I've said if before and I'll say it again, when you're protest involves inconveniencing random people who are just trying to carry on with their day, people will be less likely to listen to you. Like those idiots who were blocking the road a couple years back.
@Nitr0Nerd, "those idiots" *wink wink, nudge, poke*........do you mean.... Black Lives Matter?
*runs for cover*
@Nitr0Nerd, they still block roads. BLM blocked interstate 494 in Minnesota back on September 8th because police shot a man who ran at them with a knife.
@Block1187, This is why i dont drive. I would be arrested for vehicular manslaughter. Some fvcking idiot would stand in front of my car and i would just mow them down because im looking at fp.
@Nitr0Nerd, You should see the shjt going on in Melbourne rn
@Nitr0Nerd, ah Black Lives Matter. Showing me that African Americans should be dignified individuals while looting a convenience store. Thank you thieving nibbers for reinforcing the stereotype. I don’t loot convenience stores because I value property rights. -also quite intoxicated so I didn’t consent to posting this comment.
@LaDarkProphet, they deserve it. Have you ever seen “Man vs Car?”
@SirLordKraftDinner, stfu you racist scumbag, seriously this app is so fvcking racist
@Nitr0Nerd, calling someone an idiot when you don’t know the difference between your and you’re makes you the bigger idiot.
@NoneYo Business, Autocorrect is a bitch my guy, I noticed it was wrong after I left the comment but was just too lazy to edit it. Just because somebody makes a typo doesn't mean they don't know the difference.
@Nitr0Nerd, cop out - protests are supposed to be inconvenient. It’s kinda the point.
@NoneYo Business, They're meant to inconvenience the people you're protesting against, not random people who have nothing to do with it. BLM protested against the police by blocking a highway and preventing people from getting to and from work. It didn't inconvenience the police whatsoever, all it did was piss off random people who were just trying to carry on with their day.
@Nitr0Nerd, are you serious? police are literally murdering black people in the streets. Fvck wherever you were going and do something about it rather than get butthurt over a minor inconvenience. It’s called awareness for a reason.
@NoneYo Business, Okay... no? If you're going to protest the police department than rally in front of the police station. My point from the beginning is when you just inconvience random people who did nothing wrong it doesn't "spread awareness," it just pisses people off. I'm not saying police brutality isn't a problem but there's a right and wrong way to go about trying to make people aware of it. When I see a bunch of people blocking a highway when I'm trying to get to fvcking work I'm not going to think "Hey, we should do something about racism and police brutality!" I'm going to think "I need to get to to work to make money to support my family and these idiots are standing in front of my car preventing me from getting there." It's the same mentality as public speakers who openly insult their audience to get their point across. Even if they're right, nobody wants to agree with them because they're acting like a tool.
Other (not reliable) sources say, the protesters were a group of vegans against eating meat. Idk what climate change has to do with that...
@Stealthytwinkie, meat production produces a ton of greenhouse gasses or whatever. still yummy.
@Stealthytwinkie, the basic idea is well demonstrated with the amazon rainforest. Brazilian ranchers burn forested land in order to create financially productive agricultural land, mostly for grazing cattle. To vegans eating meat = demand for meat = ranchers deforesting in order to profit off of that demand. Disclaimer: not a vegan, just read up on it.
@Stealthytwinkie, if you're being genuine right now, that's pretty concerning.
The meat industry, specifically the red meat industry, is one of the world's biggest producers of Greenhouse Gasses as well as an incredibly inefficient use of natural resources, i.e. land, grain, and most of all water.
Its essentially a massive sinkhole of energy and resources that in turn produces an absurd amount if methane, which has 20x the global warming potential as the CO2 youd see emitted from a car.
In short, it needs to be scaled back if we want to even have a chance at curbing global warming
@SageNine, about 27% of methane is from all methane which has a Global Warming Factor (GWF) of 25, meaning it's about 25X worse than CO2. However, nitrous oxide has a GWF of about 300 and 75% of all emissions come from soil management/farming (not animals/meat). Also fluorinated gasses from air conditioning and refrigerants have GWF between 7k and 22.8k. The fluorinated gasses are all human produced as well meaning there are no natural sources. Finally animal husbandry isn't even the largest CO2 emmiter within the industry category which accounts for 15% of all US emissions. All of agriculture accounts for about 10% of CO2 emissions. So there are worse pollutants than red meat. In fact, it's kind of small in comparison to other sectors. Found it on the EPA website.
@jabopples, there are worse pollutants yes, but coming from someone with a minor in green engineering, the methane produced by the meat industry is pretty high.
There are other gasses out there with significantly higher GWP values, but the volume in which they are produced is a lot lower.
But I reiterate; on top of the gas output, the red meat industry is a massive consumer of other resources, which in turn is a pile of problems on its own
@SageNine, True, but I think there are more damaging industries than red meat that we should focus on.
