Hey guys, member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) here. I know y'all think I'm in a cult or brainwashed or whatever, and that's fine, you do you, man. But these missionaries (kids, really) truly think they're doing the right thing. If they come to your door, please don't be rude. Just say you're not interested, as politely as you feel. If you honestly can think of someone who would like to hear them, great! Share. Sorry for the long post, I know most of you will disagree. Be kind! We are all just trying to be happy in this life. :)
@The Dark Lord Vader, they dont take no for an answer.
it literally says in the picture they INSISTED
@Hellboi, they know my family and I aren’t interested, but they send missionaries to our house at least once a month (usually more). We try to politely tell them we aren’t interested, but they just won’t leave us alone. I got tired of being polite to people who weren’t extending me the same courtesy, so I’m not nice to them anymore. “We don’t want any of your weird cult here, good day!”
@Hellboi, I'm sure one can still be kind and insistently say "no". But maybe some of them are too "salesman-like", which is too bad. We strive to be examples and to share our message, not push it.
@The Dark Lord Vader, I find the image of Darth Vader politely preaching his message of anger and hatred at my door to be an asteroid belt full of Alderaan level of disturbing.
@The Dark Lord Vader, I usually try to feed them or at least give them some water especially in the summer months(I live in the south) and these young folk are always just the most courteous genuine dudes, nothing wrong with trying to do the wrong thing 🤷🏼♂️
@Sarcastic Wombat, that’s what I was thinking.
@Not A Wolf, you make them sound like hedgehogs.
@The Dark Lord Vader, hi. 3rd generation Nazarene here. Just wanted to say I’m with you. I don’t necessarily agree with everything in that organization but yes be respectful. I have had wonderful conversations with the missionaries in my community. They are aware of my roots and where I stand and know I won’t convert, but they still enjoy coming over for our discussions. They even come over at a later time in the day because they know I work third shift. Just a little kindness goes a long way, really if you strip away the things that everyone wants to argue about when it comes to religion that’s what they are about. Don’t be dicks to other people and love your god. You can do both.
@The Dark Lord Vader, yeah, what he said
@The Dark Lord Vader, You have my pity.
@NotFlat, They're like pushy salesmen. They take advantage of your politeness.
@Hellboi, that is, if you believe the author to be credible.
@The Dark Lord Vader, they dont even mention their mormons anymore, last time they started it with " do you have anyone you love in life?" I dont trust missonaries
@The Dark Lord Vader, so if a group of satan worshippers came to your door once a week to spread the good word of satan you would be cool with it as long as they were polite everytime? They have every right to worship in private without trying to push their ideals on others. Just like the mormons, jehovah's witnesses, Christians, Jews, muslims, etc... but I'm guessing you don't want to hear about satanic worship at your front door.
@The Dark Lord Vader, My best friend in high school was Mormon and the teachings and practices literally sent her to a mental hospital. The church then told her all her non-Mormon friends were her issue so she then cut me out of her life.
@Not A Wolf, I served in the south and very much appreciated cold water! Most didn’t care to hear our message but were kind and decent enough to appreciate the work we were doing
@Hellboi, just because of the label, we don't how exactly how it went down. She could have said, I don't have time because I am going to work in my garden, and they offered to help.
Either way, they are helping her out and I am betting if she felt like they were doing something she didn't like, she would ask them to leave.
Missionaries aren't like a alarm, car, or magazine salesman who hard sells for commission. They pay to go on missions, they don't make money off of it.
@Weird Porn Stash, maybe some, not as a general though. They are basically 19-21 year old volunteers.
@The Dark Lord Vader, I’ll be extremely polite and I think that’s the issue, unless you’re rude to them they feel you’re the type of person they can continue to prey on until you literally close the door in their face. I’ll say things like, “I appreciate the thought but I’m really not interested” and they’ll respond with, “I understand but have you considered...?” And I’ll be like, “No thank you” and once again they’ll respond, “all we ask is that you take a moment to read our literature and give a chance to....” and I’ll say “look I’m spending time with my family on my day off, can you please leave now?” And they’ll respond with, “this will only take a minute”. Unless you’re rude they won’t leave because they prey on those who are polite. You say you don’t try to be pushy but I’ve never experienced somebody who wasn’t in my whole life, and as you can see others have the same experience. You may not personally be pushy but the actual majority of your members are.
