Just walk away from the comment section.
@Mr Tall sir, I read your comment and still went in, even knowing it wouldn't be great before even reading your comment. Got a few in and luckily decided to scroll down and see how much there was and just wow I'm glad I stopped reading.
@Smash Like Gaston, #I disagree with you monster
@JukeboxLab, you like drawings of cartoon kids having sex, and somehow I'm the monster?
@Smash Like Gaston, Loli's more often then not are adults whom look like children, then there's this they're animated and false they have no real feelings and thusly is merely an medium of entertainment I like cute Loli's not porn Loli's thank you and please have a Wonderful day
@JukeboxLab, that's still the issue. They look like children. People fantasize about fvcking a cartoon that looks like a child. Why is the concept of that being wrong so hard to grasp.
@Smash Like Gaston, Because it's kind of like shaming them for an issie they have no control over, much like most "Identities" like furries and shjt it's something wrong with their brain inherently it's not bad, we just have the mental capacity to make that judgement they don't, and yeah some of them are weirdos but they still don't genuinely think they are wrong they see themselves as human beings whonare just getting their rocks off and any other sexually explorative person, don't get me wrong I'm not defending them I despise the mere thought of kid fvcking, but they need to be taught proper right from wrong the people who act on these desires weren't taught or didn't get a hard enough lesson, Shaming them is pointless it fixes nothing
@JukeboxLab, so the way to teach them it's wrong is to feed the habit by giving them something to jerk to? Why wouldn't I shame someone who thinks it's cool to jerk off to cartoons of kids? It's shameful.
@Smash Like Gaston, the thing is that most of them know that their desires are wrong. It's a mental illness just like anything else, and there are ways to treat it besides shaming them. Shaming someone for something they can't control isn't exactly the best way to go about it.
@TheSickTurtle, they can get treatment. They choose not to. It's not that they can't control it, they just choose not to.
@Smash Like Gaston, them getting treatment is a massive gray area. By law psychiatrists have to report people who are a danger to themselves or others, depending on how an individual interprets such a statement, someone who is actively attracted to children could be considered a danger. You go in for treatment and end up on a list somewhere, now what? Your problem just got worse. So say you manage to find a doc that won’t narc on you, what do they do? Chemically castrate you? Shock therapy? There’s not enough research on the condition to provide a reasonable cure. Some people say it’s associated with OCD and that there is no way to treat it. If there a moral person that knows it’s wrong, then yea, they should pop one off to drawn children just to get rid of the urge. It’s not going to stimulate them to do something worse, if they’re moral. If not, well there’s nothing you can do to preemptively stop them, anyway.
@JukeboxLab, You can't justify wanting to jerk it to the image of a child, no matter how many extra details you add to it as excuses. Even if it's a thousand year old vampire with the body of a child, you're still jerking it to the image of a child. "Oh but it's ok because it's not *actually* a child." No, it's not ok, that's just the technical excuse you use to get away with attraction to pedophilic imagery. Miss me with that shït.
@Swift Justice, Sorry friendo hate to shatter your reality, there isn't such a thing as Good and Bad, Justification comes in all forms simply depends which side of the fence your on, It's all subjective
@JukeboxLab, LOL that's a nice way to react when backed into a corner
@Swift Justice, You think this is final resort reaction but it's first resort, Last resort is less kind and more of a "Go fvck your mother" kind of approach :) I like how we can be open like this it is a sign of a healthy relationship
@Smash Like Gaston, I totally get where you're coming from, and I'm not even someone who enjoys lolis being a thing, but I personally would rather people be jerking it to draw images of cartoon children than real children since with drawings no one is a victim
@JukeboxLab, didn't mean to post a comment. Passing out tired and hit it by mistake
Also, what about Molly?
@Swift Justice, I mean, have you ever seen a Loli that looked like a real kid on this app? They have childish traits (small statures, odd proportions) yet they don’t look anything like real kids or even teenagers. Man, have you even seen Kanna? Show me a kid that looks like that and I’ll lose a bet. The closest you come is in the weird parts of the internet where people draw lifelike lolis for smut. I can agree with your point in that context, it’s gross.
With the more cartoony ones elsewhere? You can’t actually point at those and draw any real connection to actual kids. They’re not depictions of real children. The girl here doesn’t actually look like a kid. She looks like a tiny flat chested woman. Not the same.
