-Hannah, as she watches the shjtstorm in the comments
@alphy616, I'm honestly a little convinced Hannah is a bot.
@Jdrawer, she occasionally comments but yeah, strong possibility
Welp time to get my umbrella for this shlt storm
How did this get 16 downvotes???
@Murphlins, because some people’s feelings don’t care for facts
Gender fluid is complete nonsense. So is gender identity. Sex and gender are synonymous. You either produce sperm or ova. That's all there is. Work whatever reputable job you want. Be a male hairstylist. Be a female football coach. But stop acting like everyone has to call you something you're not.
@blueguy10168, I used to think this too actually! But after I looked up what sex and gender actually meant, I totally switched my position. Spoiler (sex:biology, gender:culture/personality) Unfortunately people have often used gender as a more polite way of saying sex, so people have conflated their definitions.
Hope this helps!
@blueguy10168, thank you for openly admitting to being an asshole
@Jessie02, Good to see you again. Try to keep a calmer head okay? Don't enable others' delusion.
@dfrog3, I appreciate the thoughtful response! I do agree that it's been used as a polite word for sex. However, masculinity and femininity are personality, not gender. What you like or what you do for work, how you live is culture, not gender.
@blueguy10168, This is from the dictionary. Basically gender less biology, and more culture.
either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
@blueguy10168, yet another privileged statement from an uneducated djck weasel.
@dfrog3, I understand the definition that's out there lately. But even suggesting there's an identity that doesn't correlate with your sex isn't correct. You are either male or female. There is no in between. Hermaphrodites and intersex still only make sperm or eggs. So I know what you're saying, and I understand it's what a lot of folks are trying to say, but I simply don't see it that way.
@Shadico, oh boy aren't you a fun one. I'm not privileged. I feel for those whose mind isn't sure about their body, and I hope they find a solution for their mental illness. But that solution doesn't extend to me changing how I address them.
@blueguy10168, if you saw someone wearing a dress, having long hair, wearing high heels, and wearing lipstick, would you say they are male or female and why?
@Shadico, this is directed at blue guy. @blueguy10168, you can block me from downvoting but that doesn't make you less of a transphobic asshole. Wish this app would let you completely block people.
@Jessie02, Top kek. I'm not transphobic. And blocking people? Yeah just silence anyone who disagrees with you. That's super healthy. I haven't blocked anyone. Didn't know you could.
@dfrog3, assume female from a distance, but you can look for general build differences, Adam's apple, voice. If it was a slender guy with a feminine voice dressed in drag and makeup and I couldn't tell, then female. But if that was a male, then I'd be wrong in calling him a female regardless of looks.
@blueguy10168, so you are saying you would assume female based entirely on what they were wearing if you couldn’t see anything physical?
@dfrog3, your fashion choices do not determine your gender. Make and female are more meaningful than hair, clothing, and makeup.
Primary, secondary, and tertiary sexual characteristics exist. There’s no denying this. We are biologically programmed to discern these characteristics, and since most clothing serves to accentuate these characteristics, unless the cross dresser is wearing costume type clothing it is typically apparent the sex or gender of an individual.
There are outliers, but to pretend there’s no difference between the outliers and the norm is folly.
@Jessie02, disagreeing with the notion that gender is subjective or socially constructed is not equivalent to transphobia. That is not how you get to a common understanding, that is how you shut down the conversation. No one sane or reasonable is arguing that trans or non binary people aren’t people or don’t deserve basic human dignity. The idea that how someone identifies should be respected at face value when it conflicts with reality is a bad idea. More so that this should be socially (or legally) compulsory.
That’s the whole objection. That isn’t bigotry.
@dfrog3, if I could see nothing else, than sure. But there's nearly always something visible to tell me a person's sex. I'm not 100% accurate, but I will go by pronouns that fit the appearance. If you're a broad shouldered dude in a halter top, I'm calling you a dude. You don't get to substitute reality for your own incorrect self-view.