@The Dark Lord Vader, i guess some make it bad for the many, last i had some come up to my door i said no thank you and tried closing it and he put his foot in the door
@Majesticmoose00, That's great for them, but if I say "no thank you" twice and they keep pushing, I'm going to tell them to fvck off. Which is how it's always gone in my interactions. Luckily they don't come to my house very often.
When I was a full time missionary, after being told 'I'm not interested' I would ask, "Is there anything we can do to help you out?" And I helped plenty of people in their garden, shoveling snow, raking leaves, etc. But I personally wasn't pushy or in their face. It's just a nice thing to do I guess. Part of the foundation of the church is to do service for others. And I guess the message here is that even if we can't agree on certain gospel and theological topics, we can at least agree on service.
@SexyMormon, we have a few in our city who do service right off the bat and then if the opportunity to talk comes up great, if not they say thank you for the opportunity to serve and go on with their lives. They’ve mowed lawns, fixed fences, raked leaves, painted, and numerous other things. Honestly that aspect of it is something all of us should be doing. Helping others without any expectations. I am not Mormon. I’ve been to many churches that are quick to help members that need it, but not so quick to help everyone. That’s not a good way to live. One year a men’s study I was involved with went around with lawn equipment and anyone who needed the yard mowed we asked if we could mow it for free, and that was that. Some talked after, others got a free mow. And that’s great. Serve to serve, not to get anything. Sorry for the long response just typing away
I don’t understand what about them people consider cultish... they are just Christians...
@fuzzinator, It's mostly just something they tag on to give an overall negative connotation
I find it interesting how people can look down on others so easily when they have no understanding of their beliefs.
Hey I live in Utah, missionaries came to my door last week. My coworkers went on their missions. They are allowed to use email once a week every Monday, and call home to family twice a year. No technology. Missionaries love shoveling snow, doing yard work because it gives them something to do to pass the 10 hour days, 5 days a week, for 2 years
Just remember, good people can be brainwashed too, but still remain good people for the most part.
@ThePandaPool , to consider them brainwashed is to assume you know or understand them as an individual. We all have crazy ideas about things, but to come to the conclusion that others are crazy and we are not is to make the assertion that you have it all figured out and no one else does. They deny basic facts, this is true, but at the same time you most likely do the same, but believe you are not, no? You can call it a stupid ideology, sure, but I would refrain from calling people brainwashed.
@Autismo, I've seen some of your comments. I know better than to take your advice on these matters.
@ThePandaPool , you disagree with what I say, therefore you can't have a conversation with me? Cool. It's great to know those who are willing to cast aspersions aren't ready to be challenged themselves.
@ThePandaPool , I'm curious; what encounters have you had that makes you believe that they are brainwashed?
@The Dark Lord Vader, how else do you refer to the indoctrination of children at a young age before they have a good sense of themselves or reason?
@ThePandaPool , *offers highfive*
@The Pun Shielder, I'll take it. 😋
@ThePandaPool , I grew up in this religion, and never felt "indoctrinated". I was taught what the beliefs were, then left to decide for myself. Especially when I moved away from my parents, I truly had to find what I believed. So I disagree with your theory of brainwashing, but to each their own.
@The Dark Lord Vader, if you "felt" indoctrinated, it wouldn't work. What you just explained is how indoctrination works. Immerse someone in your belief structure, teach them what you want them to fallow while they are impressionable, and make them believe it was all their idea/ choice.
@ThePandaPool , I refer to it as the public school system
@The Dark Lord Vader, being brought up with specific set of ideology beliefs is in fact brainwashing. How else would religion spread. Nobody comes to these beliefs independently. Kids don’t have the capacity to rationally think through various religions and come to their own conclusion. They are taught to believe a specific idea. Some people grow out of it. Many don’t.
