I read this from an article on the subject
“Until then, NASA needs to do better to have actual diversity in science, and not just let Google fake it for them.”
Stuff like this is so stupid. They’re basically saying that they should hire people based on their skin color and not based on their qualification for the job which is ludicrous. “Hey, I know you’re more qualified for this position but you’re white. Sorry!”
“Thanks for your application but we’re not hiring white people right now.”
@Jolee Bindo, you mean like the EOE laws that govern every private sector business already?
@Jolee Bindo, i get diversity is important but thats just straight up discrimination. Sure its great if you hire some people who arent white but the qualifications should be whats important.
@Jolee Bindo, I wish people didn't have to spent so much time arguing about whether people were hired just because they're a minority or if qualified applicants were ignored because they were minorities, but its just so damn hard to tell. I don't really agree with the whole "have x% minorities" thing but I mean i cant think of a better way
@Bradley Leonard, you could just hire people based on their qualifications and accept that change will take a long time. Diversity quotas are an attempt to force a change that has to happen naturally.
@ReeseBobby, I think the problem is you don't always know why people are hired or not hired, it's easy to say "hire based on qualifications" but how can you make sure that's what everyone does? I think part of the solution needs to be creating a system that doesn't easily harbor discrimination while maintaining the integrity of the position
@Bradley Leonard, two words "blind hiring".
@Jolee Bindo, Oneof the hiring managers at a Best Buy near me rejects all white applicants. The dude only hires non white people, doesn't matter if they're not as qualified or experienced. The only white guy there was hired because the hiring manager was on vacation. They can't really report him for it either because there's not any "definitive" proof of discrimination either. It's like that thing where everyone knows you did it, but can't prove it. Ironically though, all the people that guy hires quit after a few days
@Jolee Bindo, I see it more like this: based on prejudices and inherent racism, people of color have had less opportunities to get jobs. They will often not even be considered for a job, regardless of experience, because of how they look. It may be presented as because of their commute, or their ‘unprofessional’ hair or whatever, but it’s racism. So hire qualified people of all colors, because we sure as heck aren’t doing that now
@Jolee Bindo, have black people tried just being smarter?
@Jolee Bindo, the joys of affirmative action
@Jolee Bindo, except there's more to it than that. And you're insinuating that only white people can meet the qualifications which is super stupid.
@hollow114, no, the article he quoted explicitly advocates hiring people on the basis of color over qualifications.
At the end of the day blind hiring is the best hiring practice and we should not give jobs to people who aren’t as qualified regardless of their skin color.
Affirmative Action should have already started paying off and it hasn’t, what we need instead is a greater emphasis on increasing educational opportunities for those in poorer neighborhoods, and giving that about 25yrs to pay off. Guarantee you that’ll be far more effective than Affirmative Action.
@Sven and Otar, except the wage gap only increases as black men are more educated. Also, income is great from a good job but wealth is really important here. In times of recession or hardship you need wealth to fall back on, and because of our history, white people have more accumulated wealth than minorities
Has to be politically correct, not factually correct.
@The Pun Shielder, Most of the time, the two are in direct conflict with each other.
Be diverse in your knowledge and skills. Not skin color.
Otherwise you’re fvcking racist
Does anyone actually think affirmative action is ok or a good idea? If so, leave your reasons below because I'm genuinely curious why
@Medic135, I prefer to think of affirmative action is less about “hire this many black people or else” and more about promoting jobs that require higher education in communities which don’t usually take them. A lot of poor minority communities stay poor as part of a vicious cycle; everyone grows up to do the same thing as their parents, because that’s all they know. Encouraging certain groups to go for white-collar jobs etc. allows them to break that cycle and get rid of the discrimination they face as a poorer minority. Sometimes this encouragement can take the form of financial aid or education grants for certain areas, and sometimes it involves making corporations hire minorities. I personally prefer the first option.
@YUNoJump, in theory that's how it's supposed to be, but sadly in practice it often, especially at notable institutions of science and education, results in a quota to be filled of x nationality and n number of women, even if they wouldn't qualify
White guys. Is there anything they can’t do?