Reminds me of that university that said valedictorians can't mention God in their speeches. Fortunately they got rid of that rule after intense backlash
@Sexy Homunculus, I don't wanna start something here, but how would you feel about them mentioning Allah, or Buddha, or whatever they believe in?
@bramwell14leon, I wouldn't care.
@BigHatLogan, That's great, and we need more people like you. But the thing is a lot of people do care. And then that just stirs up even more controversy that no one really needs.
@bramwell14leon, well Allah IS the exact same god that Christians and Jews believe in and Buddah isn't a god so I don't know that anyone would care :D
@Chad K, I would argue that the character of Allah is different than the character of Jehovah.
@Sexy Homunculus, what university has valedictorians ? As far as i know, there are no numbered rankings for students at the university level...
@Lord Tator, I would care.. I will be offended n take it far... lol jk jk.. I dnt care either :)
@bramwell14leon, I'd support it
@BigHatLogan, That's absolutely fine, but as Lord Tator has said there are people in this world who think they should be able to speak openly or promote their religious beliefs, but get offended if others did the same with their religion. I'm merely saying you either ask everybody to keep their views to themselves or let everyone openly display their beliefs, I'm not trying to accuse anyone of anything.
@JackoftheDead, It is the same God in tradition. The Quran says that Allah is the god of Abraham and Issac and all those other guys, as well as the god of the prophets, so it's pretty much the same guy. He acts differently than he does in the old and new testaments, but God acts way different in the Gospel than the Torah, so that argument is pretty much moot.
@IDontGetJokes, the way he performs his acts does not change who he is at the core. If you read through the entire Christian bible and can tell me where his character changed then I would agree. But his character did not change.
@BigHatLogan, hell, I'm an atheist and could care less if someone mentions Thor in their speech.
@JackoftheDead, not really. Yahweh was a jealous and often angry god but somehow turned to forgiving in the new testament. Muhammed was the one who declared jihad also, so technically not allah who is supposed to be peaceful and punishing if sins similar to zoaraster's ahura mazda. New testament yahweh and allah are both extremely similar in personality and also show influence of zoarastrainism which is one of the first religions to show monotheism with a benevolent god
@Thestonedtaco, Jehovah is both merciful and loving yet bound by the laws that he set and judges accordingly. He is angered by sin. He always has been and he always will be. In the Old Testament he punished the Israelites for breaking their covenant with him for worshipping other gods. He still showed that he hated sin then and wanted to purge it from his chosen. He showed mercy to them by sparing them, since he was within his rights to wipe them all out. He hates sin that much. In the New Testament, he sent the perfect sacrifice, God in the flesh, Jesus Christ, to purge all sin from anyone who decides to follow him. He still has to judge all people in the end according to their sin, but those who followed Christ receive mercy from the sacrifice. This is where Allah differs to my understanding. You never have assurance with Allah. He will change his mind on a whim without provocation. You have accounts of Jehovah changing his mind because the people asked him to.
@JackoftheDead, do yourself a favor and actually read the bible a couple times as a secular book accounting history It would help
@bramwell14leon, God isn't limited to soley Christianity. To Muslims, Allah is just the name they use for God. If we said Yahweh, it'd be a different story I suppose. But the name "God" can technicallyyy be considered unspecific to an individual religion.
@DragonbourneIdentity, I couldn't agree more, but as an atheist, I'm not sure I'm qualified to be in this argument. HoweverI feel there are Christians, as in believe in the western idea of 'god' with his big white beard and American accent, who wouldn't even consider that 'God' could be anything other than the omniscient, omnipotent being they were brought up with. Whether this is an attack on the culture they were born into, the entire concept of religion as a whole or whatever, I BELIEVE everybody is entitled to think/believe as they wish without being persecuted, bullied or whatever
Kids are allowed to pray in school, as long as it is individual or student led. Teachers and administrators are the ones not allowed to pray in schools. Also students may not do it over the intercom. But if a student wishes to have prayer and select prayer times, the school must accommodate them. Wish religious people would stop being so easily offended...