@jabopples, for sure, but red meat is definitely up there
@Stealthytwinkie, knowing vegans they mightve been doing both.
@SageNine, I'd say agriculture as a whole is up there, with red meat a part of that. I mean methane accounted for 10% of all emissions of all the gasses, with about 30% of that 10% being from ruminant animals. So about 3% of global emissions. I'd say deforestation and over farming are bigger. But I think we can both agree that the problem is complex and cutting out one piece of the problem won't do enough
@jabopples, Sustainable agriculture honestly focuses less on extreme dietary shifts like veganism, but more on local food production. Low-scale, local production cuts down a lot of the resource use, especially for transportation. Also, while 3% of all emissions isn't a large number, given the GWF of methane you mentioned, finding ways to reduce it as much as possible is important.
And those same vegans fail to understand that A) they're eating the very plants that absorb carbon dioxide to produce oxygen and B) there's a metric f*ckton of chemicals and additives in their vegan food to give the taste/texture/appearance of meat.
Shining example is how much water is wasted making almond milk versus milking a damn cow...
You guys are idiots, Cow farts will not be our demise. It'll be China not complying with emissions control. NA make up so little compared to them.
Can anyone remember Westboro Baptist Church? These protesters are getting close to that level
@someone you despise, remember theyre still active. You just dont know because being cvnts to a dead veteran isnt as juicy a story as two giant mobs of political opposition beat the living sh!t out of each other in street wide brawl.
Did you know it's more environmetally taxing to produce the products which vegans eat than to eat meat?
Like, it takes a whole lot more water to grow plants than cows.
And for all the soybean products they're using, more deforestation is being caused to produce that plant. And again they consume more water.
Lastly, the processes used to make the soybeans and almonds products releases more CO2 into the atmosphere than butchering cows with machinery.
@Tentastic, I don't know enough to disprove anything about the vegan stuff, but I know for a fact that most of what you said also applies to meat production.
Cows, along with cars, are one of the biggest producers of CO2, due to waste products.
Forests are often cleared to make way for grazing land, which is always a lot since cows require a lot of pasture land.
Not saying you're wrong, or that vegans aren't terribly wasteful themselves, but climate change is a lot more complicated than this.
@Tentastic, It should also be noted that I typed this while waiting for a cheeseburger
@Proactive Citizenry , I think his point was, that despite the mass amount of greenhouse gas from meat production, it cost an even great mass amount to produce the products vegans would use instead. So basically their argument is invalid.
@Proactive Citizenry , you're absolutely right that those two items are the biggest producers.
Actually I was wrong, almonds don't produce CO2, they produce Nitrous Oxide which is 300 times more effective at being a greenhouse gas.
Secondly, while Almonds don't cause as big as a problem or cows rn, to scale it's much worse if almonds were at the scale cows were.
Think of it like this: exists 10 murderers and 1 serial killer in a civilization. The murderers each kill 1 person. The serial killer kills 5.
Effectively, the murderers killed more people, but if there were 5 serial killers, theyd kill more than double what 10 murderers do .
@Tentastic, while I agree that overuse of specific crops can be equally damaging as meat production in terms of emissions and deforestation, how can that require more water? The cows need water and land for themselves and water and land for their feedstock.... not disagreeing per se, just doesn't quite add up for me
@Tentastic, "it takes a lot more water to grow plants than cows"
Did you just blow in from stupid town?
Have you seen a single comparison of how much water it takes to produce the same calorie volume of food for plant based materials vs meat? Ever?
because it isnt even close
@SageNine, consider calories and nutrition. A soybean burger has half the water footprint of a normal burger, yet doesn't come come close to half the nutrition of normal burgers.
And burgers aren't even considered that nutritious/healthy, so consider the other parts of meat.
So while yes, in terms of volume, plants have less water footprint, but in terms of nutrition meat has better water footprint.
it's like how lentils are considered high in protein, but you need to eat a much higher volume of them to get the same amount of protein than just eating meat.
@Tentastic, buddy, this is still blatantly wrong. I do not know where you're sourcing your information but all nutrients from meat can be obtained with absurdly better resource efficiency and less waste
I strongly advise you look up a comparative LCA on this
Yup climate protestors this is how you endear people to your cause. You screw with the daily lives of ordinary people with moral condemnation. This will absoultely end in more people siding with you.
@BlazingBowman, screwing up the daily lives of ordinary people with moral condemnation is like the definition of peaceful protest. do you think folks days werent upended when dr king marched through charlotte? a dramatic example put the point is sound
@Hoban Washburne, marching is one thing. Blocking traffic and entrances to buildings are another. When your blocking traffic you also block people on their way to hospitals, a dude wasnt able to say goodbye to his father the other day in brittain cause climate change activists blocked roads which delayed him getting to the hospital. But even something as simple as blocking the entrance to that burger joint. You think that dude left thinking jeez these guys might have a point. No he left thinking fvck those guys and whatever they represent. Which was my point if you think blocking the streets and generally being a nuisance to everyday people is going to win people over to your side youre wrong.