@blueguy10168, if I encounter someone and I’m unsure what their sex is, I’ll simply avoid using any pronouns until (or if) I can be confident. But if there’s a man with a five o’clock shadow in a dress demanding he’s a woman because that’s how he identifies, I’m not going to support his delusion. He’s free to not associate with me, we don’t have to be friends. I don’t understand the idea that I have to respect the feelings of trans people but they don’t have to respect mine. I reject this double standard that places trans people above criticism or disagreement.
@I Are Lebo, I will generally try to use a name rather than pronouns for the rare cases. We're in agreement, so I have no argument to continue. Like you said, no one has to like me, be around me, or be friends. I do have a question though. I've seen you comment on plenty of posts that you're trans yourself, so you can imagine it's surprising to hear you speak on the issue in the way you do here. Are you simply that easy going, where people call you your born sex, that you aren't bothered? Or did you realize you were born the way you are, and while you wish for the other, you've accepted yourself as designed?
@blueguy10168, the latter. I realized I’m trans when I was 13, and because of separate issues relating to my disability and lifestyle (I’m high functioning autistic and had a LOT of behavioural issues growing up) transitioning was never a practical option for me. I suppressed the feelings for a long time, during which puberty hit me like a ton of bricks. I’m 6’3”, with really broad shoulders and masculine features. I’ve done the research, and the reality is that ten million dollars and the worlds best surgeons MIGHT be able to make a passable woman out of me, and I’d still be a freak of a woman. Since I don’t have access to those kinds of resources, I may as well be wanting superpowers for how attainable the dream is.
I’m close enough to crazy as it is, so I’m altogether too aware that cross dressing and playing into the fantasy that what I feel like can be held over reality is a pathway that I KNOW will lead to my suicide.
If molecular surgery or transformation booths or whatever
were real, I’d go for them in a heartbeat and do whatever I had to in order to gain access. Hell, I love my dog like any other dog lover but if I found a working satanic ritual that would magically transform me into a woman and it requires me sacrifice my dog, I might actually do it. The desire is that strong (I’d hate myself for doing something so evil but I would probably do it anyway if I was completely convinced it’d work).
Hell, if I had the slightest notion of how to make a transformation booth reality, I’d spend the rest of my life trying to invent the technology and consider it a good life if I made any progress.
But I must accept reality for what it is. The technology does not exist to make a woman out of a man. You look at celebrities who have transitioned, the Watchowskis and Caitlyn Jenner, and it’s readily apparent that they are still men.
I’ve been in multiple trans support groups through my life and have known many trans people. For every trans person that actually
passes, there’s a dozen that simply can’t.
This problem is getting worse when it should be getting better. The technology improved so slowly between the 70s when SRS was first being taken seriously and the 00s because it was still a taboo subject for most medical practitioners. Now that trans people are in the spotlight the process is receiving much more acceptance. Yet at the same time the societal push is for trans people to be accepted regardless of how far they have or are willing to transition.
Riley Dennis is a good example of this. He is an outspoken trans activist on YouTube who claims to be a trans woman lesbian in spite of him having taken no hormone replacement or surgeries of any kind. That makes him a cross dressing male, that’s all.
This watering down of what gender means isn’t healthy or helpful, to either the individual or society.
@I Are Lebo, Goodness, I should've expected such a verbose reply. Yes I can certainly see that being so tall and masculine, it would be quite difficult to pass. Plus there's the maintenance required to keep that appearance, something your body will actively fight you on. I'm glad you are self aware enough to stick with what you're born as. It makes for easier transaction with society at large. As for the dream, and the lengths you would go to to attain it, I cannot relate. I cannot understand why someone would deny their own form in favor for another that's so incredibly different. Of course people wish they were taller, stronger, more voluptuous, etc, but to change so drastically, I can understand the suicide rate. As for Riley, why can't he accept that he's a straight guy? Do you wake up each morning wishing you were not you? I'm aware of the personal nature of my questions, but do not feel obligated to answer. You're the first reasonable trans person I've spoken to in my limited
Contact with the human race. Even if the technology was there, there's still a high number of suicide among those that pass, last I heard at any rate. 40% drops to 28% or so?
@blueguy10168, yeah, I can be particularly eloquent. It’s a complicated issue.
I’d rather learn to live with my body as it is, rather than have to cope with seeing a form that’s halfway between reality and fantasy.
