I feel as if these needs a whole lot more context
@Pteranodex, Pregnant lady ran over a guy who tried to snatch her purse.
@Pteranodex, no context is best context
@Pteranodex, pregnant lady got her purse snatched and she ran him over with her car.
@Pteranodex, last I heard both are being criminally charged
@Pteranodex, pregnant lady runs over man the stole her cheeseburger ( not really )
@Bionicbonk, good, because as much as what that guy did is wrong, what she did was worse. Petty theft and assault aren't grounds for attempted murder
@tichenord, thanks for the explanation I thought I opened my other favorite app snuffpics
@I Am Captain Obvious, I agree, not an appropriate reaction
@I Am Captain Obvious, Dislikes are from people who shoot first and don't care if they kill a human. Going to the same low as a criminal makes you a criminal in my eyes. If theres an option for no deaths then I'll take it. Not against guns for protection, but guns are such overkill, or in this case a car...
Wonder how many points they got.
@nuno714, 25 RP- standard GTA
I don't agree with the method, but nonetheless, every action warrants a reaction.
Both parties we arrested. The man for his part in the theft /attempted theft and the woman for assault with a deadly weapon. I hope they're BOTH convicted. Nowhere is there any mention of the man (while he is a criminal, and was breaking the law) having a weapon or making any threats. When confronted, he fled. She said she ran him over because him getting away "isn't fair".
Well, life isn't fair. You can defend yourself if you are in danger. However, this woman's life was not in danger, and thus this is not self defense, but rather assault, and borderline attempted murder.
@tichenord, you're too nice. He's a sh!tbag and sh!tbags deserve swift justice.
@tichenord, i think she should have reversed and ran him over again......and again. Maybe even parked ontop of him.
@HoorayFerSocks, Justice? Yes. But your reaction must fit the crime. If you try to steal my car, and i shoot you, what happens? I go to jail. Why? Because you did not pose an immediate threat to my life. This is the same situation. I agree, he's a piece of trash. But, you still have to abide by the law.
What she should've done is simply reported him to the police.
@tichenord, wait, I haven't grabbed my popcorn yet.
@tichenord, you wouldn't go to jail in florida! Castle law. If you are in your car or it's on your property all you have to do is warm them.
@Sr5turbo, Castle Law is only valid if the person poses an imminent threat to someone, which the guy obviously did not, as evident by the fact that he ran when confronted.
@Sr5turbo, Also she wasn't in the car at the time, she only got in so she could chase him.
@tichenord, threat to person OR property. You a a right to defend your property with deadly force. I just went through my concealed carry class the other day. I didn't know either.
Don't get me wrong, I carry a gun and I'm all for self defense, but this simply was not self defense. I'm not saying she should get the death penalty, but there should be a punishment. What she was charged with was a misdemeanor and more than likely she'll be fined or/get probation.
@tichenord, if someones trying to rob you have zero idea how much of a threat which means they could be the biggest threat there is. Id kill the dude in half a second just incase he didnt have time to get out his gun, knife, or grenade. Thats the most bs line ive ever heard if someones robbing someone else theyre lower than low and have no qualms destroying someones life to slightly improve their own and they deserve whatever their victims do defending themselves. Was this woman just supposed to let the man go? So he never faces criminal charges? Wheres the justice there? Just letting a criminal go because your means of taking them in is too violent?
@FFCrisisC, I do agree for the most part. However, in THIS CASE, when confronted, the man didn't attempt to hurt her. He ran away. She only ran him over AFTER he ran.
For instance, if you break in my house, and I shoot you, I'm in the clear. However, if you're laying there and I walk up and empty the mag into you, now I've just executed you and I'm going to jail in most cases.
Any threat he may have posed was ended and then she made the decision to run him over, not because she felt threatened, but because it "wasn't fair" that he could get away.
@FFCrisisC, At the end of the day, if the subject doesn't pose an imminent threat to your life you cannot kill them, or attempted to kill them.
