I got called a racist today. A friend’s fiancé (who is a POC) sent round a video clip of “the police putting a bag over a black kid’s head”. I watched the video - there was no brutality, violence, or choke holds etc. The kid is being arrested and, as the officers try to get him in to the back of a police car he deliberately turns and spits in the face of one of them - so they put a spit hood on him.
Personally, I think that’s a fair response to him spitting in their faces. But apparently I’m a bastard and that’s basically the same as putting a plastic bag over his head to try and kill him (a spit hood won’t be much fun, but it’s an open mesh that doesn’t block air or light - not a suffocating plastic bag). And I would feel the same regardless of the skin colour of anyone involved.
@Nellybert , it’s 1984 in real life. The progressives get to call you whatever they want, as they control the words. Anything you say will always be wrong. And if you don’t say anything, that’s wrong too.
@big freedom, what’s the quote? If you don’t know who controls you, determine who you’re not allowed to make fun of, they’re in control.
@orion55, Yeah, something about if you want to know who is in control, find out who you’re not allowed to criticise.
@big freedom, I’m middle class, white, and English - I doubt anything I say can be the ‘right’ thing to some people on this topic! 🤣
But seriously, what are the cops supposed to do? Stop handcuffing suspects? Only arrest people who agree to voluntarily get in the car? The arrest looked textbook on how it should be done - when the teenager struggled they restrained him with minimal force and without chokeholds etc, the only time he was taken to the ground was for a matter of seconds to get the hood on then he was back on his feet. I don’t know why he was being arrested and if it was justified or not - but there was no sign of anything wrong with the way it was done.
@Nellybert , as much as it sucks, I think the police walking off the job is the best thing they can do. These big cities that have so many opportunities are going to be the first dead zones in America. Let these progressive mayors and governors rule over their dead cities and watch as the life blood of their territory hemorrhages into the neighboring cities.
@Nellybert , yeah putting a plastic bag on anyones head is a pretty stupid idea.... especially a child who has his arms cuffed behind his bag. If it was a canvas bag id be with you all the way though.
edit: misread it thought you said " im a monster for wanting to put a plastic bag on a kids head" lol
@Nellybert , I don't see how that's rasist since I imagine police are required to get hiv/hep tested if someone spits in their face
@Nellybert , I had a similar experience where a friend posted this. I was like, "It seems like that story has some info missing," so I looked it up and found out about the spit hood. Niether the original poster or the 10 people who had liked the post already had bothered reading the article -.-
@groundpounder04, I don't see how that's a good thing. Large amounts of police quiting/striking could have terrible consequences.
@Nellybert , there are 2 things going on, but (most) people can’t understand that separate things can both be true at the same time.
1. Qualified immunity has made police, literally above the law. They do not get prosecuted for breaking the law.
2. Police unions have made it incredibly difficult to remove bad cops from the force. Or if they do get fired, they just get hired in a different town. No shared databases in many cities.
3. Some people really have it coming. You spit in a cops face as he’s trying to arrest you, you get the hood. Infectious diseases suck. Or if you’re drunk driving, you don’t get to fight the cop for arresting you. That’s a felony and extremely dangerous.
@member berry, it will have terrible consequences. But people have to see those consequences to know that we do need police. We also need to keep the police accountable for their actions.
@big freedom, kinda sounds like a supeevillain origin story lol. I think that's legitamate, but I think a large majority of people recognize the importance of police. I think this might be another one of those scenarios where the few speak for the many.
I might also just have too much faith in humanity. I still lose a little bit more every day.
@Nellybert , spitting on someone is an assault and a crime. With the corona virus still a threat, that kid might be spreading a bioweapon. Deliberately infecting someone (or attempting to) with a virus that could kill them (if they have a zinc deficiency) is very serious, and if it were my call I would have ordered a bag to be put over his head because kids touch everything and whether he has the virus is not known.
The kid commited a crime against the officers.
The kid might have been putting them in great danger.
They kid got what he deserved.
@Nellybert , I recently found out that poc is no longer acceptable. You must use BIPOC. Black, indigenous, person of color, because poc erases black peoples suffering, and minorities don't experience the same suffering. There's a reason I only have one friend.