@BlazingBowman, yeah cuz im sure peaceful marches through streets where people commute have never blocked anyone from going anywhere. im sure marches through streets blocked way fewer people than protests in front of singular restaurants
@Hoban Washburne, come on dude thats just willfull ignorance. If you type in leftist block traffic on youtube you get dozens of hits. The dude in the article up top is getting blocked from an establishment and has to force his way in. This happens litterally all the time its a common protest tactic used by the left and its very counter productive for everyone involved.
@BlazingBowman, yeah, the point of successful peaceful protest is to upend peoples lives in a nonviolent manner, like marching in the streets. if its not a hindrance to the daily lives of people, people wont do shjt about whatever you care about because you’ll be forgotten about in the blink of an eye
@BlazingBowman, honestly i dont even agree with these vegans. but their protest methods are valid
@Hoban Washburne, im sorry dude but if you think "upending" a persons daily life is a good way to rally people to your side. Then you have some sort of mental illness. Though that mindset explains why the left is getting curbstomped so hard. By all means keep pissing off normal non political people. The opposition will gladly scoop up those spite votes.
@Hoban Washburne, blocking traffic is not a valid method of protest.
@BlazingBowman, dr martin luther king jr and all of hong kong would seem to disagree with you there
@Hoban Washburne, martin lither king didnt block traffic and he didnt block entrances to buildings. Learn some history. He did marches yes but they kept pace and they didnt sit in a spot for hours so cars couldnt go through.
@BlazingBowman, and “curb stomped” seems like a misnomer given the fact that the sitting conservative president is about to be impeached and biden leads the polls
@Hoban Washburne, lol you actrually think thats gonna happen. He tricked them into voting for a vote on impeachment he knew they couldnt win. Thats a giant L for the dems.
@BlazingBowman, ima remind you you said that in a few months. and he marched in the streets till cops attacked the protestors with dogs and hoses. you’re being intentionally thick if you’re trying to tell me that wasnt disruptive
@Hoban Washburne, you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding at what gave martin luther king his victory. Yes it was disruptive but being disruptive wasnt the point. It was the over reaction the cops gave that won him his victory. It made him look sympathetic. Martin luther king wasnt screaming at random people or blocking them from their favorite fast food restuant. Or blocking traffic specifically so people couldnt go home from a 14 hour shift to feed their kids. It was fundamentally different. Marching in a parade down the street is completely different from blocking traffic with the intention to fvck up your day.
@Hoban Washburne, lets turn this around. If trump supporters were blocking your way home from your job and youre a$$ is sitting in traffic for 5 hours are you gonna think. Gee these people have a point these Democrats need to leave the poor fella alone. Or are you gonna think fvck these f@ggots i have a ton of sh!t to do before bed and i dont need this sh!t in my life.
@BlazingBowman, you misunderstand my point. i agree the point is to incur a reaction and in so doing be punished, making society see that you’re being unjustly penalized and the laws that got you in trouble should be re-thought. but you seem to think that the goal is to fvck up the lives of people whom you want to convince when its really to cause enough of a disturbance that people look at what you’re doing and saying. to these people, the restaurant and the meat eaters are the enemy (again, i disagree with that, but thats their position). so you fvck up their lives, incur a reaction, get attention, and get people to think about the issue. the other option is to never make a disturbance and be forgotten in a day because nobody has to listen to you so nobody will, because people have remarkably short attention spans.
@Hoban Washburne, so if i made you sit in traffic for hours on end. You would rethink your position on donald trump? If i blocked you from eating at a mc.donalds you would think gee climate change isnt real after all.
@BlazingBowman, you’re painting the inconvenience as disjoint from the issue. if you made me pay more for the bus, id reconsider why black people have to sit in the back of it, if you made me wade through a picket line to get to the polls id think about why women werent allowed to go to them. the extra effort gets you annoyed. and there are two different types of people, the “these people annoyed me so fvck them” people, and the “this sucks, fvck, this must suck for the people who have to do this all the time” people
@BlazingBowman, protest is meant to disrupt. fundamentally. if it didnt make you look, MAKE you pay attention, your lazy ass wouldnt care. you’d sit on your couch and say “not my fvcking problem”. unless you make a thing peoples problem, they wont fvcking care
@Hoban Washburne, thats a long a$$ way of saying " yes blaze if you made me sit in traffic for 5 hours i would change my mind on trump" which is the definition of retarded. If you actrually think inconveniencing people is how you gain support there is something wrong with you. There is a significant difference between between grabbing peoples attention to your issue and screwing them over on a daily basis. Do not confuse the two.
We need to clone this hero and place in front of every good burger joint in America