And this is what is wrong wth feminism...
@skinnybitch, you're preaching to the choir.
@skinnybitch, but that isn't feminism
@Pinkpuppetfred, its ingrained in their feminist minds. Where equality only matters where they know it will benefit them, lest they lose some of their actual privileges.
@Pinkpuppetfred, but it's how a lot of women who label themselves "feminist" think and then it transcends into the mass belief system of their cause
@orion55, lets be honest, thats how most *people* think. Everyone wants the better without the worse.
Theres a reason for the phrase "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence."
@Caine, that's true and totally fine except when you start telling your neighborhood that your neighbor should intentionally make his grass less green because it makes you feel bad.
@Pinkpuppetfred, it's modern feminism. Just like modern "liberals" care nothing for liberty.
@skinnybitch, this is what's wrong with 99.99999999999.............% of whatever thing is the thing this week in the news
@orion55, equality means getting even anything less is oppression and should be stomped down using sharpened heels
@eleven, but the sexes are biologically and inherently different. Even is a disservice to human kind. Women and men shouldn't be made to be perfectly equal because at what point does that take away manhood and womanhood? What it means to be us? (Just note, I'm not saying we shouldn't have equality)
@orion55, you missed the joke
@eleven, I was in a heated insult contest with someone in another pic so I was primed to be triggered easily. Lmao
@orion55, it's ok
*Squints really hard to see the equality*
@king of sharks, *squints into infinity *
@king of sharks, *turns asian*
I've tried both actual (programming and truck driving) and where I like programming, no one wants to hire beginner programmers without experience. I've been working ad a truck driver for a year and a half and where is love to make lots of money as a programmer, ill pay my bills now as a truck driver
@a shiny haunter, theres a huge difference between what pays the bills and what makes you loads-a-money, sometimes.
@a shiny haunter, Yeah I went to a bootcamp for Fullstack development and everyone I know, even the really gifted students have trouble finding a job. There's more programmers than than jobs right now. Btw my father's a truck driver.
Lol, from what I've heard being a programmer is a great way to do an arduous and frustrating task forever without much personal praise or even a medium-high income. Programming works like any other production job, when it all goes fine it's not because of you, but if it goes wrong it's all your fault. Not every programmer is Steve Jobs or bill Gates.
@YUNoJump, Let's be honest, Steve jobs wasn't that great of a programmer, he just had a great personality. Steve Wozniak was the wizard behind the curtain.
@KermitSmash, let's be even more honest. Neither were the ones that really made the programs that made them billions. They were both just good at marketing or business. And put it all together at the right time. To think Steve Jobs was anything more than a good promoter/marketer is to be living in fanboy fantasy land.
@Seohn, that's completely ignoring that he invented an entire industry. To say it's just fanboy is being just a hater. You don't have to love apple or Microsoft to be able to respect what Jobs/Wozniak/Gates did for tech.
@KermitSmash, from everything I've seen or heard, his personality was horrible. He was horrible to the people who worked for him. But he was a visionary.
@big freedom, I never said they weren't deserving of the credit and respect of what they did. But people give them credit and respect for things they didn't do. The computer industry was there before Jobs and Gates did what they did. They just brought them to the home user. They didn't invent them. Which goes back to my point. They were good marketing. And to say they accomplished more than what they actually did is fanboy fantasy.
You ever listen to Epic Rap Battles of History? There's a Jobs vs Gates song they did. At the end of it Unix (looking like Hal 9000) makes the lyrical part of how Gates should check his History. Everything he did began with him. The point is they took from existing things and expanded and put it together into one unit.
By the way Gates bought DOS. He didn't create it. A student of computers and IT learns this as part of the history of networking.
@Seohn, home computers literally changed the world. "To think Jobs was anything more than a good promoter is...fanboy..."
Tell me again how those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive?
@big freedom, to think they would not have come to home use eventually is fantasy. Someone else would have eventually done it. And the fantasy part are when people worship someone like Jobs to the point they give him credit for things he didn't do. Like actually create the operating system for Apple. Or make the first tablet (there are references for them in movies that released long before apple made them. Again referencing Space Odyssey for this one too.
@big freedom, why aren't you fanboying it up for the invention of LCD screens? Without those world changing devices that don't get enough credit to the changes those brought about you wouldn't have your Tablets, Smart phones, GPS in cars, and well just about every device that uses them now. Which goes back to giving someone way to much credit. Jobs and Gates were good at what they did. And they changed the world. But they weren't the only ones. And they used existing technology. Other people's technology.
@Seohn, terrible argument. By that logic Einstein, Newton, Tesla etc were all just place holders in history.
And inventing something isn't the same as putting it in every household. He didn't invent the tablet. He made it desirable. Something no one ever did before him. Yes that's partially marketing, but it's also design and functionality.
@big freedom, They marketed. They had a hand in the design this is true. But they didn't make it all alone. And yes all of those people were placeholders. Eventually someone would've figured it out. It's just a matter of time and the right circumstances. Just like the steam engine was created then lost several hundred years before it was discovered again. Yes all those people deserve credit "for what they did". But you don't give someone credit for things they did not. People like you seem to worship Jobs. Nearly every Apple user knows his name. But not every Apple user knows of Wozniacki and how without him Apple wouldn't be what it is.
@big freedom, an example of what I'm trying to get at is this. Like my iPhone. I give it credit for what it does and it's positives. However it's not the only device on the market. Between Android and iPhone each have their respective capabilities and niches. I give them both credit where it's due and criticize where they lack.
And my Windows PC gets the credit where it's due. Especially for gaming.
@Seohn, dude. You are obviously making wild assumptions. I'm no worshipper of Jobs. I'm trying to explain to you the difference. I see that you are a hater and I can't possibly get through to anyone who thinks that incredibly gifted talented scientist are place holders. I said that earlier thinking how ridiculous it was, but you agreed?!?
