If this is true, this woman deserves the gold medal for awesomeness in the "not giving a fvck" category
@Not him again, I mean, she's not wrong. Just sayin'
@Steve the cat, yeah but its not about her, its about her ancestors and what they had to suffer through
@Aegislash, right, it doesn't validate slavery, but it is ironic that the descendants of the slaves are way better off than the descendants of those who escaped slavery.
@Steve the cat, i guess but I would say it's debatable if all descendants are better off. Im sure many are but some for sure aren't.
@Steve the cat, it’s almost like colonialism destroyed a continent or something
@Aegislash, by almost every measurable category, income, access to education and healthcare, etc. people are "better off" in America than in Africa. Doesn't mean they are happier necessarily, but they certainly have more in a material sense. Even those below the poverty line here have much more than the middle class in many African countries.
@griffinstorme, colonialism didn't destroy Africa. It took advantage of an already bad situation. Slavery already existed between tribes before they came and still exists in Africa long after they left. At some point you have to put the blame where it should be or issues will never get solved. People have to want to be better and stop stepping on each other to get ahead. Extreme tribalism has always been Africa's biggest problem. If they can ever stop slaughtering and enslaving each other and begin to work together they might begin to see real change and growth.
@Aegislash, there is a difference between remembrance of one's heritage, and an entitlement or want of pity or recognition, for something that has not been subjected unto you. Just saying.
incidentally my ancestors were slaves to the British, the Romans, the Egyptians, as well as being indentured servants for the first two centuries of colonizing America.
Yet I do not cry out for social'wrongs' or equality, when being metiza in America is hardly easy.
we make our own lives,not the history of ancestors.
@terra559, you wouldnt be wrong to complain about some social wrongs though if inequality is in fact an ongoing issue. The problem i have with this lady is that she is just going to be used by people who dont like to address the past and the prevalence of racism today as proof that black people make up any feelings of inequality in their head. I agree that a lot of people play the victim too in our society, but I would argue that for her to say something that lacks so much context is irresponsible.
The media is going to lynch her over that comment
@SimonPetrikov, only if they think it's worth more than 3/5ths a normal person's.
@SimonPetrikov, she's clearly too white.
@SimonPetrikov, how backasswards would it be for a horde of white liberals to lynch a black woman in the name of social justice
@PigeonMan69, with today’s progressives... sounds like something they would do.
@big freedom, lol gets immediately downvoted by unswedishchef, the most intolerant “progressive” fp user. “I love diversity, as long as it agrees entirely with my point of view” - unprogressivechef
@PigeonMan69, sounds like a liberal thing to do
@SimonPetrikov, holy shjt what a comment
This is some Kanye level sh!t right here.
There’s a lot to unpack there
Can you imagine hiw much more raciat Ameeica would be if we never had slaves (because of the uter lack of a black population at that point). If we never had black slaves we likely wouldve never been under the social conditions that formed equal rights
@Guy Fawkes, slaves were treated like indentured servants at first where they would work for a certain amount of years and then given their freedom and some land. Obviously that changed to them being property without any chance of freedom. Do you really think we'd be less racist if generations of Americans weren't taught that black people are no better than the farming equipment that they're holding?
@Guy Fawkes, That may be somewhat true, but I think a lot of racism was inherited from the fact that owning people (mainly black people) was considered a “right” by many Americans, and when that “right” was taken away, many still believed that black people were lesser and should be treated that way, and that mind set was passed down for many many years, up until fairly recent history.
If the concept of “black people should be slaves” wasn’t ingrained in peoples brains from slavery, racism would’ve existed, but it never would’ve been as big of an issue as it was in America. Rights of blacks would’ve been viewed the same as other immigrants, but because they started at the bottom level, it took more of an effort to gain rights.
@MeddlingKid, the regular tools don’t complain as much
@MeddlingKid, if black peope were never integrated into the society we wouldve likely done much worse when they were introduced, i didnt in anyway imply what happend wasnt had but merely posed that it coukdve been much worse either way.
Also im aware of what an indentured servant is. but i see no reason to distinguish between the 2 as it was basically juat a ruse in the first place
@K1l, we were not the once to instill racism nor were we the first to hqve black slaves. The concept of owning slaves is older thqn even the idea if America. What i mean is if we wouldve never had that stark of a contrast we wouldnt have gotten a backlash and corrected ourselves as easily
@MeddlingKid, it might be like Japan. They can be pretty racist, but something like 98% are "Japanese." The lack diversity could contribute to racism due to lack of awareness, but nationalism and prewar xenophobia factor in too.
Without the slave trade, the largest minority group would probably be the Asians who immigrated to CA. who knows if they would be large enough to lead a social movement. but in this alternate reality the civil war probably didn't happen because the south would need a different economic structure, and we'd probably own most of Mexico, so who knows
@Guy Fawkes, I don’t think so. I do believe that maybe social racism would have lasted longer, but institutional discrimination and racism wouldn’t have been near as big of a hurdle to get over. Had black slavery in America not existed, racism towards blacks wouldn’t have been as extreme, because “black people are literally the lowest form of human life” wouldn’t have been as strongly ingrained in society’s minds. Like when mexicans and asians began immigrating over, they were treated poorly, but didn’t have to overcome near as many legal and social discriminations as black people did, becsuse the idea that they should be treated as slaves wasn’t ingrained into several generations minds. Black people would’ve been integrated into society the same way the rest of the immigrants were.