@ThePandaPool , By your logic you could say that we were 'indoctrinated' to wear pants. If a parent is part of something that they consider to be among the greatest things on earth, then why wouldn't they share it with their children? 'Twould be silly not to, if you ask me.
@TheKen42, that would be the end result. Otherwise religion would have died out after mankind no longer needed it for justice and order, but that's how it works, and why organized religion has so much money and power.
@ThePandaPool , Or maybe, just maybe, there's more to religion than just words that give you warm fuzzies. Just a thought.
@TheKen42, or people are just using people. Which one is more likely?
@The Dark Lord Vader, I think it’s hilarious that people downvote you even though you haven’t said a single negative thing about them. I’m a member as well and proud of it.
That's why you shouldn't be pushing your religion door to door.
@Dephenistrator, Why not?
@Autismo, because it’s rude to solicit door-to-door. Especially when you keep knocking at the door of people who repeatedly say they aren’t interested.
@NotFlat, it's not rude to solicit door to door. It's only rude to the specific person. What about the person who doesn't mind or is interested? Is that still consider rude? And how will they know who's interested or not. I do however agree, if you say you're not interested and they are still coming back, that's beyond rude and they should be delt with. I would consider putting a no trespassing sign on your window.
@Autismo, we have a no soliciting sign. And in the Salt Lake Valley, there’s no need to go door to door because everyone who lives here is either already mormon or isn’t interested. It’s not possible to live here and not know about the mormons, so I don’t see any reason for them to go door to door here.
@NotFlat, Do they sell their publications or hand them out? If they aren't selling anything then a no soliciting sign is useless, a no trespassing sign allows you to get the law involved, and in some states let's you shoot on sight (not saying you should, but it's an option).
@Autismo, they’re selling religion. You sign up for their cult and pay 10% of your income. And technically I can get the law involved if they don’t leave after I’ve asked them to, that’s still trespassing and there doesn’t have to be a sign posted.
@NotFlat, if you're not paying up front, or at the door it doesn't matter. A no soliciting sign for people who aren't physically selling anything at your door is useless. And a no trespassing sign makes it so you don't have to say a word to them, as soon as they step foot on your property, you can call the police.
@Autismo, I'm all for freedom of religion and I don't bash religion, but it's like a commercial coming to your door and interrupting your life. If I'm looking for a religion I should be able to find it but when it keeps coming to my door it's no different than the ad in the middle of a youtube video except it's possibly interrupting your family business. Just buy some tv ad space or something.
@Dephenistrator, except when it's an add you like. For example, I love to fish, i saw an add for a mystery tackle box and I signed up and loved it, should they now not advertise on YouTube simply because not everyone is interested? How does one get the word out? If your opposition is "I don't like it, therefore it shouldn't be", why is it your say above others. What if your neighbors are interested? Question becomes how does one know of ones interest before hand? If you don't want people coming to your door, I suggest getting a no soliciting sign or a no trespassing sign, therefore they know not to come knocking on your door, it's like when you pay for YouTube red so you don't have to see ads except it's much cheaper.
@Dephenistrator, also wasn't apart of the message from Jesus to speak to everyone about your beliefs? You expect some to say silent because you or some don't like it, is that fair to say. If you don't like it that's completely fine, but the action in itself isn't wrong or hurtful to people, it's like me standing on the street trying to sell my mixtape to people, annoying sure, but there's nothing wrong about it.