It’s a combination of disassociative disorders and a childhood in which you are constantly told you can be whatever you want to be in life. This is why transgenderism is so much more common among millennials than other generations.
It’s a matter of envy, mostly. Women are free in society in ways men aren’t, as well as are generally more highly valued by society at large. In addition, women have biological advantages in many areas unrelated to strength. Beauty (or even cuteness) is something few men can attain and brute strength has little appeal to me.
As far as I’m aware, the ~40% suicide rate is unaffected by passing or surgery. The feelings of dysphoria simply don’t go away, and they are left hopeless after going so far and having it mean nothing.
@I Are Lebo, not a problem at all. Rather have a lot of words than the kind of thing Jessie up there tends to go for.
This whole 'you can be whatever you want' thing seemed to be taught without the need for hard work to accomplish that. I also do understand that certain likes or jobs are feminine and masculine, making men who like feminine thing and women who like masculine things 'odd', and give them the thought that maybe they should be the other sex. We used to have tomboys. Now we have trans men.
The upper 20s something I'd only heard once, and that was for the small group of trans that can pass and are called what they prefer to be. I'll have to find the reference if I can.
As far as cuteness goes - well, I'm pretty much a man's man. I don't care for cute things, and value strength for its usefulness in performing tasks. Not exactly something to take pride in, but I'm glad to be able to lift stuff for those who can't. Women are better at nurturing.
But if you're a nurturing male or a stronger female, then suddenly you're different and get the thought you were born in the wrong body. I know that society often pushes men to do labor and women to be caretakers, but that doesn't mean all caretakers will be female, nor should they be. Gender roles are polarizing, but widely true. However if you don't fit them, I see no reason you can't just be a guy that likes to paint, or a girl who likes to work on cars.
@blueguy10168, as a 6’3” man, being cuddled or comforted or cared for aren’t really on the table. I can be strong or I can be weak but I can’t really be vulnerable.
That’s why the whole conversation about toxic masculinity bothers me so much. The same people who are arguing that men can be sensitive and feminine are the same ones that mock men for doing so.
It also drives me crazy with the victim complex. Women are claiming society devalues them, but who are the first ones to be released from a hostage situation? A woman can walk up to me on the street and stab me, and if I hit her back there are many who would consider me the villain and her the victim.
It’s no wonder so many men are identifying as women. Just from making the claim you go from a group that the mainstream left holds responsible for literally everything wrong in society to a class of people made out to be above criticism or insult.
My feelings have shifted somewhat on the issue because of these lunatic women and the stupid but well meaning men who have bought into their propaganda.
The wage gap, the pink tax, mansplaining, misgendering, these things are really hurting society and they’re based on fantasy and delusion.
@I Are Lebo, I disagree. I think you can be held, in a sense. Not as you might be able to hold a 5'10" gal, but there's ways for comfort that should be possible. I know society frowns on men for being sensitive and not growing a pair, and if I'm honest, on occasion I think the same.
But there's plenty of times where being vulnerable is understandable, and there should be more people willing to come alongside you. Sure I'm uncomfortable around another crying dude than a woman, but clearly there's a good reason for the reaction. I'd even argue it's a worse or more important reason that males cry, since they're taught not to.
Women are not victims. They rarely have been. But they are held to higher value simply because they are seen as honorable or pure as opposed to the rougher looking males. I can understand why, but I don't think it's agreeable. Sadly there is much work to do with these issues, but people trying to change genders and cry when they cannot are not helping matters.
@blueguy10168, I agree on every point. One does not need to change their hormones or body parts to buck gender norms or stereotypes. The grass is always greener on the other side, and obsessing over what one can’t have leads to bitterness and resentment. Down that path lies the dark side.
And this is reality, so the dark side doesn’t have any cool powers. Just loneliness and anger.
@I Are Lebo, I just really hope people can settle down more like you have, and learn to be comfortable where and about who they are. Thank you for sharing your insights and views with me today. This has been a helpful and wonderful conversation!
@blueguy10168, thank you quite sincerely for the compliment. This has been enjoyable for me as well.
