How the Tides have turned...
@PBnJ, Fvck you and have my upvote
@PBnJ, yup. It’s a Tide ad
Fox News: “let’s give teachers bonuses for carrying weapons”
Me: “ain’t a single ni🅱️🅱️a out there who would have trusted the 🅱️itch from Recess with a gun”
@liberachi , I had a teacher tell two students to bully a girl. She left school because of it. I think she would be dead if the guy had a gun. Also he liked to talk about cars a lot. Really really bad math teacher.
@liberachi , right, we can't just hand teachers a gun. There has to be extensive training to go with it.
@Lord Palpatine, to be fair you don't know he didn't have a gun
They also got shot at a lot more than most Americans. I’m just saying.
@Kalam1ty, and it was a small minority of teens that actually ate tide pods.
@Kalam1ty, That doesn’t mean they should be deciding gun laws.
@Jolee Bindo, Of course not, but their voices are valuable as they are visibly affected by the laws.
@Kalam1ty, yea the laws that were not upheld. The government failed to do their job multiple times in this case. They are the ones fully responsible. The government is mostly incompetent so why ban guns and make the government solely responsible for your safety. If that happened there’d be a lot more cases like this. (Not to mention its constitutionally illegal to ban semi-automatics or “assault weapons”)
@Daredevil192, Most aren’t trying to outright ban assault weapons. Raising the legal age, adding psych evaluations to the background check process, closing private sale loopholes, and mandating any reports of violence or threats be registered and investigated as such are logical steps to take instead of just doing nothing or doing something really dumb. The FBI got one tip about someone with the same name making threats on YouTube, the police and schools got a few about how cruel he was, but from a legal standpoint, there was not much either could do. For Christ’s sake, most police departments don’t even investigate active stalking situations. The fact of the matter is this is the only country where this happens regularly, we’ve had two in just the past week, and doing nothing hasn’t done anything to effect the statistics.
@Kalam1ty, an argument for raising the age can be made, I don’t know if forcing people to get psych evals is feasible, how can you close private sale loopholes? If I have a gun and sell it to my friend how does anyone know about it unless that gun is used. Finally that mandate is already a law, which brings me to the point once again that the government sucks at doing their job. I know cuz I work for the government and it is the most unproductive organization. The second half of your comment reenforces my point. But you say most aren’t trying to ban “assault weapons”, well that’s not what I hear when I turn on the tv. The point is, there is no such thing as an assault weapon. These people speaking out have know idea about guns. Which is why they’re scared of guns because you fear what you don’t know. The thing that’s never brought up is the hundred of thousands of lives saved because they have a gun to protect themselves. So let’s focus on 500,000+ lives saved not the16,000 lives lost
@Daredevil192, The mandate doesn’t exist. The only time it is reported is if they are convicted. It is feasible, part of the gun registration/concealed carry license process should be a mandatory psych evaluation. We require a license to drive a car. We close loopholes by increasing the punishment of guns exchanging hands under the table and making it easier to sell guns to businesses and not individuals. The semantics aside, most simply aren’t demanding a semi auto ban, that’s an NRA straw man argument, they are demanding something to be done by way of better organizing the gun laws to allow safe gun ownership. How many crimes have been stopped by semi automatic rifles? Statistically, most civilians who are involved in a crime as the victim who defend themselves using a gun use a handgun or a shotgun, not a rifle.
@Kalam1ty, well statistically getting killed by a rifle is very very minimal. Most homicides are with handguns. And the mass shooting in Texas a few months back was stopped by an NRA instructor with an AR15. The thing is if you look at statistics rifles are not the problem. So more laws to make law abiding citizens jump through more hoops won’t solve anything at all. But it’s naive to think that the left doesn’t want a full rifle ban like Australia did. It’s obvious because they bring that case up in every single argument. But what they don’t bring up is that violent crime rates actually increased after the gun ban.
