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@I Am Captain Obvious, Dislikes are from people who shoot first and don't care if they kill a human. Going to the same low as a criminal makes you a criminal in my eyes. If theres an option for no deaths then I'll take it. Not against guns for protection, but guns are such overkill, or in this case a car...
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Both parties we arrested. The man for his part in the theft /attempted theft and the woman for assault with a deadly weapon. I hope they're BOTH convicted. Nowhere is there any mention of the man (while he is a criminal, and was breaking the law) having a weapon or making any threats. When confronted, he fled. She said she ran him over because him getting away "isn't fair". Well, life isn't fair. You can defend yourself if you are in danger. However, this woman's life was not in danger, and thus this is not self defense, but rather assault, and borderline attempted murder.
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@HoorayFerSocks, Justice? Yes. But your reaction must fit the crime. If you try to steal my car, and i shoot you, what happens? I go to jail. Why? Because you did not pose an immediate threat to my life. This is the same situation. I agree, he's a piece of trash. But, you still have to abide by the law. What she should've done is simply reported him to the police.
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@tichenord, if someones trying to rob you have zero idea how much of a threat which means they could be the biggest threat there is. Id kill the dude in half a second just incase he didnt have time to get out his gun, knife, or grenade. Thats the most bs line ive ever heard if someones robbing someone else theyre lower than low and have no qualms destroying someones life to slightly improve their own and they deserve whatever their victims do defending themselves. Was this woman just supposed to let the man go? So he never faces criminal charges? Wheres the justice there? Just letting a criminal go because your means of taking them in is too violent?
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@FFCrisisC, I do agree for the most part. However, in THIS CASE, when confronted, the man didn't attempt to hurt her. He ran away. She only ran him over AFTER he ran. For instance, if you break in my house, and I shoot you, I'm in the clear. However, if you're laying there and I walk up and empty the mag into you, now I've just executed you and I'm going to jail in most cases. Any threat he may have posed was ended and then she made the decision to run him over, not because she felt threatened, but because it "wasn't fair" that he could get away.
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@tichenord, exactly its not fair that he could get away with that. Why should she let him go and try to rob someone else and possibly succeed or end up hurting someone else? She was entirely in the right stopping a dangerous man from getting away and doing it again. Why is anyone defending a criminal who knowingly and willingly tried to take another persons belongings? Their utter scum that doesnt care if they ruin lives to improve their own.
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@FFCrisisC, If you want to stop ever scum bag out there, become a cop. But you can't justify deadly force against someone who is not trying to harm you. Now, there is something called the Fleeing Felon Rule which states that you may use appropriate force, including deadly force, in order to stop someone in the commission of a felony. BUT you have to be extremely careful because much like this case, you may believe you're right, but the law may disagree.
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@FFCrisisC, Fair or not has nothing to do with it. Would you seriously kill someone over personal belongings that can be replaced? You have to know when to let the law handle it. Unless it's a case of self defense, leave the policing to the police. She could've simply drove the other direction, but she deliberately went towards him and hit him. At the very moment that he fled, and she got in the car, he was no longer a threat to her. He was running away, and there was nothing stopping her from leaving the scene. And THAT is why she's charged with assault with a deadly weapon.
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@FFCrisisC, Do some research. If someone is not brandishing a weapon, not making threats, they're running away, regardless of if they took something of yours, and you kill them, that's assault with a deadly weapon, or could even be manslaughter or murder. You can do what you want, but you have to know the law, otherwise you'll think you're in the right and you'll go to prison.
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@FFCrisisC, That's fine. Every person is entitled to their opinion. But if you break the law, you go to jail... that's just life. Now, that said, let me clarify something: If someone had, let's say punched the guy and held him down till the cops got there and arrested him, that person would be a hero. I'm not saying don't stop them. But it's when you use DEADLY force that it becomes an issue.
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@tichenord, What's funny about you mentioning the fleeing felon rule. If he tried to grab her purse. And her smartphone was in it. That alone would make his attempt at robbery a felony. A lot of people. Especially teens. Don't realize that most smartphone cost well over that threshold of what counts in value as a felony. Just because you paid $200 for that smartphone when signing a contract. Doesn't mean it cost only $200. The contract subsidizes the rest of the cost. An iPhone 7 for example will still have a value of $800 or more. And this isnt including. How much money she was packing in her purse. So yeah, there was a good chance what he was commuting a felony by trying to take her purse. Edited: just an FYI. I'm aware that an immediate threat needs to be on you life before you are allowed to use deadly force to protect it.
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@tichenord, This poses a question though. If I am parked in my car and someone comes up in front of me. Points a gun at me and yells get out of the car or give me your money. Do I have right drop it in gear and hit them with my car in defense? I would think yes. Because I am meeting deadly force with force. Regardless of the weapon I choose to use to defend myself. Since my life is being threatened.
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@Seohn, Now as for the second comment, Yes. Deadly force is deadly force. It doesn't matter if you shoot them, stab them, or park on top of them. Remember a while back when the cop ran the lady over? What's different between that case and this one? She had a weapon, and this guy did not. The simple fact that he was not a life threat is why that woman is facing charges. That's the risk you take what you take the law into your own hands.
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@local anarchist , Let's not blur the lines between fact an opinion. It's a fact that killing someone who is not a threat is a crime. It's a threat that murder is a crime. It's documented. It's stated in black and white in the law. While parts of the American justice system MAY be corrupt, what unquestionable evidence do you have? I'm not gonna debate whether corruption is here or there.... just remember that not all opinion are the same as fact.
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@tichenord, if they didn't try stealing my crap I wouldn't have to shoot them. And idk man I can find about 10 more burgulers and robbers for every one killed, all the data and time spent on my phone isn't recoverable (even with a purse it could have been received from a dead grandma as a heirloom. Either way robbing someone and having the chance of being shot while running would sure as hell stop most petty criminals from trying in the first place)
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@whats a joke, "have to"...... that's where you're wrong. Now in many cases, sure, deadly force can be justified. But in this case? No. She purposely ran back to her car for the sole purpose of running him down. She premeditated running him over. And he didn't pose an immediate threat to her life. You may agree with her, but you'd be just as guilty if you did the same
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@tichenord, let me rephrase that: if they didn't steal my stuff I wouldn't have a desire to take measures to get my stuff back. I am not disagreeing this is in violation of the law, I am disagreeing with the law itself. I would be the first to grab a gun and point it at someone for stealing my phone. You steal from someone you should assume the risk they might not like it. Your fault.
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@tichenord, iirc the law sees pulling the gun and using the gun as the same intent (because the law assumes you intend to kill them if you pull the gun). I would much rather have one less robber on the streets and have my stuff than a police report and a robber potentially getting too big for his briches and getting a gun himself to rob bigger people and killing someone. Far fetched but hey you resorted to petty theft. What's to say someonr won't stop there. Don't know don't care. Don't steal and they don't have anything to worry about.
I feel as if these needs a whole lot more context