I feel the need to point out, however, that there is a hypocritical element to my advice. I’m not using it. I suffer greatly with depression and low self motivation, and I hold what even I can recognize as an unhealthily nihilistic attitude. I’m not a positive role model, I simply value critical thinking and an honest appraisal of a situation rather than wanting to simply be right or comfortable.
The truth is I’m quite uncomfortable with who and what I am, I simply recognize that pretending isn’t going to make me feel better, especially if my self identity becomes so fragile that any stranger not enforcing it causes me great anxiety or even panic or loss of control.
@I Are Lebo, I understand where you're coming from to some degree. It's often easy to hand out advice you know is good, even if you don't take it yourself. Nihilistic, I'm right there with you most likely, though I've mostly kicked depression myself.
I wish there was a way to help you. Some way to solve this issue. The problem I see is that a lot of people have no self drive, and rely on outside help too much. Weren't taught basic life skills by parents. I can only hope in time you come to terms with how you were born.
@blueguy10168, I very much appreciate the sentiment.
The problem as I see it is compounded. I struggle with a disability combined with a dissociative obsession while being intelligent and cognizant enough to be aware of both things. That’s combined with a pattern of world affairs and history that’s led me to conclude that the chances of humanity going extinct within the next millennia are really, uncomfortably high. At the same time I have a contempt for humanity (including myself) for a number of reasons. Ultimately though, I can’t trust my own perspectives because my disability combined with my depression and attitude are very likely to have skewed my perception.
So the end result is I’ve been stuck in a rut for the last ten years, unable to muster the motivation to care about anything but unwilling to practice self harm out of consideration for my family.
I really mean that. No matter how dark things get, I refuse to put my family through that kind of pain. I’ve said this for a
long time, but it’s even more close to home now for me.
A friend of mine’s father committed suicide just last week. The funeral was Friday. That same friend’s 30th birthday is tomorrow, and he’s getting married in three months. And his dad isn’t going to be there for any of it.
There are some instances of suicide where I understand. Robin Williams, as an example. But this friend of mine was betrayed by his father who decided escaping his misery meant more than being there for his family and that’s just a tragedy.
Anyway, to make a super long story short, I’ve been seeing a therapist and getting support in getting my life under control, but I kinda hate how often I’m hearing the phrase “one day at a time”.
@I Are Lebo, you have lots of internal struggle, combining all of these things together. You need to find something to invest in, if that's at all possible. Yourself and your thoughts, at least. Personally, I don't really care too much about humanity in general outside of my small circle. But same for death as well, I won't rush it out of fear to hurt my family, and I wouldn't want to snuff out future potential.
Im sorry to hear the tale of your friend. It's very rough to have it happen so close to these happy moments, though it makes me wonder how bad his father must have been. I don't see a good reason for suicide, at all. People should look within to find that something, or that skill they enjoy. After a decade I'm sure it seems hopeless, but there must be something out there for everyone, even you. You may have to turn around or cast aside these ailments, but with how intelligent you are, I believe you can, for what it's worth.
@blueguy10168, I think it’s worth a lot. And I agree, I need something I can dedicate myself to. Haven’t found it yet. Hope one day I do and that it doesn’t happen too late.
In the meantime, there’s always substance abuse. 🥳
@I Are Lebo, Oh for Pete's sake. Yes there's much better things to do. Perhaps a trade or a craft of some kind?
@blueguy10168, I was mostly joking. While I do use medicinal marijuana to manage a chronic pain condition that I have no idea how I left off the previous list (given I’ve literally been in constant pain of varying levels since I was 14), but I exercise moderation and restraint. I am an addict, but I’m not losing myself in addiction I’m managing it and being smart about it.
I also don’t use anything stronger than weed, and even that’s so that I don’t have to use opioids.
My go to has always been video games and reading. I’m a great writer but self motivating is really hard. I’m looking to make a twitch account and stream Mario Maker 2 stuff once that comes out. Hopefully that goes well.