@Daredevil192, That’s true, yet more rifles are involved in mass shootings. And the instructor would be allowed to have a rifle under any way the rule is written. More hoops to jump through means more people who shouldn’t own a gun be rejected. Owning a gun shouldn’t be a decision made and executed in less time than it would take to buy a car. It’s harder to get cable installed than it is to buy a rifle in most states. Also, the crime rate in Australia has dropped since 96, with the exception of sexual assault, but that’s attributed by criminologists to the streamlining of the reporting system, since most are past cases. Homicides, armed robbery and assault and battery are all down.
@Kalam1ty, hmm one school shooting isnt that much, i mean that barely teaches you any cover structure and FOV dynamics
@Kalam1ty, mhmm. I see that.
@Kalam1ty, more than police or military?
@Daredevil192, Re the ‘gun show loophole’ - what about mandatory registration of guns? When you buy a car you register it in your name, and when you sell it you tell the DMV - similar approach to guns perhaps? In the UK all gun sales have to go through a licensed dealer, so the sale is registered - could that work in the US?
@Kalam1ty, who gets to decide whos mentally well enough to own guns?
@Kalam1ty, first off, driving a vehicle isnt a right so dont compare getting a drivers lisence to getting a lisence for firearms, unless you wonna start making everyone get a lisence to speak, publicly assemble or any other one of our rights.
@Kalam1ty, the ones that are being used by CNN? They weren't shot at at all. They were nearby people being shot at in a school of 3000 students.
Also, how is this relevant anyways? What authority does that give them?
@Kalam1ty, The favored weapons of most mass shootings are handguns. Out of all the mass shootings in the last 10 years only 5 or 6 have been with rifles. The rest have used exclusively handguns.
@Kalam1ty, all voices are valuable, but when CNN is writing their questions and answers for them I no longer care what they say
@Ginger Incorporated, it was a small minority of kids who got shot
@Can yew knot, yea but those kids didnt choose to get shot
@Kalam1ty, doesnt mean they understand the issues saw the idiots talkong about banning automatic rifles. They know nothinf about the issue.
@Kalam1ty, do you even know what an assualt weapon is... can you even define it.
@Medic135, CNN didn’t write questions and answers for him. It was shown that the father and son lied by editing an email. The original email shows that they just wanted them to shorten his questions (because they were way too long), not change them to what they (CNN) want. The changed email removes that part
@NotTheLastTimeLord, I don't believe that for a moment I need a source besides CNN
@Medic135, I don’t know the sources but Philip DeFranco did a thing on it and all his sources are in the description
@Medic135, the kid’s Dad and CNN released their email conversation. The Dad’s release left out key information he claimed to be “accidental” and admitted that CNN was telling the truth. Look up Phillip Defranco’s video on it, it explains it better. Even if you don’t feel like watching it, he left his sources in the description, all of which seem to be unbiased sources. Even Fox News corrected themselves for claiming that CNN lied.
@Daredevil192, except banning aisl assault weapons in other countries has worked. So. I don't get this weird notion in the US. Where unless you can solve the problem 100% it isn't worth solving. If a few laws can save a few kids. It's worth it.
@GunLovingMerican, Was that comment meant for me? (Since I mentioned the DMV). If it was, I wasn’t suggesting anything to do with licenses (I don’t know what State/Federal laws are now anyway). Let me re-phrase - my thought was that this ‘loophole’ could be closed with something not unlike the warranty registration card that comes with your new fridge. You sell a gun, you fill out a quick form saying “sold XXX gun, serial no XXX to XXX” and send it to the Feds - they then do the background check (which, as a private citizen, you couldn’t) and if there’s a problem with him owning the gun they go see him about it. You’ve done your bit, nothing to do with you any more.
Basically, by tightening up application of existing regulations you keep guns out of the hands of the ‘bad guys’ without any bans or new laws - stops people like Nik Cruz without impinging on rights of the ‘good guys’.
@hollow114, When the UK banned guns (mostly, but let’s not nit-pick) we had relatively few in circulation and no ‘gun culture’. America is a very different nation with a very different history and psyche, a simple ban would not work. Ignoring the tiny detail of their Constitution, too many guns out there already and ownership is too ingrained in their culture.