To talk just for myself, I think those more removed kinds of lolis are cute in basically every context, but I think any person under the age of 20 in real life is utterly appalling. Am I somehow sick for thinking like this? How do I fit into your simplified world view?
@Smash Like Gaston, playing the devils advocate here, it’s merely a drawing so no harm is being done. Also age of consent depends on culture and time period, why is 13, 16, 18, or 20 the “correct” age for sexual relations, who decided that? Personally I prefer milfs because sexy mature women with full bodies are what get me going but it’s always fun to take an objective view of the world and see things from all angles.
@BorisKitten, that's actually a really good point, I can't believe I've never seen this point of view
@Steve Gooliger, Wait, really? I didn’t think I was unique in this mindset. To be honest I’d always assumed this is how most fans of lolis thought, where they are clearly a different thing than drawings of realistic children.
To talk about the actual law in the US, which shouldn’t necessarily dictate who’s right from a moral point: Depictions Of characters with childlike traits are fully legal, no matter the actions those characters partake in. It is only once a character becomes indistinguishable from actual children that the law begins to turn against the creator/viewers. That’s not a determining factor for anyone here I imagine, just thought I’d add it to the discourse.
Thank you, Steve. I wrote that last comment in a heated moment, even though I still stand by all my points. Your comment helped me calm down a bit in this conversation. I sorta regret turning it back upon Justice in such a clearly hostile way now. Not that I’ll edit it, since that would be disingenuous.
@BorisKitten, from the way you talk I feel like you would destroy anyone in a formal debate, I'd love to see more of the discussions you've been a part of honestly.
Mostly because it seems like you're making honest opinions with good evidence, which is rare to see now.
@BorisKitten, that law was passed because of the fact that an artist or whatever could change the age of their drawing if they were going to be convicted. You can't convict someone when they have the ability to change the evidence. It's just a loophole.
It's the mind frame that people know that these are meant to represent children. That is the intent. That is their purpose. And people know this, and they still decide that jerking off to it is ok.
@Blasphemy is Fun, it's still pretty much kid porn with extra steps. It's still people getting off to the idea of having sex with kids. They just have a legal way to do it.
And age of consent comes with sexual maturity. 13 year old me was an idiot. 16 year old me was head strong. There is a reason you're not an adult and able to move out till you're 18. Your body is over flowing with hormones. You make stupid decisions. Have you ever seen a pregnant woman? There is a reason there is such thing as pregnancy brain.
A line has to be drawn somewhere when it comes to pedophilia. For some people there isn't a line. For some people just watching it, not participating is their line. For some it's just watching on their computer. And others it's watching cartoon versions of it. And every person can justify their actions because they've already come to peace with themselves. They've already convinced the hardest person to convince that what they're doing is ok.
@Smash Like Gaston, Well this is fun. Time to retype because of network issues.
The reason you can’t convict is because the entire basis of art is that it’s subjective. What to you is clearly a child is to me just a grown woman of diminutive stature. Is Midna from Legend of Zelda a child? What about the very start of this discussion, a character who’s centuries old and quite diminutive? The law in question still punishes those who have reasonably photorealistic art, because that depicts an actual child.
Who are you to determine intent in another person?
Side note, from your discussion with blasphemy. I didn’t reach mental maturity until I was 21. Friends of mine reached it at 16. The very nature of your personal argument gives validity to the argument that all individuals reach maturity at different ages. This in turn devalues your argument of 18 being the base level because maturity is based on the individual.
@Steve Gooliger, I actually thank you a lot for that. Debate is fortunately a part of our daily life, and healthy debate is a large part of cultural and mental health. I never had much interest in it in high school, but I grew up in a quite conservative household. Being somewhat liberal, there were many arguments. Turning an argument into a mutual debate is a good way to try and lower tensions before things get out of hand, though it granted doesn’t always work.
I’ve found the logical outlook that my autism has given me also serves to help in keeping with healthy and respectful debate.
@BorisKitten, the term loli means child or extremely young. That isn't even part of the debate. Are you so far gone that to make your point for your argument that you only use facts that are true to you? How long have you been lying to yourself?
Lolis are meant to look young. That is the intent. No one has ever denied that until now.
No my arguement stated I was hormone driven, like anyone else going through puberty. 18 is the age people can decisions for themselves. It's the majority age. But you can't set a rule because a couple people are outliers, that's called the exception to the rule. That doesn't make them exempt though. They matured early? Cool. Good for them. But you matured late, so does that mean that if you somehow managed to have sex at 18 that the person you had sex with should be charged with statutory? The age is set. Anything less is illegal. It's pretty black and white, just because you've decided to paint your own picture doesn't make it ok.