@I Are Lebo, Constant pain on top of everything? I can see how the fight to survive would be exceptionally difficult. I wished medicine would be able to help you fix that much at least, but if it's weed, it sounds more like pain management. At least you can relax and put your mind to tasks like reading. I'd encourage you to find work, something to occupy yourself with, but with everything you have going on, I can't imagine that would be easy to find. I do hope you can gain a boost in confidence from twitch at least. I don't game like I used to (or watch streams, personally at all) but I have heard Mario maker ought to be rather fun for those who like that kind of thing.
@blueguy10168, one massive advantage I have is that being high functioning autistic I can more thoroughly lose myself in a task. I can use video games as pain relief because I can so deeply immersive myself that I can become oblivious to my surroundings and situation.
I’m not a big attention whore (at least not online), and I don’t really understand social media.
I go on here for discussions and debates rather than facebook or twitter partly because of the simplified interface and partially because here it’s far less likely to lead to real life consequences.
My twitch account is the same as my username on here, but with underscores instead of spaces. I haven’t uploaded anything yet and have barely used the site.
@I Are Lebo, that does sound like an aid to the overall situation, but also a sort of double edged sword.
I get you on the social media stuff. I don't have Facebook or Twitter. Or twitch either. I was convinced to get a discord late 2017 though. I'm rarely on this app in the comment section but it's typically for debate or remarks.
As for real life consequences, with all the nonsense about calling people out for certain speech, easy to see why you'd stay off Twitter and the like.
@blueguy10168, yeah a bit of a double edge. I’m currently playing through 7 Days to Die for what will probably be the very last time. I’m trying to max out my character, which is really time consuming. My relief and my addiction are the same thing, so it’s a struggle to not spend 10+ hours a day gaming.
I have a Facebook but I’ve not logged on in months. I also have a Twitter but quickly gave up. I’m on Minds, and it’s the same thing. Any time I actually have something to say I have to second guess myself because I’m legitimately concerned about hate speech laws and website backups. Anything you post on Facebook or twitter can be found even if you delete the post later. Whereas on here, if you don’t know the pic ID you can’t find it. Since the picture is usually unrelated or only tangentially related to the post, you can’t even really search by picture type.
Unless I or someone else tags the pic with something and stores that data somewhere, no one is going to be able a specific post
@blueguy10168, also, you’ve probably noticed I’m rather outspoken about the trans stuff. While I wouldn’t truly mind being the first person in Canada to actually get arrested for that, I’d rather not invite that kind of trouble upon myself.
I’d really hate to pull my life together only for a tweet from now to end up ruining my life in ten years.
@I Are Lebo, Oh cool, I have enjoyed that title from time to time. Though ten hours is quite a while. Wouldn't taking a bike ride or something like that help break up the times better? I'm sure I'm not suggesting anything new, but I'm curious.
I say what I like regardless of potential trouble. I simply don't need Facebook or Twitter. My family has phone numbers to call. I need few people, so networking and things are not important. Discord keeps me busy enough.
I'm sorry to hear you live up there. I was disappointed to hear about the new laws up there. If someone were to be arrested for it, it would set a serious precedent. This nonsense of people being fired for things from ages ago (like papa johns) needs to stop. It's ridiculous.
@blueguy10168, it takes a long time because it’s a sandbox game. There’s a lot to do, and maxing out crafting skills takes a LOT of resources and maxing out combat skills takes a LOT of zombies. I’m fat and lazy but I’m also taking a Krav Maga course (I’m there right now taking a break lol) to try to stay in shape. I play that long because that’s what I want to do. When Mario Maker 2 comes out, I’ll undoubtably put several thousand hours on it.
I like debates and arguments and sometimes the funny pics forums aren’t enough for me. Still, I’ve seen so many people screwed over for wrong think online. It’s worrisome.
I like living in Canada on the whole. As far as I’m aware Bill C-16 hasn’t actually led to any arrests, but I’m convinced it’s only a matter of time until someone offends the wrong trans person or trans activist. We’re nowhere near as crazy as the UK or places like Oregon or parts of LA.
I’m still angry about James Gunn being fired for a thirteen year old tweet.
@I Are Lebo, Krav Maga sounds like a Russian Trump summit lol. Still, I'm glad you're being active/proactive against being sedentary all the time. 7dtd is fun for me but I typically take zombies out of the game and just more, survive.