@Gavin, what do you mean? This pic wasn't even over religious people getting offended. In fact it seems like the pic is talking about the other people who are not religious and their reaction to religion in schools.
@bronze512, Yes but this pic wasn't made by a non-believer. The way it is written implies that a religious person wrote it and how they are dumbfounded about how kids can't pray in school without getting scrutinized.
@Gavin, typical anti-theist.. Trying to start argument
@K1ngPCH, typical opinionated asshole online. Generalizing a demographic by attributing the offenses of very few to the rest of the group. And trying to start an argument.
@WilfredMott, Typical WilfredMott calling out opinionated online assholes and their generalizations. And trying to start an argument.
@K1ngPCH, Or maybe a discussion?
@Gavin, actually by Supreme Court rulings, schools are not allowed to accommodate student led prayer. When students would lead the audience in the lord's prayer before a football game it was declared unconstitutional. If it is students praying on their own time, it is ok
@I Am Not A Crook, "wish religious people would stop being so easily offended
@MisterSir, why don't all of you stfu, nobody cares about your religious or anti religious views in funny pics. Want a deep talk? Get a therapist
@Gavin, actually at my school nobody was allowed to talk about God and we would get in trouble if we did. One thing that made me mad was that we could not talk about the Christian God but we could talk about any other I got in trouble for mentioning my beliefs and the teacher would let the Muslim and Buddhist children share their beliefs to the whole class on their holidays. People say they don't let anyone talk about any god in school but it is not the case. I have nothing against Muslims or Buddhists but if they can explain their religions in school I think I should as well. On the topic of people being offended by others beliefs I think that it is ridiculous. If you give every citizen the freedom of speech and religion no matter how much you try everyone will be offended at others, the problem is people think they have the right to not be offended witch is impossible to accomplish. Sorry for the long post
@Captin Taters, my school is way different. The students can express their beliefs and the teachers can't. Anyone can pray in school. Me and a friend of mine once read the Bible in class to prove a point. This might be because I'm in the Bible Belt but whatever. I see this picture on conservative Facebook pages all the time. It's dumb.
@Gavin, If anything, you seem very easily offended by this.
@Captin Taters, this is definitely not allowed at least where at my school. Chastising certain students based on what religion they believe or talk about would almost definitely end in a lawsuit.
Pray to the christian god once and no one bats an eye, pray three times a day on a carpet while looking at Mekka and everybody loses their mind.
@Bad News Barrett, just three? More like eight.
@Bad News Barrett, * Mecca ;)
@Bad News Barrett, It's five times.
@Bad News Barrett, I've never seen anybody lose there minds over that
@Invalid MACWE, you must not know many "devoted Christians"
Was gonna talk about freedom of speech and separation of church and state, but I couldn't without sounding like a douche canoe ):
@I Am Not A Crook, your separation of church and state wouldn't apply here. I've read your constitution and it only prohibits establishing a state religion and demands hat people should be allowed to practice as they please. This is a freedom of practice issue, not a wall of separation issue.
@WilfredMott, True. I am assuming that the creator of this pic was inspired to make it by some recent event. I haven't heard of one lately so I guesses it was like every other prayer in school thing, where a teacher set aside time for prayer or somebody got butthurt over whatever. I was kind of going off of what's going on right now where a town meeting (or something like that) was started with a prayer, and people flipped. The bottom line is that, you're right, everyone has a right to religious practice but it can't be funded by government money, at any level. I think I need to see what actually happened though to argue it any further.
@I Am Not A Crook, it could be funded by government money, as long as it isn't exclusively for the purpose of promoting that religion over others. At least if you're going by the Americans' constitution. All it prohibits is the establishment of a state religion and measures to discourage others' religion.
