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@Lastmanonearth, good point. Perhaps I should clarify then: I personally am against abortions, but it is not my place to decide issues like that for others. Even if I was in charge, they would be legal, for others to decide, but I would not allow my girlfriend to get an abortion. Men should also have a choice in this decision, but should not be allowed to leave either.
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@Lastmanonearth, less than 1% of abortions are from reported rape and i can guarantee that half of those were probably lying just so they could feel good about it. Also plenty of amazing people that were given life instead of being killed have come out into the world. I.e. Miss tennessee from a couple of years ago great example that everyone should be given a chance at life. "It is a poverty that a child must die in order for you to live your life the way you choose" -mother Teresa... im not trying to preach but come on that other 99.5% just want to run around have sex and party and do whatever they want and not have any consequences for their poor life choices (majority of them)
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@Lastmanonearth, i know i am against abortion are you not reading my comment lol. Unreported rape. I highly doubt its 10X more simply die to the fact its not reported. I know that it happens. I think that it is horrible. However, when it comes to abortion statistics less that 1% are from reported rape
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@Lastmanonearth, so the point of allowing an abortion due to rape is the fact that it was unwanted and it was a traumatic experience that the woman shouldn't have to relive every time they see their child. What if a woman with a 2 year old who looks just like the gets the sh!t beat out of her and is hospitalized for months. Should she be able to kill it because it is a constant reminder of the father and the experience he put her through?
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@Lastmanonearth, actually almost no professional medical people even argue that a new life starts at the moment of conception anymore. Once the sperm and egg meet it is a new individual life. Sperm on its own can never be a life. But even if someone believes it happens at some point after conception, your point is still invalid because jacking off can never become a life.
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@Apolloss, but the point is that a girl can go and get an abortion, and the man has no choice at all. Men don't get a say either way, and women can abort, or leech child support out of him. Or worse, the woman could be absolutely useless and the father could be a better choice to raise the child, but the courts will always side with the women. So when it comes to kids, women have all the power, and men aren't allowed to choose. So while some may get upset that trump made a decision regarding abortions, women make the decisions otherwise.
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@Apolloss, why do women get 100% say on whether they get an abortion or not? It's a sticky issue, no doubt. But it takes two to make a baby, so both men and women need to have a say. The point I'm trying to make is that everybody is upset about a man making this decision, but not thinking about the fact that women make all the decisions otherwise.
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@Mkb617, sperm can make a life in a lab with an egg and I would start on evolution/asexual arguments but that would be wasted on a life starts when an egg is touched by a sperm guy. On the rational/unfeeling side extra population is bad and unsupported children are a drain on society, usually for their entire life
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@TheDoctorsTARDIS, the reason girls get a 100% say in what to do is because she has to carry it around for 9 months and eject it out of her. If you weren't ready for that result or didnt discussed it with the girl before hand, don't go spewing your juices around/inside of people, it's not that fvcking hard
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@Abradolf Lincler, the point they are making is in this case the girl also LET him do it. She didnt have to have sex with him. So she gets 100% choice of whether to keep it or not. Which in turn she get 100% choice on if the man pays child support or not. So the man just has to sit by and not have any say in the matter? Theres no equality there. If she gets 100% of the choice of keeping it or not, then the man should be able to walk away, if he didnt want it, without paying child support.
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@Abradolf Lincler, i really don't believe 9 months of carrying a child is equivalent to 18 years of child support. Either abortion laws have to change or child support laws have to. I agree men should always use protection but there are some instances where women can abuse the system. A close family friend was told that the woman had her tubes tied but she ended lying and used him to get child support for 18 years. Something has to change to avoid stuff like that.
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@Seohn, you make no sense lol. Everyone is makes choices. Whether they be good or bad. Those people that are serial killers are that by their own choosing. Even if you compare the number of serial killers to the number of people that are alive in this world compared to the abortions; you do realize it would still be less that .0001%. And that is giving the benefit of the doubt. We are who we are based on our own actions we all have a choice and if those people choose to do wrong then that is not on the mother choosing to keep the child. Part of the problem in this world is we love on a world where parents choose to live how they want and not take responsibility for our actions. Like i said before. We need to learn to keep our dicks in our pants and do things the right way. 99% of the time people get abortions because they cant have self control and want to run around and have sex whenever they feel like it and do not want to pay for their actions. And everyone knows it.
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My mom died because I wasn't aborted. My stepmom/aunt always told me I killed her. She is not wrong and she is not right either. My mother had the choice to abort me, doctors even told her I was a risky pregnancy, but she didn't. She took the chances and lived for six months after I was born. My moms choice not to abort killed her and the blame was placed on me. No one can ever win.
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@idiotsavant907, I almost died after my son was born. It wasn't the same situation as your mom, but my life is permanently altered. If it's any consolation, if I knew what would happen ahead of time, I probably would still have him. But I support mom's who have to make a decision too. I don't know their lives. Who cares what those other people say--- your mom loved you enough to die for you. Many women SAY that about their kids but never would. I almost died trying to breastfeed my son because it was the only thing that calmed him down (high needs/sensory disorder). I'd do it all over again I think.
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@Mkb617, "it is possible but rare for a double-murder charge to be enforced in cases of homicide in which a pregnant woman is murdered, thereby killing her unborn fetus." A quick search shows that the majority of times that happens it is still considered a singular homicide. The only cases I've found in which a double homicide charge is brought is when the fetus is in the third trimester, which coincidentally is when abortions can no longer be performed.
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@Apolloss, it is rare because it is usually pleaded down. There are something like 40 states that have fetal protection laws. Because of the debate over them the laws aren't always pushed but they are still there. Also you might want to look in to that third trimester myth.... there are still a couple of states you can get abortion up until the child is born
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@Apolloss, well that is close enough to correct. Now try looking up how often that actually happens. And oh yeah how often those same procedures could have been replaced with C-section. I'll save you the time, if it is that close to the child being born and the mother is that much and that unexpectedly at risk a A c-section could be done. Before you try to argue about the stress of a c-section. Think about the stress of aborting a child that large.
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@Apolloss, oh that is true but believe me not many have done more research than me. But by far in the given situation, that being a woman in the extreme late stages of pregnancy who is at risk of dying because of the child, the odds of the c-section causing worse damage than the abortion is dang near zero
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@Mkb617, I'm sorry but that is just not true. Late term abortions are performed in a method known as Dilation and Evacuation (in which they dilate the cervix and remove the uterus) and while this is in no way 100% risk free (Possible things stemming from the procedure include infection, sepsis, hemorrhaging and Damage to the uterus) C -Sections are far more dangerous.
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@Apolloss, Of all the things that could be going in at that stage of the pregnancy that could be harming the woman due to the child being there a c-section would almost never make it worse. Yes it is more invasive than the D&E, but in this day an age a c-section is so common there are very few realistic risks involved. I am done with this thread because too many people are posting too much stupid stuff. Not you, although I don't agree at least your arguments are intelligent.
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It would have been a pretty f'd up argument pre-Civil War for someone to say that those who didn't have plantations shouldn't be able to say we don't get to have slaves because they just don't understand the struggle. If I think it affects other human beings harmfully, I have every right to voice my opinion on the matter.
I'm pretty undecided about abortion. I love it because it supports killing children. I hate it because it gives women a choice.