They didn't legalize all drugs, they decriminalized it. Its not longer a felony, just a misdemeanor and a fine.
@The real meowman, it’s basically the same as getting a speeding ticket
@BigJohnson86, exactly, but still not "legal"
@The real meowman, so you're telling me. A heroin addict that moves from Oregon to Arkansas can get a concealed carry license.
@The real meowman, And it is overdue. Getting jail time for the possession of marijuana in small amounts was just stupid. The other big problem is the introduction of mandatory minimum sentencing. Decriminalization is bringing a much needed end to this.
@That one lurker, honestly I don't know about that. I believe that if you are charged with possession you are required to enter into a rehab program. There may be something tied to that so that an addict can't get a carry license.
@Funny Pics Janitor, no doubt! We need to start treating the disease (addiction), rather than just throw everyone in jail.
@The real meowman, I know that in Arkansas it's having felony, that's the most common one.
So some guy with a massive arrest record of pedaling black tar heroin or crack cocaine, could just have misdemeanors on his record.
So when he goes to other states he could get a concealed carry. That makes zero since.
If it was for rehabilitation classify them as different and just being misdemeanors. They could be felonies with a provision, that provision being the instead of jail time having a mandatory rehab. It's the same thing but it'd be like a detox summer camp, or something. Like community service, but the community service would be helping you no longer be a threat to the community. I don't know, the entire West Coast is retarded.
@That one lurker, you make some good points. Also, i would have to look into seeing if selling/trafficking drugs is still considered a felony or not. I think peddling drugs and possessing drugs are two completely different things. Also, i don't think calling the entire west coast "retarded" is beneficial to the conversation.
@The real meowman, no it isn't, I agree, you have a lot of would be dictators doing drastic things on the west coast that I find terrible. So I used harsh language to display my displeasure of their politicians.
The point that I should be hammering home is how these possession cases are finalized. For the most part, unless traped in entrapment, a case where someone's peddling drugs we'll get downsized to possession charges. That's one problem with the marijuana charges, i.e. how many grams should be possession, or how many does it need before the intent to selling is a parent? Those can't be caught a fight so hard numbers since people intending to so we'll just keep their numbers that low, or people that are using will keep their number is that high. Paradoxical. But I personally disagree with the idea of making it into a misdemeanor. Specifically because how that charges mess with other states regulations and privileges.
@That one lurker, now you're thinking with laws
@That one lurker, well, if you were born in Texas, and have a non-violent felony (like a drug charge) if you remain on good behavior for 5 years following your release you can own a gun.
Also, there's a difference between dealing and using. Some selling herion/crack/meth, probably wouldn't give them their rights to own a gun back.
Now, a drug user/addict, who's either doing it recreationally, or has a serious addiction, but they haven't harmed anyone, or anything (other than themselves). Charge them and get them into rehab. Just charging them and throwing them in a cell will most likely land them right back on the street doing the same thing. When you go to prison, you come out with more contacts and that felony may make it more difficult for you to gain employment. Yes the individual made some choices to get themselves there, and in cases of addiction pile on other underlying mental issues that lead to the addiction, and you have someone who continues to not contribute to society.
@BigJohnson86, I think the bigger change is that the convicts are being sent to rehab instead of punished with prison, which I see as a far better alternative
@The real meowman, I’ll translate: if it doesn’t pay the government, it doesn’t get looked for.
@SatansAdvocate, ok, I don't know Texas concealed carry laws. Which is specifically why I said Arkansas. Concealed carry is different from owning a gun, since Concealed Carry has a higher rank of duty then just owning the gun. Owning the gun is the right, caring it concealed is the privilege. From what I understand the switch of categorization would violate that privilege.
So 1. Not talking Texas.
2. What I was saying was down pleading, taking a lesser sentence when evidence is mounted but non conclusive. I.e. when a dealer gets possession charges instead of possession with intent to sell, cause the sting caught him bringing the goods to the "party" and the dealer hadn't talked prices.
Lastly 3. I stated an advocacy to change the punishment of users to being rehab instead of prison time. Making them legal only allows them to hurt more people. Keeping them illegal while helping those afflicted saves lives.
Please read the material before you comment.
I hate sophistry in all its forms.
@Prince super Vegeta , I need the honestly read more into it. But if that's the case I'm fine with it. If they're just imitating Canada ( forget which city) then crimes going to shoot throu the roof.
@The real meowman, same thing, lol
@That one lurker, or even better go to Oklahoma where they have constitutional carry
@Prime Umbra, SWEET HOME OKLAHOMA... WHERE THE POLITICIANS F@CKEN READ, maybe the governor's to, but how about you?
@That one lurker, Right, and I'm stating that laws on guns vary greatly from state to state.
For Arkansas, you can't even start the conversation on CC because a convicted felon (or those convicted of certain misdemeanors ex. domestic abuse) cannot own a gun to begin.
However, under Arkansas code, Title 5, Subtitle 6, Chapter 73, Subchapter 1 "The Governor may restore without granting a pardon the right of a convicted felon or an adjudicated delinquent to own and possess a firearm upon the recommendation of the chief law enforcement officer in the jurisdiction in which the person resides, so long as the underlying felony or delinquency adjudication: 1) Did not involve the use of a firearm and 2) occurred more than eight years ago."
And in regards to Arkansas CC laws " since, Arkansas has permitless carry, anyone who can legally possess a firearm may carry a concealed firearm on his or her person without a license or permit."
