Shieettt, im Mexican and I've worked construction and ill work for 85 an hour to build that wall
@swampbutt, I'd move all the way down there from Minnesota to work that.
@RustyFapwagon, I agree with your argument about getting here legally and it not being fair. I'm just curious to know how will a wall stop them? And what about the people who overstayed their visas?
@swampbutt, that's probably what he meant when he said the Mexicans would build the wall.
@RustyFapwagon, it won't stop anyone from coming in. What about planes and boats? I was on a cruise in 2005 right before hurricane Katrina. The ship had to stop because there were Haitians in a little rubber boat trying to get to America. The ocean was insane because of the incoming hurricane yet they did it anyway. If someone really wants to get to America they will.
@swampbutt, then he would renegotiate your wage for $.85 and hour. And you would be too poor to afford qualified lawyers to handle the case.
@RustyFapwagon, I'm against the wall I don't think it will stop anything. Where did you get your numbers? Because I heard 47% of illegals came over by plane.
@RustyFapwagon, Boat migrants comprise less than 10% of the more than 1 million new immigrants
almost 40 percent of all immigrants come by plane and they overstay their visas
So it's pretty 50/50 BUT there are immigrants from everywhere, not just Mexico. The wall will only stop Mexico. People crossing the boarder is actually at a low for the first time in 33 years
@RustyFapwagon, my parents busted add to get here illegally and I'm pissed
@RustyFapwagon, this country needs illegals
@RustyFapwagon, Trying to find that 84 billion number, but I can't anywhere. I'm seeing numbers that put the net cost between 10-25 billion per year. Not to mention that economists on both sides of the political spectrum acknowledge the enormous and necessary role those illegal immigrants provide to grow our economy
@RustyFapwagon, I typed out a really long comment and sent it but it's not showing up so RIP. Overall I said that immigrating legally is harder than saying to do it legally is. It's very difficult and a corrupted process. When south American families are faced with raise their child surrounded by drug cartels or try anything to get into the US to get a better life for their kids, they'll do whatever they can to get here
@Metal head Toph, and I can't say I particularly blame them. I'm not saying doing it illegally is the right way but we need reforms that assist the immigration process and make it so quotas aren't hit so fast that most people aspiring to immigrate just flat out can't because they don't have connections to the government. If that's not fixed, we'll always have massive illegal immigration
@RustyFapwagon, I'd say you shouldn't form your opinions based on assumptions made about economists' work without reading a lick of it. They're experts for a reason. Also, there are ways around the wall that already get people in to this country. Build the wall and more people will just take those other routes instead
@RustyFapwagon, I also originally asked for a source to verify the 84 billion number. Forgot to retype that
@RustyFapwagon, I'm not saying we should just blindly accept that entire group of people, I'm saying that we can accept more and the economists show the benefits these immigrants bring and would bring if they were legal. So they're benefitting the economy while here illegally, if we issued more green cards or work visas(not unlimited just more) they'd continue to cause that benefit while also paying taxes and being integrated so they don't cost the system so much. And no, I mean by plane and boat which people already do. Those practices will just increase in popularity because they can't get through the wall. And I'd also argue there's a lot wrong with just turning away refugees. Those people get trained and integrated into society to be productive members of the country. I'd also like to point out that immigrants and refugees have the lowest crime rates of any group in America today. And it isn't as easy as "just fixing it" especially considering we were a colony of an empire
@RustyFapwagon, considering how enormous our economy is, we can handle a lot of unskilled laborers. Again, not unlimited but our system already benefits from both legal and illegal groups already here so we can at minimum handle that sum of immigrants. And yeah they did, but after that they have the lowest crime rates(admittedly it's because they're avoiding getting deported so they don't risk breaking the law)
@RustyFapwagon, I also don't think your accounting for yearly costs of maintenance on the wall and guards along the entire thing
@RustyFapwagon, I do my best to remain objective especially since productive public discourse is the only way to have substantial and effective debate and create solutions. I think it's okay to be selective for skilled workers which is why we do attract a TON of higher level workers from Asian countries but I also don't mind saying that refugees are welcome in this country. Canada is accepting a lot of refugees though especially relative to its size
@RustyFapwagon, I think Europe handled it poorly. Their vetting process is extremely weaker than the United States process. I mean, the US has taken in thousands upon thousands of refugees these past several years and they haven't been involved in terrorist attacks on US soil. Europe also struggles to contain that process because of their policies allowing free flowing immigration and when eastern Europe doesn't vet properly it gives access to the rest of Europe.