@Autismo, going door to door with religioun is really disrespectful and has definitely created more people who dislike mormans than it has created. And there's almost ANY other way to get the message out. You can't level coming to someone's door the same as ad in function, I was comparing it as annoyance but maybe that was a bad idea because there are plenty of places where coming to someone's door bothers them enough that's it's illegal in there area. I repeat, coming to people's doors pressing religion has done more damage to spreading it than good because fence sitters will be angered and people against it will become focused at it as they definitely have. Everyone I know, alot who are religious, find it insulting. It doesn't matter what jesus said in your book, if I didn't ask you to come to my home then you either better be delivering my Amazon package or I'm assuming your possibly a serial killer. This practice is indefensible because you don't have to do this and it's offensive
@Autismo, many peoples privacy. I already had my religious beliefs, but after living in a neighborhood with mormons they made came to my door enough to link their name with frustration in my mind and it never had to be that way. Advertise like normal people, not like solicitors unless you want to be treated like one
@Dephenistrator, I'm not Mormon so I have no idea why you're attributing the book to me. Second I'm not talking about just you or your group of friends, I'm talking about people as a whole, people who come from different places and backgrounds who don't find it disrespectful or don't care. You sound just like lefty politicians when they hear one sad story about immigrants and then try to push broad policies with out considering the entirety. You take your bad experience with Mormons and then broaden it and say no one should do this because I'm against it, why do you have the right to say no one should knock the door on someone else's property? What if that person doesn't have a problem with it? Look I don't like Mormons which is why I have a no trespassing sign, but I don't don't believe I have a right to say who does or doesn't want to be talked to about another religion. If you have a no trespassing sign and they trespass, either shoot them or call the cops.
@Dephenistrator, Quick question, if your neighbor had no problem with it, can they knock on his door?
@Autismo, no, they shouldn't be soliciting door to door. In my area it's illegal because criminals guise as such to get in your home. If my neighbor saw an ad and invited them over then that's a completely different story. Do that instead, it would put everything in a good light. Most people who are not mormon are bothered by these visits, it is far more than just my friends family. I will admit you encouraged me to dump this arguement on the next mormon. Maybe they will be wiser and start a positive ad of neighborhood flyers or something that doesn't make people upset.
@Dephenistrator, That's assuming they see the add at all. Like I said it isn't up to you, if you and your friends have a problem, do what I do and put a no trespassing sign. I'm my families home country it's very common to have people knock on your door and ask you things, that's obviously the people they are targeting. I don't like their tactics but they have their way and they are doing what they think is right, I have no say unless they step on my property. I'm sorry but I'm a libertarian conservative so I can't help but look at it from my world view.
@Dephenistrator, also I've seen positive impact on my community from these sorts of things, reformed gang members, and people down on life. These people were not Mormans and where more subtle with their approach, and after telling them once they never knocked again.
@Autismo, first off, if they don't see the ad and you have to MAKE them see it. Your forcing it down peoples throats and there's no going around that. I'm glad your ok with asshats coming your door, I usually ask their name and threaten to call their company if they come back. They are terrible, it is a violation of privacy with a deeply unwanted and disrespectful ad. Andost any religion can reform a criminal if they are capable of walking down that path all the same. That's not a special story.
@Dephenistrator, first off, no trespassing sign, they wouldn't knock on your door, explained in my comments above, like the first one. Forcing something down someone's throat would be threatening them if they didn't listen. Second, I'm not ok with people knocking on my door, I already explained like 3 times that I have a no trespassing sign so people don't knock at my door. I never said the stories where special, I was making a point to how it helps some and some people actually do want them to knock on their door. Why you keep shoving things I'm my mouth is beyond me. The simple point I am making right now, is that if people want to preach their word by knocking on doors, I don't give a shjt, none of my business unless they do it at my house. And I have no right to tell them not to knock on other people's houses, because I don't live there, I don't know if they want it or not, and it's none of my business.
@Dephenistrator, Now if my neighbor did not want them there, he would get a no trespassing sign, or better yet call the police and make sure they never come again, I could give a shjt if it makes them look bad, that's not my problem, and it's not my place to tell them not to do it, it's up to the owner the him and that is it. You may have a problem with it, and so may your friends, doesn't mean shjt unless it's happening to you or them, you can't compel the same dictates to other just because it bothers you personally. I don't care if you get angry about them coming, do something about it, get a sign, call the police, write a letter to the mayor, and I would support you 100, but you can't compel that same feelings on others.
@Autismo, now your twisting everything i said. They are forcing people to notice them right at their own homes, that's garbage behavior, period. I'm done.
@Dephenistrator, all I did was explain my view point, not once did I say you said anything. But ok I'm the one twisting things.