@tichenord, exactly its not fair that he could get away with that. Why should she let him go and try to rob someone else and possibly succeed or end up hurting someone else? She was entirely in the right stopping a dangerous man from getting away and doing it again. Why is anyone defending a criminal who knowingly and willingly tried to take another persons belongings? Their utter scum that doesnt care if they ruin lives to improve their own.
@tichenord, how do you know 100% who does or doesnt pose an imminent threat?
@FFCrisisC, If you want to stop ever scum bag out there, become a cop. But you can't justify deadly force against someone who is not trying to harm you.
Now, there is something called the Fleeing Felon Rule which states that you may use appropriate force, including deadly force, in order to stop someone in the commission of a felony. BUT you have to be extremely careful because much like this case, you may believe you're right, but the law may disagree.
@tichenord, why should i not use deadly force on someone whos shown they have zero regard for another humans life? And even better why is why should i pay for these sad pieces of shjt with my tax dollars when they could have just been killed and only cost me a bullet.
@tichenord, totally! I was just refering to the car theft thing. But if she pulled the gun on him while being robbed in florida...different story.
@FFCrisisC, Fair or not has nothing to do with it. Would you seriously kill someone over personal belongings that can be replaced? You have to know when to let the law handle it. Unless it's a case of self defense, leave the policing to the police. She could've simply drove the other direction, but she deliberately went towards him and hit him. At the very moment that he fled, and she got in the car, he was no longer a threat to her. He was running away, and there was nothing stopping her from leaving the scene. And THAT is why she's charged with assault with a deadly weapon.
@tichenord, yes i would kill someone to protect my possesions theyre mine and ive worked hard for them the other person has not and has no reason to be taking it.
@tichenord, and he deserved to be ran down so they could take him to jail. He tried to rob a pregnant woman for fvcks sake. He tried to ruin a pregnant womans life so effectively atleast 2 lives ruined by this scumbag. He deserved it completely
@FFCrisisC, Well, that's not self defense. I can assure you of that. She's only charged with a misdemeanor. She could be charged with premeditated attempted murder. She purposely ran down a man who was leaving the scene and was no threat to her.
@tichenord, who tried to rob her... other countries theyd just execute the dude lmao why is america so protective of its criminals ffs they dont care about your life why do you care about theirs?
@FFCrisisC, Do some research. If someone is not brandishing a weapon, not making threats, they're running away, regardless of if they took something of yours, and you kill them, that's assault with a deadly weapon, or could even be manslaughter or murder. You can do what you want, but you have to know the law, otherwise you'll think you're in the right and you'll go to prison.
@tichenord, im not arguing that that is or isnt a law. I dont see where at any point i said that or made that implied. Im stating i completely disagree with it.
@FFCrisisC, That's fine. Every person is entitled to their opinion. But if you break the law, you go to jail... that's just life.
Now, that said, let me clarify something:
If someone had, let's say punched the guy and held him down till the cops got there and arrested him, that person would be a hero. I'm not saying don't stop them.
But it's when you use DEADLY force that it becomes an issue.
@tichenord, What's funny about you mentioning the fleeing felon rule. If he tried to grab her purse. And her smartphone was in it. That alone would make his attempt at robbery a felony. A lot of people. Especially teens. Don't realize that most smartphone cost well over that threshold of what counts in value as a felony. Just because you paid $200 for that smartphone when signing a contract. Doesn't mean it cost only $200. The contract subsidizes the rest of the cost. An iPhone 7 for example will still have a value of $800 or more.
And this isnt including. How much money she was packing in her purse. So yeah, there was a good chance what he was commuting a felony by trying to take her purse.
Edited: just an FYI. I'm aware that an immediate threat needs to be on you life before you are allowed to use deadly force to protect it.
@tichenord, This poses a question though. If I am parked in my car and someone comes up in front of me. Points a gun at me and yells get out of the car or give me your money. Do I have right drop it in gear and hit them with my car in defense?
I would think yes. Because I am meeting deadly force with force. Regardless of the weapon I choose to use to defend myself. Since my life is being threatened.