I'm worried too, but I think at some point things will balance out. I just hope that balance lands favorably.
That being said, I'm surprised c16 hasn't led to arrests yet. I sort of expected it to. Though also true, UK and more liberal US states are insane. If you can be fired over some ancient view held ages ago, then that just seems like people don't bother to look at people critically anymore. Easier to judge from a single comment and fill in the blanks.
@blueguy10168, Krav Maga is Israeli self defence.
My go to with 7DtD is max zombie spawning never running with 2 hour days, minimum item spawn and disabled respawn on the easiest difficulty. For a while I was playing hardcore where it was hardest difficulty with feral zombies that never run but spawn max, and I’d delete the world if I died. I never made it past day 20. Mines and random dogs became the bane of my existence.
I too am surprised by how C-16 has turned out. I looked over the legislation and Professor Peterson’s claims were accurate. They CAN be used to claim that rudeness to a trans person on the basis of poor fashion is a hate crime. The fact that it hasn’t happened doesn’t tell us anything. Did someone try this and it was thrown out or has the situation simply not come up yet? Who can say? There’s been no coverage of it is all I know.
@Jessie02, you’re so quick to call out someone as an asshole but when they actually defend their point of view and demonstrate why their position isn’t based off of hatred, you’re silent. Why is that?
@I Are Lebo, I don't doubt it, it just seemed funny. As for 7dtd, wow that sounds tough. I've died to mine's too many times. You're a madman!
I'm wondering if it simply hasn't just been hushed. I can't imagine everyone up there is just "decent enough" to follow the law to the letter.
@blueguy10168, yeah, it doesn’t really make sense to me. There have been a number of things covered up for a while. I read about an incident in Calgary a month ago that happened in 2014 where an indigenous woman walked up to a random white woman, declared “I hate white people” and punched her in the face, knocking two of the woman’s teeth out. The indigenous woman was arrested and charged with assault, but it was ruled to NOT be a hate crime or racially motivated.
There is the possibility it’s happened but not been reported on, but I find it unlikely. More likely that it’s been reported but not covered by mainstream sources. It’s a hot button topic though, I don’t see any right wing sources passing up the opportunity.
Thinking that your gender is gender fluid is deciding that reality is less important than you wanting to feel special.
@I Are Lebo, attacking people for a social identification thats a constructed abstraction to begin with is deciding to feel smug and superior instead of minding your own and letting people live their lives in a way that never appreciably negatively affects anyone
@Hoban Washburne, thinking that gender is a constructed abstraction just makes you wrong.
As I have said repeatedly, I am 100% in favour of letting people live their lives however makes them happy as long as it isn’t at the expense of those around them. A person who is a boy one day and a girl the next that gets offended or aggravated that the people around them don’t adapt their language to support their delusion that their gender is dependent on their mood is living their lives at the expense of those around them.
You gender is NOT determined by your mood or your feelings. Period. There’s no counter argument to this fact that doesn’t also support transracialism and transagism. It’s delusional to subscribe to this belief and tyrannical to shut down disagreement with it.
It has nothing to do with smugness or superiority whatsoever.
@I Are Lebo, yes
I’m pretty done with all the flame war shjt. Can we stop posting these now? Clearly most of the community feels one way and the minority that feels the other fights with them and gets downvoted. We all clear on the outcome? Good let’s move on...
@Pseudonymble , You called?
@Pseudonymble , no, I love these. Gtfo
@Pseudonymble , I disagree with your opinion about not posting these and will now argue until someone gets downvoted
@Medic135, I mean... you downvoted him so I guess the arguments over?
@Medic135, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
@Medic135, i was gonna downvote you as a joke but I don't want to take you off of the top comments.
@Blasphemy is Fun, Did he? Huh ironic.
@Medic135, I thought this was a meta joke until I realized you downvoted me lol.
She can swallow my gender fluid
I am not LGBT so I can't understand their side of the argument nor the way they feel. I do however respect their struggle and value the impact they have made on society. I like people. People deserve to be happy as long as they put forth the effort for it.