@big freedom, I didn’t know about qualified immunity until recently, and it’s kinda shocking. Real catch-22 situation - cop can’t be done for brutality unless there’s a precedent, but there can’t be a precedent because no cop could be done because there was no precedent..... That does need changing.
This video was in Sacramento, April 2019 - all bpdycam footage was released, kid spat in the female officer’s face three times before they decided to hood him.
@Chula Charlie, I dug in to it - Sacramento, April 2019 (so pre-Covid), full investigation done and all bodycam footage released, they only hooded him after the third time he spat in the female officer’s face. He was later charged with misdemeanour assault, not sure of the result.
@mayora13, Over here the generally used term is BAME (black, Asian, minority ethnic) - what with the indigenous population being white and all, they don’t want to include that term.
How does it work if you go to a country where white is the minority? 🤔 I mean, Asia and Africa make up over 75% of the global population, so technically they can’t always be an oppressed minority......
@mayora13, that’s the 1984 double speak in action. No matter what, who ever controls the words gets to decide what is and isn’t acceptable, and will always change it to keep the victimhood mentality alive.
@Chula Charlie, Oh, should have said - he was charged with misdemeanour assault for it. Can’t really deny it - a helpful ‘citizen journalist’ recorded it and you can clearly see and hear at least one of the occasions he spots on her, along with him admitting to doing it.
That's fine. We have been due to hit the reset button on our government for some time now.
@ThePandaPool , I feel like someone slipped and hit the "fvck it up more" button. Dems fighting to abolish police departments is going to have a more negative effect than their intent.
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, it’s more along the lines that they feel a lot of calls to 911 have the police involved when it really should have a specialist. Basically the idea is to shrink down the scope the police themselves would be involved in for a 911 call and add different services to contact in an emergency situation.
@Cloverleaf, if anything was gonna make 911 more effective, it would be needing to transfer to different departments, and of course telling the closest responder that they should let the guy farther away handle it.
@Cloverleaf, question will these " specialists" still be armed?
@ThePandaPool , you don’t get transferred you just have to memorize our short list of 26 new numbers to call for the specialist of your need
@CocoasBro, that brings up another point. The police show up to 911 calls even with ems or whatever because you never know what will happen. Someone needing medical treatment might get violent. They might be drunk and shoot someone. Shît happens
@Richard Cypher, yeah i cant see this being the kind of change the police need.
@Richard Cypher, “you never know what will happen” i.e the untrained officer escalates a situation that then requires use of force.
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, who said Dems are fighting to abolish police departments. Do you define anyone who has a thought antithetical to yours as a Dem? This 2 party system, with complete polarization, is crazy. Everything is not black and white, or them vs. us. Learn to see other viewpoints, and learn how to compromise a little.
@occasionalmutant, I am dead center when it comes to politics. I'm 100% for reducing funding to some police departments and de-militarizing them. But completely aposhlishing them (like the 100% democratic city council in Minneapolis did) is going to be more counterproductive than good.
Do not assume shjt about me based on a comment you disagree with and try to change my mind by attempting to make it seem as though I do not rigorously study all sides and views of a societal event and take every bit of news with a grain of salt.
@big freedom, if you just sit there and comply you know the situation never escalates. Fight in court not on the street.
@Richard Cypher, tell that to the homeless man in a wheelchair that got shot in the face with rubber bullets just for being there. Or tell it Breanna Taylor.
I know what you’re trying to say and I don’t even really disagree with it. I personally have been charged three times but I’ve never been arrested because in every instance by the time the police arrived I was already complying, but there are tons of examples where the person complied in every way and was still killed.
@Richard Cypher, unfortunately that’s not true. And the justice system in incredibly biased.
@Cloverleaf, You are referring to one of the legitimate goals/arguments of protesters. Drunk Pantless Uncle was trying to bash the democratic party as a whole, so he mentioned one of the very stupid goals of some of the protestors. The reality of the situation is that some of the protestors want body cams always on etc, some want to abolish the police, and others are just there to feel important or score some loot.
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, I also consider my self a centrist. But be careful calling yourself a "dead center" centrist, as this suggests that you hold no bias. Such a belief would be delusional.