I don’t think anyone ‘needs’ an AK47, but I don’t think that calling for them to be banned will achieve anything either. It’ll never happen and wouldn’t work anyway.
@Ze Grammar Nazi, I’ve looked up all the stats I can find and, although it’s impossible to find any two sets the same, it looks like between 2/3 and 4/5 of mass shootings are done with handguns. So while your ‘only 5 or 6’ figure is possibly way off, you’re broadly right that it’s largely pistols used in mass shootings rather than rifles/shotguns.
@GunLovingMerican, There are restrictions on every right. You can’t buy a flamethrower.
@JangoFett, They obviously aren’t most Americans.
@hollow114, it hasn't worked in any way, I refer you to the entire planet and it's diverse amounts of violent crime unrelated to civilian firearms
@Medic135, I refer you to Canada, Australia, and all of Europe. First world countries.
@hollow114, first world country only implies it's an ally of the USA
@Medic135, lemme rephrase. Countries where you can drink the tap water
@BlazingBowman, I said “assault weapon” in response to the word choice HE used. Don’t try to highroad me on this with semantics, I’m well aware.
@Kalam1ty, well this arguments been dead for 2 days most of which i did not take part in. Finale answer automatic weapons and military grade weapons have been illegal for decades now. And semi auto weapons cover basically every fire arm that a civilians can own.
@Ze Grammar Nazi, That’s misleading. Of the ones with death tolls above 3-4, they use rifles. Pulse, Vegas, Newtown, Colorado, Stoneman, Texas, Binghamton, San Bernardino, etc. 6 of the 10 deadliest used an AR-15 rifle. and I am not saying that we should just ban it out right, but the fact that there are a lot of people saying there’s nothing that can possibly be done is stupid. No logical steps have been made to stop this.
@BlazingBowman, I’ve been traveling, and, as I said in my initial comment, very few people are saying that we should ban semi automatic guns entirely. Something needs to be done, because America is the only country where this happens once a week, and sitting around and resigning ourselves to a life where a mass shooting will likely occur tomorrow does fvck all.
@Kalam1ty, not true. Absolutely false there is about the same amount of violent crimes in europe and australia. They just take different forms. And not to mention the 500,000 lowball lives saved a year using guns.
@BlazingBowman, in comparison with America, they’re still a lot lower, and it is trending downward, as much as you would love it to be false. Just because you say that it’s staying the same does not make it true. Crime across Europe and in Australia has fallen since 1996, because that’s the natural trend as policing gets better, but besides that, I’d love for you to point out where in the thread I said guns should be banned ;)
@Kalam1ty, yeah but it was trending downward before they took the guns away, those statistics you mentioned were before the influx of muslim migrants. Rapes, stabbings, acid attacks, even mass shootings ( in gun free countries shocking i know) have skyrocketed. Your talkong about statistics taken in 2012
@Kalam1ty, but i gotta head to bed bottom line your being manipulated with " statistics" dont buy it statstics are easily manipulated.
@BlazingBowman, that’s blatantly false. I’d love to debate you on the finer points, but that isn’t easily manipulated statistic is well. The only places with “upsurges” are ones in which the laws had recently changed to include other offenses. I.e: Sweden changed the rape laws to better shield reports and to include sexual assault. So reported the fences went up, but actual offenses that occurred did not. And your final point that shootings are on the rise in those countries is just not supported by fact. You are being manipulated into supporting a point that you probably wouldn’t support logically by a lobby that is giving money to politicians to keep firearms easy to purchase and easy to get despite whether or not it is logical for an individual to have them. Cruz wouldn’t have been able to purchase a firearm up until 2017 because he was deemed dangerous by public officials. Someone lobbied for that law to be repealed and someone in the White House complied.
@Kalam1ty, just because they were shot at doesn’t mean they have any expertise in this matter. Emotional appeal should never decide legislation. Additionally, CNN happens to ignore those who say gun control is not the issue. There’s way more politics in this than there should be. CNN is driving this story to fit the agenda.