@K1l, it didnt just exisr in america. It wasnt as if they arived on this continent and were like "holy shít thats not an actual person, hiw did i not notice before". That was the common belief at the time. And i have no doubt we wouldve advanced either way. But i believe that the large influx (which effectively reduced their statistical "minority status") of slaves is what made it happen at the rime it did. if we wouldve been able to continue to effectively marginalise them they woukdve been much worse off. This is of course speculation im not pressenting this as fact but i think that through that devilish act we created the necessary circumstances to further the cause of equality
@wynaut, and by largest minority group I mean largest in time for a similar equality movement we experienced with African Americans. Hispanics are also a huge group, but to my knowledge they haven't had bursts of immigration, but instead a steady stream of immigrants. They're large enough to start a movement in current times
@MeddlingKid, they are also finding out that a majority of slaves were treated much more fairly most of the time than previously thought
I never understood this mentality of racism. I was taught that person is a person. It wasnt until I joined up with the military that I learned that racism is a huge problem.
I dont get it. We all live and die. We all have parents at some point and all of us lose them sooner or later. We all have bodies. We all bleed and breed.
I just dont understand the whole thing.
...At some point in history was there just.. Some white dude like..
White guy: "oh look, someone darker than me......
That must mean im better."
Whoch doesnt... In any way, shape or form... Make any sense.
@JacieTwisted, Racism has existed for as long as different people have interacted with each other. Human beings, under different circumstances, create different things, perform different actions, and think in different manners or come up with their own deity’s to try and brings some semblance of balance into their lives. Despite being creatures of chaos, humans do tend to try and force things/creatures/people to their will to have some level on control. Throw another person into the mix that has a different idea of how they want to control life it upsets the perceived balance the other person had made for themselves. Bottom line, since time immemorial people have feared and hated what was different from what they considered normal. Only in recent centuries have we begun to move past such points of contention as our knowledge and understanding grows, but, like with many other things, some instincts still remain that some are incapable of getting a handle on.
@JacieTwisted, slavery based on skin color is extraordinarily recent relative to slavery’s existence
@JacieTwisted, as a descendent of Scottish people, I can tell you that white people have been enslaved as well. Ask the Jewish people, they have some knowledge about this as well.
Also, There are more slaves today throughout the world than during the slave trade from Africa to the Americas.
@Horus, There’s more to it than that, but yes, you are not at all wrong about slavery based on skin color.
@big freedom, Same could be said of the Irish as well. Scots and Irish suffered quite a bit at the hands of the British, but that’s due to cultural differences so they were viewed as savages. And as for more slaves today that’s simply a result of the much larger world population. I know you’ve already probably drew that conclusion, but this is just me musing in text format.
Probably better to worship a tree than money
@LegitAsian, that’s debatable.
@prxjxct, not really; money can be exchanged for goods and services. A tree's depends on its size, species l, whether it can produce fruit, all which factor into the of money it can be exchanged for
@LegitAsian, Money is made from paper, which is usually made from trees. Would that make money trees? It’s not a serious question, I’m only goofing.
@TerryColdfire, tends to be mainly cotton actually
@Nosferatu Zodd, Oh crap you’re right! I had just woken up when I commented that so my brain wasn’t fully functioning. Thanks for your enlightenment. :)
@TerryColdfire, Money is not made from paper. Dollar bills are. Dollar bills are not money, but rather a fiat.
@LegitAsian, I mean, what is money other than fancy paper.
She's not technically wrong. But that's a keep it to yourself kinda statement.
@hollow114, If it's correct, why shouldn't it be ok to say?
@Doctor Yak, because of the implications behind it. It may be technically correct but it's not right. Think. "Well my dad beat me for 15 years but then he paid for my college". Who's to say if we didn't rape Africa they wouldn't be doing just fine.
@hollow114, but they're just facts. It would be fine to say that if it were true. It doesn't make the fact that it happened ok, but it's important to acknowledge reality, no matter how ugly it might be, and to refrain from doing so because "it might hurt someone's feelings" or "it's a painful memory" or whatever other inconsequential reason a person might have is, frankly, pusilanimous and cowardly at best, and disingenuous and harmful at worst.
I realize her choice of words leaves a lot to be desired, but the sentiment of what she's saying (that she's glad to be an American and doesn't hold slavery against anyone because it's in the past) is both truthful and reasonable.
Can we stop telling black people how they should feel about slavery.
@TomPholio, well when someone says something stupid, they deserve to be criticized. Even if they genuinely feel that way, it’s still messed up.
It’s like a jew saying “im glad the Holocaust happened. If it wasn’t for it, i would probably have been born in Germany instead of America, and I like America better.”
It’s ridiculous to be thankful for the suffering of thousands-even millions of people, just because you now live in a nice country. Black, asian, jew, or whatever, I don’t care. If you say you’re grateful for millions of people’s suffering, you’re a dick.
@K1l, *typed on a smartphone made in a sweatshop by thousands of oppressed asians* yeah I definitely am never grateful for the suffering of others so I can have a better life *puts phone down and definitely not thinking about the thousands of men who died alone and screaming on a distant battlefield securing my freedoms*
Hmmm..... no comment
If only people were this Logical and Rational... *sigh*
We can't fix the masses of stupid though. :/
Hahahahahahahahahahaha I have no idea how to respond to this without pissing someone off! That makes me happy.
I mean... it’s true.
This must be uncle Tom's wife.
Get the strap!!