You may have knowledge, but you certainly lack wisdom.
@big freedom, Wisdom is knowledge gained from the mistakes of others. Einstein was a genius. But there are others now that are just as smart. And just as capable of figuring out what he did. He just happen to write it and publish it first. He was a genius and deserves every bit of credit for what he discovered. But to think that he's the only person that could've ever discovered it means you're the one who lacks wisdom.
@Seohn, ok actually last post. Nobody does the first thing completely on their own. They learn from what has and hasn't worked in the past. To say that someone would have come along to do what (insert historical genius here) did, is to say that all things are automatically going to happen. You need to read a couple of the "great courses - A skeptics guide to history". A couple people doing things just a little differently moves the entire world in certain directions. Entire industries are built on a guy doing one thing at one time and it having an impact on enough people to become a bigger thing. Remove that person at that time - You may think that it would have happened anyway... and it MAY have, but it also may not have.
@big freedom, one could say all things will happen eventually. If this weren't the case, we wouldn't need copyright laws.
(And yes I know the laws are there to keep people from taking someone's ideas and making money) However they also keep people from making money off an idea someone had before them even if they didn't know about it.
@Seohn, what the fûck? Read what you wrote. That makes zero logical sense. Go read a book, stop wasting my time with this nonsense.
@big freedom, plus you're trailing off from my original comment. Which is that to think they actually made the stuff alone that they marketed. Is being a fanboy fantasy giving them more credit then they deserve. They had a hand in it. But they were not the sole creator. They were however really good at promoting it to the point it became the world changing items they are today.
Gates straight up bought DOS for, I want to say 50k. But I don't remember the exact amount. But he gets all the credit. How is that, him making it?
@Seohn, it's not being a hater to both, give someone credit they deserve while also pointing out they don't deserve all the credit. It is being a fanboy to give someone more credit than what they are due. That or just lack of knowledge of the history of the creation of what made that person famous.
Which is why I use to chuckle when people actually believed Apple had no viruses back when Apple use to make those claims on their adds. Good marketing. But not exactly telling the truth when they said it years ago.
I both criticized their lack of honesty and complimented their marketing tactic. That's not hating. It's giving proper credit where it's due.
@big freedom, My first comment was.
"let's be even more honest. Neither were the ones that really made the programs that made them billions. They were both just good at marketing or business. And put it all together at the right time. To think Steve Jobs was anything more than a good promoter/marketer is to be living in fanboy fantasy land."
It was in response to,
"Let's be honest, Steve Jobs wasn't that great of a programmer, he just had great personality. Steve Wozniak was the wizard behind the curtain.
Perhaps you should go back and read your response to that. That started this entire conversation. I've stuck by my. People shouldn't get any more credit than what they are due this entire time. And that Jobs and Gates weren't the sole creator to be deserving of all the credit.
You seemed to have gotten upset because I used the fanboy trigger word.
@Seohn, no I disagree with you. They "created" an entire industry. If you make something and nobody wants it, then someone else comes along and tweaks it a little bit and now everyone buys it, guess who gets the credit.
@big freedom, and your wrong by assuming I have a problem giving them credit for creating an entire industry. And see this goes back to the fanboy argument. Not once did I ever say they didn't deserve credit for what they did. But since you seem to be missing the point you must be a fanboy that wants to give them credit for things they didn't do. And that's not what they deserve.
@Seohn, now you're just making shît up. /to think Steve Jobs was anything other than a good promoter/marketer is to be living in fanboy fantasy/
I have to give you credit tho. You are a persistent little cunt. Frequently wrong, never in doubt.
@big freedom, do you realize you just agree with me. I, in near exact words said that to think Steve Jobs is anything more than a good marketer is a fanboy dream land. They were good at what they did. But they had help and didn't create it all on their own. They, like research in universities today, got all the credit for what other people did. That's not to say they didn't do anything.
@Seohn, holy fûck, I'm sorry I didn't realize I was debating with a half tard.
I. Was. Quoting. You. You. Fûcking. Dolt.
@big freedom, perhaps you should actually use "quotes" and start your quotes indicating you are doing so.
It's as easy was "person says: subject". But hey I suppose the person that knows how to actually use the quotation marks is the dolt. Or are you going to blame it on keys not working?
Yeah, I'm the dolt for giving credit where it is due and not giving credit for things someone didn't do. Not a difficult concept for the vast majority of people.
@Seohn, did you not wonder what the / / around that sentence (which happened to be the exact same words you had just written down) might mean? For fûcks sake, you either have the memory or the imagination of a goldfish.
Yes, you are a dolt.
@big freedom, Oh I saw the / but that's still not a quotation mark. For all I know. You made a typo. When you didn't use the correct marks to indicate a "quote" I just assumed you made a typo. I was actually being polite and not assuming you were just ignorant of what a quotation mark actually looks like.
However, this has been mildly amusing and it seems you either have no clue what I'm talking about or just trolling. I've known which is the correct answer for some time now. But I'll leave it up to you to figure out.
@Seohn, have a good one. Dolt
@sugejager, agreed. Bitch.
Feminism = Man Haters
You say the men can have the scraps, but I'm sure none of them would want you.
Same for u ya arsehole
"Equality" between the sexes
@Firecracker Jim, liberal equality
Someone murder that cunt
Liberals and democrats will downvote this because they shouldnt downvote it because the media says they shouldnt downvote this...your move....
Jessie needs to get fvcked.
And people like this are supposedly preaching for equality? This is winning!
I smell a flame war
@Xiphose, no flame war here. The Internet hates crazy feminists. It's not like we're on tumbler.