@Smash Like Gaston, The term Loli is based on a name. Lolita, the underaged namesake of a film. The term has come to mean anybody who exudes both sexuality and youthfulness. We have a word for child already, and so do the Japanese.
Also a personal attack in lieu of a real argument? Real mature. You’re proving you aren’t really trying to have discourse at all.
Lolis are meant to LOOK youthful. You said it yourself. If every time you see a petite woman nude you assume they are a child, you must be quite far gone, friend.
That was a joke, pointing out the absurdity of your personal attack. I do not actually think that of you.
My whole point was that your argument about age of consent contradicted itself. But to argue the point, why is YOUR age of consent more valid than mine? Or my friend’s? Why is yours justified while ours aren’t?
The same law set that sets the age of consent also allows for Loli smut. ‘You can’t pick and choose your facts.’ To reword your argument.
@BorisKitten, yes. The novel "lolita", from the 70's was about a dude who raped a 12 year old girl. Which put forth the whole loli genre. A loli is a considered a sexualized child. So I mean, we're more or less making the same point. So then how is loli ok?
Call it a joke or not, I have no problem making personal attacks. I'm not above that. People should be ashamed of themselves for liking lolis. And if they don't feel it themselves, then I'll shame them. I don't care.
They are meant to look like children. Not just young. People go through changes when they go through puberty that give them adult features.
Wait a minute.... "your age of consent"? Are you saying that you get to choose consent just because of who you are? The laws were passed because they acknowledge kids shouldn't make these decisions. They acknowledge that adults shouldn't force their intentions on kids until they can make an informed decision.
It's not the same law. Do you read what you post?
@Smash Like Gaston, Well, we clearly both understand what the novel was about, but you seem to not understand that the term has evolved since that initial depiction. Also, she did seduce him, if I recall. That doesn’t change the legality of what he did.
If you attack someone as part of your argument, then you null your own point. You’re worse than whatever you vilify them for. It’s wise to never do so if it can be avoided in polite discourse.
You are either being intentionally thick to avoid having to acknowledge my points or they are not landing well. I can’t tell which of our faults this is.
Literally the whole point of my argument in those last two paragraphs is that you fall back on the laws as your argument against my point, like I knew you would. The same law set (meaning the laws of the United States) that dictates that the age of consent is 18 is also the same set of laws that allows Loli smut. You can’t just pretend that isn’t the case.
I’m done, no more responses.
@BorisKitten, it's hard to have a discussion with a person that argues both sides of the fence. You're all over the place. You said that Japan and America have words for children, so loli means something else, underage sexually seductive child perhaps?
Wait, me calling someone sick for liking child porn makes me worse than them? Your ideology is so torturous it literally makes my brain hurt.
What point are you making? Like I said you're all over the place. I can't even follow what you're saying. Probably because you're autistic.
Loli smut is allowed because it's just a loophole. It's a loop in the law. It doesn't say "loli stuff is perfectly legal" it says "we can't stop it because we can't prosecute someone who can change evidence".
Now for some personal attacks. I'm over the peaceful debate portion of this. I've been entrenched in this battle for too long and all I've learned is you child loving, perverted, sick fvcks aren't going to change your mind, whatever.
@Smash Like Gaston, well but that’s just your personal maturity? So it’s based on mental maturity? Because I’ve always been a very mature person, if you asked 8 year old me something, I can basically guarantee he would make the same decisions current me would, when people did stupid things and blamed their age years later, I always found it idiotic because I’ve always been able to make rational decisions at any age. So are you saying that my age of consent should have been somewhere around 7? If we’re saying physical maturity, people can start maturing at like 9 or 10, but they don’t actually stop maturing until around 19, (24 or so if you count brain development or in some cases physical) yet the age of consent is 16 in most places in America, and my question was what makes 16 more correct than 13 (Japan’s age of consent) or 20 (south Korea’s)?
It’s not ok and it will never be ok
I mean she is like 500 years old.
That's not how you use the word "lewd".
What anime is that?
@kurumitokisaki , bakemonogatari. Or one of the sequels of it anyways. Her name is Shinobu.
Is this related to the Count Dankula thing?
Yep- Pretty much.