tacos are great
“Why be good if there’s no hell”
Um because I have a moral compass, and empathy, and sense I believe that this life is all we have, I want to make sure people remember me as a good person.
@Duncan5769, agreed. If someone needs to fear eternal punishment to be "good" I really don't think they're being "good"
@Duncan5769, Preach brother! Wait...
@Duncan5769, That, plus a prison sentence would seriously impact my lifetime earning potential and there’s a lot of stuff I still want to buy.
@Duncan5769, optimistic nihlism is the best outlook on life imo.
@Duncan5769, You should check out Sam Harris’ TED talk on how science can explain morality, it’s pretty interesting.
@Chicken0War, except fear can be an effective motivator to not do something. You are forgetting that most people are trash and without laws or divine fear, they would quickly devolve into anarchy. If the fear of hell keeps someone from committing murder, then that’s a good thing. The person isn’t good, but at least they won’t commit murder.
@Raki Zaki, citation needed
@Chicken0War, some of my religious friends do wonder this about me. Why I don't just do whatever I want when I want, and the reason being the law, and also I'd feel bad.
@Raki Zaki, I'm not forgetting anything, I'm simply pointing out what you are saying. I have no misconception that people dont suck as a whole, but I find it hypocritical for some to claim a moral high ground on the basis that their behavior is motivated by fear of punishment.
@Duncan5769, I don’t give a f*ck what people think of me but I know it feels shît to be an asshole and it feels real nice when you do something good so....
@Darth Panserbjorne, It's not a story the Jedi would tell you
@Chicken0War, most people are hypocrites. But I’m talking about actions, not morality. A person can contemplate murder for years, but until they commit the action it isn’t murder. If some divine fear keeps a person from sinning (killing, raping, stealing) then the presence of the divine fear is beneficial. Like I said, im basing this off of actions, not the morality of the person.
@Raki Zaki, We're having two completely different arguments I take it. I'm in no way condemning the religion, and I'm sorry if I came off that way.
@Duncan5769, yeah, that logic has always bothered me. You're basically saying that the only reason you don't murder/rape/etc. is for fear of divine retribution... That's not a good thing.
@Raki Zaki, yea but religion has caused a lot more deaths then it stops
@jerriest jerry , well since there are no statistics on that matter I’m going to have to say that you have no proof for that statement. Think about all the people religion has brought together and how it saves people from despair. Yeah a lot of bad stuff has happened in the past, but that doesn’t mean religion as a whole is bad. It’s just people that are shjtty. A lot of people have been killed by guns too, but that doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t be allowed to own them.
@Raki Zaki, i am thinking of that. And religoun can be a good thing but its but its not because like you said people are shītty
. Think of the wars started because if religoun. Not to mention both Christianity and islam were large influences of the african slave trade. Religoun has done some good for people and their lives but as a whole i view it as a negative to spread hate. But if the interent has tought me i wont be able to change your mind and i wont try to just want to show my views on the subject. I do beleive everyone has a choice and have a faith if they so choose and if religoun helps you and you dont spread hate through it or use it as an excuse to do terrible things that i am genuinely happy for you that it improves your life
Christians, guilt tripping people into religion is never a good approach.
-sincerely, a former Christian
@that1german, ah, a comrade, I too am a fellow former Christian. Leaving Sunday church behind has been heavenly all by itself 😊
As a Christian, this is an awful message and not at all what we're about 🤦♂️ now I want tacos
If the only reason a person is good is for the promise of divine reward then brother, that person is a piece of s*%t.
“Why be good if there’s no heaven?”
Because you’re not the only person on the planet and your actions have consequences for other people you self absorbed, short sighted cunt.
To the religious I shall pose a few questions to you please, think seriously about it. When you get to heaven what will you do? What will you do after that? Then what will you after that and after that and after that? There are not an infinite amount of things to do so, how will you keep yourself entertained for all of forever?
@eleven, I’ll just eat tacos dude...
@Toasty nipples , and after that?
@eleven, i think they get around that by being in heaven you’ll want nothing and have all you need? My family is cath but i aint religious, blind faith and no questions didn’t make me enjoy joining the fold
@Dexios S Divine, still sounds unimaginably boring to me
@eleven, solid question. The concept of eternity is always the thing that trips me up when I’m thinking about God. However this isn’t actually a question we have to answer per se. a common misconception (especially by Christians themselves)(oh, also, I’m a youth pastor) is that you die and ascend to a place called heaven. That’s not exactly how scripture explains it. When Jesus comes again essentially what is explained is that the world and all of creation will be restored to what it was originally intended to be. That being- humans were made to live in community and union with God but sin created that barrier - and the wages of sin is death. Therefore there would be no sin and death and life would look completely different. Now as far as what that looks like, we can speculate but there’s no way to really fully know. I know reading this would probably be enough for any atheist or agnostic to be like “well that right there is why I can’t buy into all that” which makes sense, there
is a lot of grey area there. But the logic of eternity isn’t why most Christians buy into faith in God in the first place. People buy into it because of the good they’ve personally experienced because of it. If you think about it, rarely does anyone buy into anything unless they can personally point toward the good they have seen done because of it. I know you can turn around and point to terrible things done by people who claim Christianity as well. But yeah. Long explanation basically saying - we don’t know know but that’s not really the point
@Chum dog, do you have free will in heaven?
@I Are Lebo, another great question, can’t say scripture speaks directly to that either. But I do think there would be a rigid dichotomy between our perception of what free will is currently vs what it would be if you eliminated the concept of sin as a whole. Which is entirely too much for me to wrap my head around but is an interesting thing to ponder, and once again, not the reason people typically stick to or abandon faith. Typically questions like these either solidify why someone has already left/never chose faith in the first place OR simply make the believer ponder the mysteries of who God is (which I know sounds like a cop out/lazy answer but when you get into things that are simply beyond human understanding you have to rest in what you’ve seen and experienced with the God You’re questioning and reconcile that with whether or not you think this question is worth stepping away from faith entirely over)
@Chum dog, hmm interesting answer never heard of that concept before
@eleven, you and most of us. I hadn’t until a few years back and I grew up very grounded in faith and scripture. Somewhere along the way we just adopted this idea that heaven is a magical place you go when you die when in actuality that’s not at all the way it’s explained. I mean there will be direct community with God and he resides in heaven so yes in a way, but what scripture explains is a restoration of creation- and creation is the physical world. Not meaning to preach at you or anyone else I just kinda enjoy nerding out over this stuff and if I have a chance to clear up a misconception I try to lovingly and peacefully do so. I hope tomorrow someone brings you a delicious donut.
Religion comes from morals, not the other way around
This person has their shjt together.
Mr. Taco would approve