The incident was symptom, not disease. If it didn’t happen there, it would’ve happened somewhere else, a little while later. There’s been enough wrongs and injustice done in the last 3 years especially to make this more or less inevitable. Besides, by the time you need police to deal with a problem, things have gotten out of hand and someone has been hurt or is in danger thereof. The right interventions - mental health help, investment in improving cities and municipalities, social supports - could’ve probably prevented a lot of crime, a lot cheaper than police, and with better outcomes for all involved. That being said, don’t know how a society would work without police, because prevention can’t stop every last case, only most, and sooner or later you need that forceful intervention (just not nearly as often as it is applied today).
@uncleSMO, you are right, especially in this time with video recording in just about all the phones now, which a lot of people have in case somebody hasn’t noticed.
@uncleSMO, I think that can work, but the ‘problem’ is that it’s not a quick fix. You need to get those systems in place and working before you can dismantle/reduce the current ones - which means you have to pay for both in the short term and there’s no instant results, so politicians don’t like it and people don’t have the patience to see it through.
If you can deal with the root causes of poverty and crime, you can eliminate a lot of it in the future - not all it, will always need a proper police force too - so cops can deal with real criminals and let social worker types deal with substance abuse/mental health issues (with police support if its a dangerous situation). Unfortunately politicians think in election cycles, and this needs to be planned on a generational basis.
@Nellybert , THAT is a reasonable, well thought out, rational thought that most people agree with. It will be ignored.
@Nellybert , I agree with all of what you said. As for election cycles - the problem of the election cycle and the desire to be re-elected in leadership thought is a big one. How you both force a leader to think about their accountability to their electors and simultaneously solve long term problems in a systematic manner... and convince people to be patient as proper solutions are built... not simple.
@uncleSMO, I have no idea, but a well funded education system which instills an attitude of aspiration and morality is probably your starting point. And no, I’m not sure how that could be achieved either.
@big freedom, Thank you. I see it as being like saving for your retirement - there’s a cost now, but it pays out more later.
the stats don’t reflect the rhetoric being pushed on us
@This Guy Fvcks, I am 100% in favor of police reform. And I completely agree with you. The media narrative is for conflict. Anything that promotes conflict gets air.
@big freedom, police reform should happen! but stop making random white girls on facebook feel like they need to prove they’re not racist
@This Guy Fvcks, yes please. The groveling self hatred is really disgusting.
I like what Bill Maher said about it.
“It just makes black peoples responsible for absolving you. Stop pretending that everyone is a victim and they need to be saved by you. That is incredibly egotistical”
Nah we need to go back further....this all started with harambe getting shot
@0ldmanJenkins, So, you’re saying it’s the fault of everyone who didn’t get their junk out for Harambe?
@Nellybert , correct...people remember junks out for harambe
@0ldmanJenkins, I never put my junk away. #alwaysrememberharambe
Thanks to the riots- I discovered the time I accidentally pepper sprayed myself is worse than tear gas!
@FlowerPowerPanda, yeeaaaahhh OC spray is way worse than tear gas, in my opinion at least. Crap still gives me nightmares....
I mean the cashier suspected the bills were counterfit and called the cops, nothing wrong with what the cashier did. The cops the one that killed the guy, if I were the cashier I'd've done the same thing.
Honestly want to know what’s going on with that guy, knowing full well he’s the reason a man was killed.
@Chifilo, I heard he doesn't trust the police anymore and will kick customers out and ban them for nonviolent crimes (theft, counterfeit, etc.) rather than call the cops.
@Chifilo, wait, the officer that killed George is the “reason a man was killed”. The cashier didn’t kill him.
I have 3 questions about the arrest.
1: why did the cops pull out their guns when they walked up to him in the car?
2: why when he was in a car without a problem did he suddenly resist getting in the cop car claiming he was claustrophobic?
And 3: why didn't the cop get off as soon as he found out the guy didn't have a pulse?
Question for any business that still sticks around after all the riots why are you guys stills putting money into that comunity? They have shown you who they value and its not you please for the sake of humanity move out!
question for humanity: why are you guys acting like this is a racial problem? white people and pretty much every demographic you can think of are misstreated by the cops yet for some reason you all act likes blacks are the only ones