@That one lurker,
2) Dealing is a non-violent offense. The only thing that should bar the individual from regaining their gun rights would be possession of an illegal fire arm, or a violent offense. Dealing also doesn't mean using, though intent to sell is typically based on amount in possession, which depending on the person, could still be personal use, with no actual intent to sell, other than for legal classifications.
3) In regards to prohibition of drugs vs decriminalization vs legalization, the middle is likely the best route with rehab in mind. The war on drugs has been a massive failure, since the availability, demand, use, and the lucrative nature of drug traffic has continued to increase. When states started legalizing cannabis it started to hurt the cartels little by little because you don't have to go and buy from dealers any more.
@SatansAdvocate, my initial problem with your post was you changing the subject. Instead of talking on a subject or Oregon, Arkansas or concealed you switched it to Texas ownership. A non sequitur. Regardless of what your intent is, you started things off by comparing apples and oranges. Stating something like owning a permit is the same as owning a gun is wildly disingenuous.
2)You need to look at the plea deals of low level pushers. Dealing or possession with intent to sell, is harder to claim then just the possession charge. So some courts are willing to lower the sentence to get the crime to stick.
3) yes, cartels were getting hurt but lower-level dispensaries were seeing a boom because of the power vacuum. In a few years the cartel just needs to buy out the dispensaries. It's all speculation at that point.
@That one lurker, I was making a comparison and statement in relation to gun laws. The pic is about Oregon but you then related it to Arkansas. My point being gun laws vary, and as stated above, it is not impossible for a covicted felony to cancel carry in Arkansas as it stands today. Nor do I believe I stated owning a permit is the same as owning a gun. The whole point reloves around legal gun ownership.
2) Fair point. Ideally for the courts they get a lower level dealer to rat, but that may mean death for the dealer at the hands of who they ratted on, so it may be unlikely but not unheard of. Again, there's a difference between dealing and use, abuse, and addiction. You don't have to be selling to get a felony charge. Any possession of a Schedule 1 drug may result in a felony. Oregon varies on schedule 1 drugs for "substantial quantity" from 2 to 10 grams. Doesn't mean less won't result on a felony, but anything meeting the qualifications for a "substantial quantity" will.
@That one lurker, Where rehab vs punishment comes in, would be around if they're using or dealing. Assuming they're dealing, and they aren't just "the weed man" they may not even be using what they're selling (herion and crack dealers), and would likely be caught with unlawful firearms and/or other weapons in which case, yeah, they likely shouldn't ever be allowed to own a gun again.
The bum who's sücking dïck for herion, probably needs to go to rehab and get mental help. Depending on whether they can enter remission or have additional psychological conditions would be a determining factor, but throwing them in the same cell and slapping them with a felony isn't going to help them be any kind of a productive member of society, but, so long as drug possession remains criminalized, that is what will (likely) happen.
I mean should it really be the responsibility of government to tell me what I can do with my own body? Sure make selling drugs unchecked illegal but probably just legalize all drugs and warn of the consequences. Oh and by the way I don’t even want to do drugs... it just seems pretty wack that some old dudes can just be like, “oh... and you can’t do this thing that only affects yourself... okay cool see ya” but that’s just an opinion.... my opinion.
@Earth Chan, they didn't legalize anything. Just made the penalties for using less harsh. More " you need rehab and you shall have it" less "1g of MJ? That'll be 4 years behind bars."
Also OR is rife with druggies IME. Idk how seriously they've been prosecuting in recent decades but it can't have been that much. Seems like every gas station attendant, store clerk and guy struggling to walk down the streey acts like a user of something up there.
One of the few things that Oregon has done right in recent history.
@Doctor Yak, Fine, but please do not ask me to subsidize in any way when people make terrible decisions.
If they own the consequences of their own actions then I have no problem with people doing whatever they want.
@big freedom, absolutely. Unfortunately, i have a feeling it's not going to work out that way in this case.
@Doctor Yak, it never does.
People make terrible decisions, which is their right to do so.
I resent having my money stolen and given to them.
I donate both my time and my money to people, who through no fault of their own, have been dealt an awful hand: kids with cancer, burn victims, birth defects, HIV, Celiac, etc.
Bleeding hearts... “how dare you, you’re so selfish!”
Might as well tax human misery in all it’s forms
Fine, but please do not ask me to subsidize in any way when people make terrible decisions.
If they own the consequences of their own actions then I have no problem with people doing whatever they want.
@big freedom, Yeah, see this makes sense to me. Allow people to do what they want as long as it doesn’t affect others and don’t expect others to pick you up when you fall. Not to say people can’t help if they want to but don’t force anyone/everyone to help.
@Earth Chan, exactly. There are a lot of ways people can help. Government subsidized “rehad” centers that cost 100x what any private org could build and has zero expectations as far as helping. That’s just theft.
Well no, but actually yes
@WelI Obviously, hi from Oregon
@Prime Umbra, hi!! 🙂
@WelI Obviously, hi. Not from oregon
@Darth Panserbjorne, hi!! 🙂
@Prime Umbra, *high
@Prime Umbra, hello also from oregon 😬
@the jedi hunter, lol I just moved here from Oklahoma 2 months ago. I live in The Dalles
@The Pocket Taco, lmfao that’s a solid correction
@Prime Umbra, in that case welcome to oregon! The dalles is a solid choice. I myself live far too close to portland
@the jedi hunter, Yeah I got a promotion out here so far from family unfortunately but all for the personal and career development.
It sounds like a good idea to me?
Like they always used to say - marijuana is a gateway drug
Imagine thinking “legalization“ and “decriminalization“ are two different words for no fvcking reason 🙄