Beyond vegetable meat
Except it's arby's so even though its a good idea it will be mostly inedible crap
@glewis007, i like about 1 thing from arby’s that has meat in it. The jamocha shake is also delicious
@glewis007, sooo... everything but Curley fries?
@ThePandaPool , yes. I should have specified I was referring to menu items with meat
@glewis007, Arby's is either great or terrible, no in between. The one near my husband is fantastic but literally every other one I've been to makes me want to die
@Mantis Tobaggan, i work at Arbys the one in my home town is the cleanest you will see. I worked at another an hour and a half away and it had 1 in of mold in the soda nozzles and the shake machine hadn't been cleaned in a month.
Why though? Cutting back on meat when we can use plants instead is only a good thing. The only reason to be upset is if you're stubborn and refuse to adapt. The world is changing Arby's, change with it
Edit: Due to a convincing debate, I no longer stand with this statement but I will leave it here
@18bluecat, I am curious to understand what you mean by cutting back on meat is only a good thing?
@The nOly One, Let me preface this by saying, I haven't done a whole lot of research. If we replace meat with the "plant meat" that's virtually indistinguishable then we can cut back on all the farms and slaughterhouses that create a ton of greenhouse gas emissions due to the animals. Which also means less animals being bred to be killed, which is something that always made me a little sad when I ate my poultry. Not only that, eating too much meat is bad for us and if replaced we reduce the risk of stuff like heart disease and obesity (though the latter can be avoided through other means as well). MAYBE there's a negative I'm not seeing but I still feel like the goods outweighs the bad
@18bluecat, If I’m not mistaken meat is one of the best foods for the human body due to its nutrients, Obviously too much of anything isn’t good but meat certainly seems to be a crucial part of the human diet. Not to mention that commercial farms are just as harmful to the environment as a commercial slaughterhouse, and with the bee epidemic we could (not certain but a possibility) see a massive decrease in agricultural capability in North America (where a majority of major crops are grown) in the near future. Not saying you are necessarily wrong but I don’t think relying on either too much would be a good thing, we need plants, we need meat, and in some cases (cattle and sheep especially) they need humans. I’m still open to hearing any other possible research or evidence that could change my mind
@The nOly One, Oh I'm not advocating for the abolishment of all meat. We need it, it's on the food pyramid for a reason. But, and I might be misremembering this, there was a statement put out that all nations need to cut their meat consumption by 50% to reduce climate change. And as for North America, I believe we've started importing bees but that doesn't matter. Asia is the big producer of meat, and if a lot of their cattle suddenly aren't selling they can use their land to grow crops instead. But we do still need areas that raise cattle and sheep. To summarize, we need to cut down on meat, not cut meat out. I'm really glad we can have a civil debate by the way. I know text can sometimes come across as rude or condescending so I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to be either of those things
@18bluecat, and I appreciate you and this discussion. What I was referring to when I said that commercial farming is just as harmful is that the equipment used to plant/grow/harvest the food as well as the factories that process the food emit a massive amount of greenhouse gas themselves, alongside the massive amount of fresh water used on crops each year which is slowly depleting our supply (and shifting certain environments and ecosystems in the process). The whole China this is a lost cause unless we can actually get them to agree to any environmental policy whatsoever (they won’t unless the communist party somehow loses power). Yeah I can understand cutting back on meat but that would be extremely difficult to convince a voting public to do, and the fact that whichever party decides to bring it to the table would just be stonewalled by the other party because thats how politics work nowadays. All I’m saying is perhaps you are right, but we will never know if in practice it is
@The nOly One, I was someone who was a mostly meat based diet, ie I don't eat what my food would eat, type. Eating meat has no real benefits except for the B12 vitamin. When it comes to health it's pretty much all bad. I'm not one who really cares about the suffering of animals, we go hard on earth, but the amount of land and water used to grow the food to feed the animals plus the amount the animals use directly is staggering. Our resources are finite and it isn't at all an efficient use of resources. Especially with how good plant based foods are now. Like black bean quinoa burgers, I'd honestly take that over a regular hamburger. I feel like a hypocrite for how I was but while I was in Afghan we had some NFL players come visit us and we got into a discussion about diet. As one put it, think about the strongest land mammals on the planet, horses, oxen, gorillas, elephants, ect, most are herbivores. Even Grizzlies eat mostly plants, meat just to put on fat stores for hibernation.
