they think in reality.
Secondly, you've misunderstood my point. I'm not arguing that capitalism intends to reach the same goal as communism, only that it inevitably will
@CHICKNUGMASTER, communism is the rot of empires. You do not say a house is built to fall over. The nihilism and complacency for the house, leaves it to be corrupted by termites. Thieves that thrive of the structure of the house. Left neglected the house will fall, not by inevitability but by those struck by greed and envy.
Communism is the flat earth of economics. Change my mind.
@That one lurker, I agree? Do you think my comments were in favor of communism?
Also, I'm not a flat earther. I simply wanted to avoid an argument with one who was
@CHICKNUGMASTER, I found your comments to be apathetic, almost defeatist. That type of nihilism is how communism takes over.
As for the flat earth stuff, I never accused you. The last statement was a challenge to communists. Because all of the logic is incestuous and immune to logic or contradictory evidence like Flat Earthers.
@That one lurker, no, I'm just pointing out that capitalism and communism are a false dichotomy. I'm a third positionist. I'm not a nihilist, I'm a pagan.
@CHICKNUGMASTER, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
@That one lurker, good one
@CHICKNUGMASTER, look. It's rather mean. It would have taken to much time to show you how ill-informed your statement is. So I send a meme, and prey you'll one day understand how your equivocation is inaccurate.
@That one lurker, nah, you're just wrong and unfunny
@CHICKNUGMASTER, what ever you say pal. I wasn't looking to be funny. So at least you can understand that much.
@That one lurker, cope
@Your Waifu, In communist countries there’s obviously little to no separation between the business and the government, whereas in most capitalist countries there’s a charade of separation
@Hot Coffee, Well we both learnt our tricks from the British
@theprofprofessor, there's not a charade of separation, there is separation. There's a lot things business can't do because of the government, and while businesses can certainly influence the government, they can only do so in the same way as any other rich person is capable of influencing any kind of government. There's also a lot of jobs that privately owned businesses produce that simply wouldn't exist under a communist government. It's also worth noting that under capitalism, money's value naturally changes over time due to there being a highly saturated economy filled with all sorts of businesses selling the same things for different prices, while under communism the value of currency is whatever the government says it is, if there even is currency, and the prices are also whatever the government says they are.
@theprofprofessor, too true, despite the fact that they (the British) treat us like red headed step children
Did you get banned? Your racist comments are all gone. If so, Good!
Ah yes this is a great joke not some political ideology push on a meme app
Why does that man have a snake on his shirt?