@Op1992, so long as that is reciprocated, and I'm allowed to be a straight, fat, white married person without be made to feel like a minority, or like I am entitled, or like I think I'm superior, people can be whatever they want to be. That's big of me, right? Lol
@Op1992, what valuable impact has the lgbt community, or specifically the gender fluid community, made to society?
As far as I can tell they’ve made society better for themselves while simultaneously making it worse for everyone else.
As an example, the trans community has been in direct conflict with female athletes and have cost them championships and fair competition.
@BlazingBowman, you called?
@K1l, to be fair, I only take issue with the TQ part and feel it's unfair to the LGB's to lump them all together
@Medic135, what’s wrong with the TQ part?
@K1l, besides the part where the Ts scream bloody murder at you when they look like a man(are biologically men) and you accidentally call them sir?
@PoisonousBacon, right, those handful of people on the internet represent an entire minority
@K1l, when the rest of their minority doesn’t denounce them, yes, yes they do
@PoisonousBacon, yeah, putting on women’s clothing and wearing your hair long does not make one “A MA’AM”
@PoisonousBacon, most of them do, they just don’t bring it up constantly. That would be like saying that the KKK represents all conservatives because conservatives dont denounce them constantly.
@K1l, hilarious that you bring up the KKK when the democrats and not the conservatives created it, and provide a source for the prominent lgbtqwhatever organization that openly denounced this man for blowing up at a clerk for no reason please. Whatever group you are apart of is represented by their loudest member, and this “Ma’am” was very loud.
@PoisonousBacon, Yeah, the KKK were created as democrats, but back then the Democrats were conservative and Republicans liberal. They switched at some point in the 20th century. With a basic knowledge of American history post-civil war you’d know that. KKK always considered themselves in the conservative party. Even ignoring history, that’s how it is now - David Duke and members of the KKK consider themselves Republican. So my point stands either way.
No, your group is not represented by the loudest, it’s represented by the majority. And a group does not have to denounce individual acts. It’s unfair to associate a single person with an entire group, however “loud” they may be.
@K1l, the idea that the democrats and republicans switched sides is a widely spread myth that isn’t backed up by reality. It’s like the wage gap. It’s believed only by those who don’t actually examine the evidence with a critical eye.
@I Are Lebo, Republicans and democrats switching political leaning is real.
Republicans in the 1800s:
Wikipedia: “Founded in 1854, the GOP originally subscribed to classical liberalism and took ideological stands that were anti-slavery and pro-economic reform”
Democrats in the 1800s:
Wikipedia: The Democrats' dominant worldview was once social conservatism and economic liberalism while populism was its leading characteristic in the rural South”
So yeah, they flipped over the course of the 20th century.
@K1l, no, they really didn’t. Democrats of today are not classical liberals and Republicans aren’t the ones chasing populism.
Some ideals have changed over the course of time, but the primary goals of democrats seeking large government and republicans seeking small government haven’t changed. You’re cherry picking to support the idea that there was a concentrated effort to switch the two parties when that didn’t happen.
Also, the democrats remain the most racist party and always have been. The only change is their switch from overt condemnation of blacks to being the overt condemnation of whites while practicing soft bigotry against blacks.
In addition, Wikipedia is still a shït source for credible information.
@I Are Lebo,
If you dont like Wikipedia, ill site other sources
Live science: lSo, sometime between the 1860s and 1936, the (Democratic) party of small government became the party of big government, and the (Republican) party of big government became rhetorically committed to curbing federal power”
Factmyth.org: : “The parties changed over time as platform planks, party leaders, factions, and voter bases essentially switched between parties. Third parties aside, the Democratic Party used to be favored in the rural south and had a “small government” platform (which southern social conservatives embraced), and the Republican party used to be favored in the citied north and had a “big government” platform (which northern progressive liberals embraced).”
Other sources of my stance include my U.S Post Civil-War history course that primarily focuses on this exact issue. Unless you think my University has some conspiracy to rewrite history.
@K1l, conspiracy, no. Ideological commitment to ideas that may not be accurate, possibly.
I admit that there is a gray area here where my own educational background may be failing me. I acknowledge the plausible reality that the democrats and republicans of today may in fact be different than the democrats and republicans of 100 years ago. But the point is moot.