@The nOly One, meat is actually one of the worst foods for humans. We are frugivores. We can eat meat but nuts, tubers, fruits, fruit like vegetables and roots. Most mammals are frugivore. Sadly meat isn't really need at all by humans. Even the B12 vitamin that we can't produce is largely because we don't injest any dirt, that has the bacteria that produce it. Even gladiators were mostly vegetarian. The biggest give away is our teeth. None of them are for meat. Even our canines, those seem to be for intimidation according to most research. I love meat it sucks but the research not funded by companies with high stakes in the meat industry pretty much points to it being worse than smoking cigarettes and worse for the environment then all of our transportation systems. I still eat meat and enjoy it but sparingly not. Not a fan of heart attacks or cancer. It would behoove you to do your own research on the topic. I'm just some guy on the internet. Just look into eggs for instance, scary.
@that crazy Marine, obviously this is a new take I haven’t heard before and I especially appreciate your personal experience with it. Obviously I am no dietician or anything similar, so I can’t say with certainty one way or the other, but comparing almost anything to cigarettes in terms of negative health affects seems particularly naive. There are quite a large number of nutrients besides B12 in meat, and while yes you can get them from other foods, doesn’t mean meat doesn’t also give those beneficial nutrients. I won’t try to make any further commentary before doing research because that would be foolish but that would be my initial take on what you have said.
@18bluecat, shut up vegan
@The nOly One, I never considered the difficulty in implementing all these changes. You have a lot of valid points and I realize maybe it's not all good. Just the intentions
@Greathoneybagger88, I literally mention I eat meat. I'm not a vegan or vegetarian just a fan of a greener Earth. But I was wrong anyway
@The nOly One, b12 is the one our bodies can't make that in modern society comes almost exclusively from meat unless other foods have been fortified. Once you delve into it you might not see it as naive to see it as dangerous or more dangerous to your health as cigarettes. I was extremely closed minded towards it for years even clutching onto research that pointed towards meat being good or even natural. But when you find out that the FDA won't allow for eggs to be advertised as nutritious let alone healthy starts to raise questions. Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US. #1 source of bad cholesterol in animal products. Cancer is #2 cause of death in the US and cigarettes ar the #1 nongenetic cause. The other is processed meat with is considered a carcinogen. The main dietary cause of type 2 diabetes is processed meat. Which is like the #6 cause of death. Now there are studies that say the risk is acceptable for individuals but not large populations what ever that means
@Greathoneybagger88, I haven't seen anyone who was vegan or vegetarian for that matter in this discussion. Even so, if a vegan were to join am I correct that you wouldn't even hear that person out on the fact that they chose to be vegan? I'm curious to why that would make their input into the subject moot? What if I were to become a vegan? I've slaughtered pigs, chickens and ducks without regret and still do on occasion. If I became vegan I would still do that to when visiting family. If it's shown that there is even more risk involved than there is already I will probably go vegetarian or vegan depending. Would that make all my thoughts invalid towards the discussion?
@The nOly One, I really enjoy having a civil debate on a controversial topic. Though it would be pretty impossible to implement a plant only diet and scientific studies can provide new and different evidence later. It's only though research and discussion that we can make informed choices. My most recent in depth research on the topic is about a year old and I've noticed some new studies so I'm off to delve into it again. I wouldn't have thought to if this conversation hadn't happened so thank you.
This has to be from The Onion. Or carrot
It looks as terrible as vegetables pretending to be meat.
Hospitals beat them too it.
Fvck id eat it
@Guy Fawkes, why don’t you take a seat ri.. right over here
@shadowisdaking, i mean try it. Im not saying that i would or would not enjoy it. But id sure as hell take a bite.
That picture just makes me want some carrot cake
@Guy Fawkes, but instead of cake its cold raw meat
@RomeoStealYoGurl, mmmm, just like my men
@Guy Fawkes, makes me want some brown sugar glazed carrots honestly