@Autismo, you are a good seed, Autismo
@NotFlat, I live in the aves and answered the door reeeally hungover one time. The splitting headache shortened my tolerance for it so I said no and shut the door. Haven’t really heard from them since then, but we’re also in SLC. I heard Bountiful and other parts of the valley are really annoying
@NotFlat, first of all it's not a cult mormons aren't dangerous. Secondly, you don't have to pay your tithing. It is a big part of the church, and many more religions just fyi, because it shows kindness. The tithing DONATIONS go to where you want. Places such as building and maintaining temples and church buildings. Paying for the youth group to be able to go do an activity every now and then. Things like that. Not one person profits off of this. They're just a branch of Christians wanting to serve others. They go door to door because what they are teaching they believe to be 100% true and a blessing to have in their lives. You can't blame the mormon church for the missionaries being pushy or too salesmen like. That just depends on who is standing on your doorstep. People aren't good at being people. Also I know you live in Utah and so mormons are everywhere but they still go door to door to teach and to provide any service they can. These young men and women(ages 18-21) don't get paid
@gayshipssareyayships, It is actually a cult. And a stupid one at that lol. Have you ever actually read the book of mormon? Absolutely fing retarded. Its dumber then the bible and thats just sad.
My friend always complains about how he hates Mormons because he has no reason to hate Mormons.
The distance they go to make a sale
I know this is going to be controversial and it's my opinion and I'm allowed to air it under free speech. Here goes:
Those cans are to stop the birds eating the seeds and nothing else.
Whenever they came by my house, I just pretended I wasn't home.
Lol every time i see mormons i burst out laughing. Idk why but for some reason seing these goons walking around town is absolutely comical. Its like seeing a dog walking backwards lol. And the last time i had to deal with a cunt up and knocking on my door i told him that i dont believe in fairy tales and shut the door in his stunned face. Laughed for a good ten minutes. Haven't been bothered sense.
@LaDarkProphet, I’m trying to picture you laughing and making fun of them... sounds to me like you’re the goon
@Rowsdower, I dont dress all fancy and walk around town all high and mighty. Especially not for the sole reason being a ridiculous belief in a fairy tale. How you can act all morally superior to the rest of the human race because your particular fairy tail says your special, is comical. Fing hilarious. Ik ik. Thats mean and hurtful. Well its ok because their imaginary friend will make them feel better ^-^ lolololol
@LaDarkProphet, well, I’m sorry for any past experiences you’ve had that lead you to feel that way. I was once one of those missionaries and was once on the other side of the spectrum questioning my own belief. I do what brings me the most joy and fulfillment. Which is the reason why I’ve come back and remained a faithful member of the LDS church. It’s a belief I value dearly but do my best to not condemn those who try to attack it.
@Rowsdower, Well cults do have a tendency to do that. The herd mentality is strong in humans and its easy for a charismatic leader to lull the gullible masses. Lol the only thing that truly separates cults from religions is numbers. But of course its easy to be on the outside looking in to see the similarities. Its much harder from the cozy inside to see. I dont blame the victims. I just feel sorry for them.
I also feel sorry for you to. Good luck and stay away from any kool aid.
@LaDarkProphet, you’re way more insightful than I initially thought. I actually just got finished making the kool-aid for tomorrow’s Sunday service. I would love for you to join us.
@Rowsdower, I appreciate the offer but i hung up my cult cloak a long time ago. And i see no reason to go back. But thanks anyway. You go ahead and keep your kool aid for someone whos more gullible then i.
@Rowsdower, Hows the cult doing?
@LaDarkProphet, can’t really complain. We found a lucky spotless chicken to cut up so that our sins could be forgiven. I got the head to myself and threw the innards onto everyone else. They seemed to really enjoy the whole ceremony. How’s not believing in anything treating you?
@Rowsdower, Perfectly actually. Spent the whole week doing absolutely nothing but purely rational, logical things like go to work, hang out with friends, family and my gf. Its great. Theres something very nice about only having to deal with the real world. You should try it some time ^-^ Reality is so much better then fantasy and delusions.
"As you sow, so shall you reap.". I can't believe nobody said it yet. Or maybe I missed it.
TBH my mom did the exact same thing; they came looking for my dad