Democrats are the ones who further ideologically and racially motivated attitudes. The idea of the White Man’s Burden is one pushed not by right wingers but by left wingers. There are bigots on both sides, but I see a vast difference between the right wing fringe marching in Charlottesville and the mainstream left wing endeavouring to make abortion as available as possible to the poor black communities with the leadership of groups like Planned Parenthood specifically targeting black women as potential ‘customers’.
Racism is not unique to either side, but it seems relegated to the fringe right and the mainstream left.
I have no problem with transgender men or women, but gender fluid isn't a thing, pick one or the order
Jesus christ this just makes so much arguments can we stop with these
@communistcat, *doesn't want to argue* *also uses a religious leaders name inappropriately*
@communistcat, *so many arguments* This is the internet. You will not, and can not, be taken seriously with poor grammar. Trying to help you out, mate.
@Mr Literal, humans don’t. It’s not a normal naturally occurring phenomen in humans, who do not and can not change genders. Your argument is ridiculous. That’s like saying that fish and frogs can breathe water so someone claiming to be a mer-person is a reasonable claim.
The fish and frogs that can switch gender transform biologically. They don’t identify as something and then think that makes it so.
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@Mr Literal, it is not possible to sidestep or substitute evolution. Adaptation is an ongoing process that is inescapable. Your definition of “expanding our brains instead of our genetics” is nonsense. You are using education as a substitute for evolution as if they are comparable and they are not.
As for the technology to blend species together, leave the planet, or replace body parts with technology, you would benefit from leaving the science fiction behind and looking at reality because that’s entirely false. Selective breeding is not blending together species, we have no long term settlements off of the planet, and prosthetic limbs are not advanced enough to actually count as technological replacement.
Transgenderism is anomalous. This is basic fact. The term ‘unnatural’ has no place in the discussion because it’s subjective. The internet is unnatural, doesn’t make it bad.
Your example of “taking one thing out of millions and saying it’s wrong” is fallacious reasoning. By that
logic you cannot discuss ANYTHING.
We do not have the knowledge we need to give a person the happiness they seek in the gender they feel more comfortable as, that’s why the trans suicide rate is higher than any other demographic, and that rate does not go down after SRS.
No one is born with two genders. That is factually inaccurate. Some children are born with deformed or mutated genitalia, and failure to correct that often results in medical complications later in life. Hermaphroditism is rarer than children being born with additional limbs, and it doesn’t make them a third gender any more than those other children are their own species.
Sex is not assigned at birth, it is observed. In most instances of unclear anatomy, the genitals of one sex are not properly developed. Either a rudimentary penis is attached above the vulva or the vulva is disconnected from any interior uterus. There are more people born with a tail or three arms than people born with functional penis and vagina.
As for no way to know that those who are transgender having a brain that’s a different gender, there’s no way to know that is even possible until such time as it’s been demonstrated. Brains do not have their own sex separate from the body. Dissociative disorders are a perception issue, not a biological issue.
And just to help you be more accurately informed on the matter, I’m trans. I’ve done my research, and while my attitude is that people should be free to live their lives however they want to, that doesn’t mean that every harebrained or non scientific opinion should be respected. Gender fluidity has zero basis in science, biology, or sociology. It exists purely as a psychological dissociative disorder.
(Sorry for the super long reply but you brought up a lot of points I wanted to address)
@I Are Lebo, Thank you for explaining your understanding of this subject. I am always glad to assimilate more information.
@Mr Literal, I’m happy to be helpful. I want to share my perspective on the issue because I don’t have any hatred for people wanting to live their lives however they want. But when we disregard reality in favour of fantasy, it’s not healthy. And when we do that with the expectation that everyone around us should be obligated to support our fantasy, that breaks down societal cohesion.
All people should be treated with respect, acceptance, and understanding. The same is not true of all opinions.
I identify as bigender
"I wonder what the comments are like" *sees 105 comments* "nope"
I saw somewhere that people feel like they are genderfluid if they are actually trans but their gender dysphoria is sometimes bigger and sometimes smaller so on some days they feel more musculine, on some days more feminine and on some days the don't feel like neither.