@RustyFapwagon, Alright well putting aside most of that massive discussion I haven't seen any mention of some pretty big issues this wall would cause, and which I think safely invalidate the use of something which will really only make a mild dent in the immigration issue. Those items are: the extremely negative environmental impact of building, upkeeping, and outright blocking migration paths for hundreds of species and thousands of animals, many endangered as well. The human impact on the American side where many will lose their homes and land by forceful acquisition. The engineering complications of building walls on rivers/lakes. The legislative and administrative hell that comes with this making the bill waaaaay more than 25bil, it will probably hit hundreds of billions. And the fact that Americans will 100 percent pay for the wall; if by import tax, poor Americans who buy off-brand (hurting them significantly), if not, through taxes (which most Trump supporters call bs). Iz no go
Let's just build it around the White House
@Rattlehead Vision, They already got one, but the animals keep escaping. Needs yo be taller, I think...
@Rattlehead Vision, better yet. Let's invade and force him out. That will send a clear and violent msg. This Country was founded through the chaos of war. Why shouldn't it be sustained through it.
Is he really?
@Pool boy till I die, if he is, I'd "volunteer" to do the whole thing
@RustyFapwagon, those on boats and planes however could
@RustyFapwagon, I'm not sure what you mean when you say support illegal aliens. Could you explain, I'm just curious.
@RustyFapwagon, nah. That's disproven already. It won't stop that many. The majority get in by plane, then boat, then by land
@RustyFapwagon, wouldn't the wall have to be followed by massive deportations?
@RustyFapwagon, I thought they still payed income tax. Wouldn't the employer be to blame though? I mean, they're hiring illegal aliens to work for them.
@RustyFapwagon, i mean, if you know they're illegal then you shouldn't hire them. That would be breaking the law. Also, I read that they do pay taxes through the ITIN (individual Tax Identification Number) i just don't know how they get it lol barely looking this up.
@RustyFapwagon, when did I say you should deport an American citizen lol I'm just saying that the employer should take the responsibility, that's all. Also, I looked up the Israeli wall and it makes sense, for them. But for two nations at peace.
@RustyFapwagon, so I looked up if illegal immigrants paid taxes and so far I've only found one article that says that they don't. Dude, I don't want you to think of this as an argument, I'm just bored at home and this is an interesting topic I still want to be your friend :)
@RustyFapwagon, we support illegals? I think you got your facts wrong. Take away subsidies on businesses and u can fix every other problem with that money.
@Implicit88, and by subsidies i mean all the tax breaks and the fact that they pay a lower tax than MOST working americans
Since I'll be paying for it as a taxpayer, you bet your @ss I'm gonna want a piece of it when it gets torn down in 4 years.
Nationalism is a terrible thing to just blindly follow. We can't just hide behind the flag and lose moral standing we have because some people suffering from wars we've contributed to want to come here for a better life. They'll be more productive than a lot of the people in this country
Scattered across the entire world fighting us across a huge ocean in the 1700's when it took at fastest weeks to travel between the regions
Welp....there's always next year to become a police officer (just kiddin I put too much into this)
85 an hour SHIEEEY LOOKS LIKE IM MOVING AND WORKING 60 HOURS A WEEK!
I know some guys by Home Depot that'll do it for less
I tried to submit this on Sunday. Went off pending yesterday, thought it went through...
What was the trick to get stuckpixel to accept an upload again? Threatening descriptions? Promises of cookies?