@Child Slapper, That’s not true, they offered a platform to the kid who disagreed, his dad lied, then they rejected the offer
@hollow114, changing those few laws will cause more kids to die, because the rifles are more often used to stop the shootings and handguns are used in more shootings.
Yes, changing the gun laws is not the solution. It's just a bandage. It will make getting a gun harder, but not impossible because I'm pretty sure people willing to shoot up a school don't care about laws.
@CynicalSir, SSRIs have been involved in every mass school shooting in 2 decades. They're conclusively proven to cause violent behavior.
@Doctor Krieger, I see what you are saying, and ya, it's definitely something that's a problem to look at instead of focusing on guns.
@CynicalSir, save a few lives? Sounds fine to me
@hollow114, it depends on the bandage put in place.
@Doctor Krieger, Oh man, can you imagine that fight - Big Pharma Vs Big Gun doing the blame game! That would be one serious legal tussle! 😕
"We are against abortion because life is sacred"
Cuts after school programs/education/medical assistance
*looks through every single comment and upvotes everyone who agrees with my political views*
Funny, a bunch ate tide pods and now overall they seem to be making better decisions. It's like their net intelligence increased.
Fuxk off with this 'all the youngins are eating Tide pods durr' bullshjt ok? Sane humans don't do that. Discrediting all young people for the actions of young people that are stupid is akin to discrediting all men for those that are sexist, or all black people or Hispanics for those that are gang members
@Rickenfendsontinsch, what about discrediting gun owners, NRA members, or the mentally ill?
Did you know that the mentally ill are significantly less likely to commit violent crime while being 5 to 7 times more likely to be victims of it? Do you care?
The real issue here is SSRIs and the media making the names of mass shooters infamous in order to push an agenda.
@Doctor Krieger, wasn't discrediting gun owners or mentally ill at all, I just said that young people should not be discriminated against for the actions of a minority of very dumb young people. That's all
@Rickenfendsontinsch, these are dumb young people. They demonstrably have no idea what they're talking about. The proposed legislation they put forth proves this.
Understand, these kids were activists beforehand and are being paraded by CNN as a political cudgel. There are pro-gun rights students that CNN is simply not showing you and is keeping mention of suppressed.
@Doctor Krieger, look, I understand where you're coming from, but I think you're missing what I'm saying. What I'm saying is we should not shove all young people off by saying they eat Tide pods. That's all, I wasn't insinuating anything else
@Rickenfendsontinsch, I'm saying that these kids are just as stupid. They've demonstrated it.
@Doctor Krieger, let's just agree to disagree then. This argument has the potential to be very long-winded and I'd rather just not
@Doctor Krieger, I’m sorry but there is no good argument as to why guns should be controlled more regularly. They are deadly weapons and the laws surrounding them should reflect that, by controlling them you make it harder for people to use them, sure there are other ways of killing people but they are nowhere near as effective as a gun.
@LeafOnTheW1nd, you're missing the entire point of the second amendment. Of course they are deadly weapons, that is the point
@Medic135, and it was written when a gun struggled to hit the broad side of a barn door. What justifies its continuation today?
@LeafOnTheW1nd, the same thing that justifies the continuation of each amendment in the bill of rights, how about I take your freedom of speech rather than you take my right to defend a free state? Not so cool is it. The first amendment is the most important because the pen is mightier than the sword, the second amendment exists for when the pen runs out of ink
@Medic135, freedom of speech doesn’t murder kids.
@LeafOnTheW1nd, are you dense? Honestly are you on the spectrum or something? For starters, guns don't murder kids. People murder kids. Go ahead and ban whatever you consider assault weapons if I want to commit mass murder I will do it. You've accomplished nothing but disarming a people, and in effect jeopardized the freedom of a Nation that has never been disarmed or controlled since it's revolution
@Medic135, oh go to hell, there is an overwhelming evidence that gun control does reduce the frequency of mass shootings and reduces gun violence. I cannot stress this enough: YOU. ARE. WRONG. Again good luck taking on a modern military with small arms. This is a stupid argument which benefits nobody but the assholes who actually turn a profit.