@WilfredMott, Just curious, where are you from? The American government isn't supposed to show preference of one religion over another, or any at all, in any public instance. Its also an irresponsible way to spend tax dollars. I don't know if anyone besides a Christian would want their tax dollars to go to a Christian organization. Just like it shouldn't go to a Muslim, or a Satanist, or an atheistic organization. That sh*t is for the benefit of everybody.
@I Am Not A Crook, allowing government employees to lead in prayer isn't promoting one religion over another. It's just not forcing people to renounce their faith when they clock in, and is a much more reasonable solution because then you don't get people over enforcing secular boundaries or religious people backlashing. I'm from Sealand.
@I Am Not A Crook, thank you for the best phrase I've heard all day "douche canoe"
@I Am Not A Crook, separation of church and state is intended to keep the state out of the church, not the church out of the state. A school telling someone they can't pray while in school is a government funded institution controlling someone's practice of religion, which is the state meddling in the church. So that's more of a violation of separation of church and state than someone willingly praying in school. The only way praying in school could be a problem is if there's a required prayer for everyone, willing or not, and that's a violation of freedom of religion, not separation of church and state.
@Lucius the Luscious, ah. Someone who has the original understanding of the wall of separation. Tell me then, if you're Christian, would you approve of Christian charities receiving aid or funds from the state? Or tax exempt status?
@WilfredMott, I don't think any religious charities should receive federal aid because, unless I'm mistaken, that sort of thing comes from taxes, and that's not an appropriate way to spend tax dollars, as I Am Not A Crook mentioned I think. As for tax exempt status, yes I think churches should have it because they are non profit organizations. That part is not really a religious issue.
@WilfredMott, It IS though. When someone prays they are acknowledging, and recommending, the existence of whatever they're praying to. I think that this could be simplified to theism vs. atheism for the time being. Acknowledging a deity through prayer might brush over many religions, but it also denotes the idea that there isn't said deity. (Because we're talking in terms of the U.S. that deity will be God) Any U.S. government ANYTHING shouldn't recognize one religious ideology over another, period. As an individual citicizen however, you are completely allowed to keep whatever faith (or absence of) you seem fit. For some it's a God given right and for others it is a natural birthright.
@Bonnarfarm, thanks man
@Lucius the Luscious, good. Everyone is an idiot, but at least you're a consistent idiot.
@I Am Not A Crook, I should change my name to "Watergate".
@I Am Not A Crook, a prayer is a voluntary gesture. As long as they aren't demanding that everyone join in, and simply are inviting people to participate if they desire, they should be allowed to lead people in whatever pointless gesture to their negligent god they want.
@WilfredMott, thanks... I think?
@Lucius the Luscious, Sorry man, but I think you have it backwards. The government telling people they can't pray in school as an individual is a total violation of their inherent freedom of religion. Where as a mandatory prayer in a public place would be an infringement on keeping a separation between church and state.
@WilfredMott, I'm not going to look throigh my previous comments to make sure I don't contradict myself here, but that is completely true. To be honest I'm getting to the point where my well of knowledge for religious freedoms is getting to the point where it would be hard to not start repeating myself, but ima try. In a public place, for public purposes, occupied by people engaging in public activities should not condone one religious ideology over another. That's the bottom line. In reality have I really been negatively effected by someone asking me to pray? No. It's a gesture that is entirely good willed and I really shouldn't be offended by it in any way. But it still does remind me that I'm in the minority. That I'm surrounded by people who all believe something that I don't. It makes me see a Godly influence in many things that they say and as someone who doesn't agree with that "Godly" influence I feel obliged to disagree with them.
@I Am Not A Crook, pt. 2: For example, I consider myself pro-choice. When I hear someone declare that they believe in God and his teachings that paints a picture in my head of what they are like as a person, someone who believes many things even without much evidence. That will deeply effect how I treat ALL of their viewpoints and beliefs. The point is that this all happens in a second, and I am already off to a bad start with them. I'm kind of an a$$ hole like that, but there are others who think the exact same way.
@3arc bot, I'd tap that
@WilfredMott, Are you my soulmate? I think you're my soulmate... I have been saying the exact same thing for YEARS! As for you, crookguy... I think I see what you're getting at, and I notice you've used the word 'should' many times, as in 'no government SHOULD condone any religion.' By using that word you are implying that this is your personal belief, not a law, and that's great, I'm glad you have a strong opinion. However, it is not your opinion that governs our nation, it is the constitution, and as of yet there is no law prohibiting the government from participating in religious activity, simply a stipulation in the constitution for freedom of religion (people can practice their faith whenever and wherever they choose) and that no state religion be established (forced religious observance or lack thereof). If you want to pass a law further restricting the government in this regard, be my guest, though I will have to argue strongly against you, but until then you don't have a case.
@TheLazyOne, don't ignore exceptions to freedom of practice.
@WilfredMott, Sorry, I did not have enough characters to elaborate... Obviously religious practices that would violate a person's natural rights such as human sacrifice and whatnot are prohibited by law. Otherwise, religion can and should be practiced in all other manners. The point of having religious freedom in the U.S. is to allow religion to go wherever it wants, not to restrict it. That is, after all, kind if the definition of liberty... Honestly it's really not about separating church and state, those remarks made by Jefferson were made at a time when church and state were virtually the same thing, and that form of mandatory religion needed to be corrected. Freedom of religion is also not about providing a religion-neutral environment--that is oppressive in itself! It is about REAL freedom, which means anything goes (again barring the violation of human rights). This is what the 1st amendment states in simple English, any law contrary to it is unconstitutional.
@WilfredMott, Alright, this may seem a little convenient but by freedom of speech I meant the 1st amendment, my bad.
Wait, what happened?
@Mecha Dolphin, I think a kid prayed in school.
@Medal Delivery Boy, I mean, was this a news story cause I've never seen any situation like this
@Mecha Dolphin, I know I was just stating the obvious
@Mecha Dolphin, its been an issue in the US for a few years now. I think people are just being butt hurt because they have nothing better to do. Like seriously we have a war in Iraq and shvt tons of other problems here yet people want to complain about stupid crap like this. lol smh
@Mecha Dolphin, recently a boy in elementary school was told he could not read the bible during "free reading time" because it was a religious book and they are not allowed in school. That's the only current story I've heard of
@TheRoosh, Iraq has been over for a long time, mate.
@TheRoosh, yeah so get your head out of your a$$
Ha! I get it! Bats!! As in Spider-Man
This is accurate
Wait we can cuss at school now????
@Regim, can confirm this.
True story *raises glass*
Not exactly an appropriate comparison of events. How about we institute a satanist group in school? Students can pray to satan in the hallway. Let's see how much freedom of religion they can get from everyone.
This doesn't seem to be as much of a problem as this post make it out to be. Like, at all.
Fun fact; kids can pray in school. There just can't be a teacher led prayer. If they teacher told all the children to face east and pray to Allah, Christians would be uncomfortable. That's called separation of church and state. Noone is stoping you from practicing your religion, they're just stoping teachers from pushing theirs on other people.
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Pls lets not upload these kind of pics again.
Or! Or get this... GODS NOT REAL so non of that matters. He can mention God however or whenever or wherever he wants but I'm the one laughing because I can do whatever I want without the fear of hell. Were all just going to rot in the ground so get over it
@Execute order 66, Wow, that's a little pessimistic... I'm glad you are ok with me practicing my religion, though! I guess you can laugh if you want, it is a free country:)
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@Regim, as a _____ I
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I dont mind if they pray I just hate that they stand in the f^cking halls and do it.
What school do you go to that allows cursing as acceptable behavior? I know mine didn't.
This meme is always about something controversial.
Save yourselves the trouble and freak out everyone around you at the same time by worshipping Cthuthlu!
Can't relate, go to a Christian school.