@LeafOnTheW1nd, the Taliban, Vietcong, alqaeda, and every other small arms insurgency has done pretty good at out doing the modern military, Switzerland and Norway have high gun ownership and insanely low violent crime, the UK banned guns but they should really consider banning acid and IEDs next, and Australia had a rate of violent crime that was reducing at an equal rate before and after their ban took place. Soviet Union banned it's citizens weaponry, Germany did during the 30's, the people's republic of china did, north Korea did. Worked out great for them! I've never turned a profit on firearms but I invite you to volunteer to help collect Americans weapons! I'll PM you my address if they ever pass such an unconstitutional law
@LeafOnTheW1nd, the CDC itself presents evidence contrary to you're emotional argument, do you know how many drunk drivers kill kids? Prohibition away, by your logic it'll work great!
@Medic135, great bit o’ strawman bud, switzerland and Norway ban he ownership of ammunition, IED’s are illegal you rube also guns are not illegal in the UK, they are tightly controlled to prevent mass shootings, that is flat out BS.
Just saying but growing up in the UK I never went to school afraid that someone was going to shoot me. Why? Because we have same gun laws.
@LeafOnTheW1nd, Switzerland does not have a ban on ammunition, no idea where you got that bit of information. Semi automatic weapons (long guns and handguns) for the purpose of home defense, self defense, Hunting, and militia organization in the event of war etc. And the UK had how many mass shootings ever? Your violent crime rate is how high? How many victims of crime in the UK may have faired better had they the option to protect themselves and not simply be victimized? And I never once was afraid of a school shooting growing up I graduated in 2013, same amount of guns were around then as there is now. The issue is society
@Medic135, man you are a complete muppet and clearly have an irrational attachment to weaponry. But hey thoughts and prayers right?!
@LeafOnTheW1nd, I've never offered thoughts and prayers nor would I
@Medic135, yeah the issue is your society fetishises guns and are resistant to any kind of regulation because of propaganda being fed to you by the NRA. You know what I’m done, we can pick this up in a few weeks after the next shooting inevitably takes place.
@LeafOnTheW1nd, you're believe everything you hear don't you, do you know the NRA isn't a profit organization?? It's a group of people who share a desire to exercise a specific right, they have a branch that does lobbying to protect that right from people like you. They turn no profit
You can’t simultaneously be a dumb teen who died from eating a tide pod and a part of the current group of teens protesting.
Can we please stop the ad hominem
Exactly the point - the Tide pods have thinned the herd, those who remain are smart enough to be involved in intelligent debate.
@Nellybert , "you're all murderers paid off by the NRA" is not intelligent debate.
@Doctor Krieger, yesterday the NRA paid my gun to murder my parents, it was horrible
@Medic135, my Assault Rifle 15 has yet to depopulate a schoolyard with lead. I keep an eye on it all day, but it just sits there, plotting. CNN told me that it's responsible for killing children. What do I do? I raised it the best I could. Where'd I go wrong?
@Doctor Krieger, did you try making it fully semi automatic at a gun show?
@Doctor Krieger, Damn. I had hoped that my original comment was vague enough to avoid the appearance of taking a side. I was aiming for a broad comment about teenagers in general, not a show of support for one side in the gun control debate.
Then they got shot at and woke TF up. Sobering experience from what I hear.
@mas2de, those pre written lines they were handed woke them way TF up
@mas2de, it appears people have flocked to this pic to downvote the truth. Seriously. What's untrue about my comment?
Give me your salt you lilly-livered snowflakes! Have at thee!
(There were a lot more downvotes on this comment in my feed :/ Did people change their mind?)
CNN:Republicans in congress should make gun laws. Me: But they were taking money from the NRA two weeks ago.
When I've asked kids their opinion about gun control topics, their answers have been as varied as adults. The ones calling for increased measures are just being more vocal right now. The kids hunting with dad every season aren't calling for change.
To be fair it was really about the mockery of the people eating them that made it famous, and not the compulsion to do what they were doing.