@Seohn, To your first comment, yes, it may be a felony. But are you a cop? Are you educated in the law? Because you have to be extremely careful or you could end up in trouble like this lady. Are you willing to risk being found in the wrong over a cell phone?
@Seohn, Now as for the second comment, Yes. Deadly force is deadly force. It doesn't matter if you shoot them, stab them, or park on top of them.
Remember a while back when the cop ran the lady over? What's different between that case and this one? She had a weapon, and this guy did not. The simple fact that he was not a life threat is why that woman is facing charges. That's the risk you take what you take the law into your own hands.
@tichenord, disagree. You represent the problem with your comment. Run him over then back up.
@Mit, True. 😂
@tichenord, my local sheriffs department told me to make sure hes dead because we call them cause theyre understaffed
@tichenord, id murder someone if they tried to rob me, hell id murder someone if they did any kind of transgressions against me
@local anarchist , And in many cases you'd go to prison.
@tichenord, not when your police force consist of only 3 people
@local anarchist Whether that's true or not, it's still illegal. But this is America. You are free to do whatever you want. But, if you're not careful you could end up locked up or worse.
@tichenord, indeed it is true, just like how its true that America's justice system is corrupt so ill take my chances
@local anarchist , Let's not blur the lines between fact an opinion. It's a fact that killing someone who is not a threat is a crime. It's a threat that murder is a crime. It's documented. It's stated in black and white in the law. While parts of the American justice system MAY be corrupt, what unquestionable evidence do you have?
I'm not gonna debate whether corruption is here or there.... just remember that not all opinion are the same as fact.
@local anarchist , calm down edge Lord.
@tichenord, I don't want a police report I want my gosh darn purse (I'm a guy and I even would have took out a scumbag. You steal my stuff you are worthless to me.)
@tichenord, maybe the law should be changed.
@whats a joke, maybe you shouldn't use deadly force on someone who isn't trying to kill you.... things can be replaced.
@whats a joke, Worthless or not. Murder is murder.
@tichenord, if they didn't try stealing my crap I wouldn't have to shoot them. And idk man I can find about 10 more burgulers and robbers for every one killed, all the data and time spent on my phone isn't recoverable (even with a purse it could have been received from a dead grandma as a heirloom. Either way robbing someone and having the chance of being shot while running would sure as hell stop most petty criminals from trying in the first place)
@whats a joke, "have to"...... that's where you're wrong. Now in many cases, sure, deadly force can be justified. But in this case? No. She purposely ran back to her car for the sole purpose of running him down. She premeditated running him over. And he didn't pose an immediate threat to her life. You may agree with her, but you'd be just as guilty if you did the same
@whats a joke, There's a set of circumstances that have to be met before you can use deadly force. The most important is do you believe this person to be an imminent threat to your life? If not, you'll be facing criminal charges.
@tichenord, let me rephrase that: if they didn't steal my stuff I wouldn't have a desire to take measures to get my stuff back. I am not disagreeing this is in violation of the law, I am disagreeing with the law itself. I would be the first to grab a gun and point it at someone for stealing my phone. You steal from someone you should assume the risk they might not like it. Your fault.
@tichenord, guaranteed if the robber knew there was a greater risk, they would think about robbing you. In a lawless world, you would Rob someone without a gun way before you Rob someone with one. Let's learn from that.
@whats a joke, I (sort of) agree. If you try to rob me, you're gonna get a Sig Sauer shoved in your face. But unless you mean me harm, I wouldn't pull the trigger. Pulling the trigger is a line you cannot un-cross.
In all seriousness, if you ever use deadly force against someone, you'd better be able to justify it.
@tichenord, iirc the law sees pulling the gun and using the gun as the same intent (because the law assumes you intend to kill them if you pull the gun). I would much rather have one less robber on the streets and have my stuff than a police report and a robber potentially getting too big for his briches and getting a gun himself to rob bigger people and killing someone. Far fetched but hey you resorted to petty theft. What's to say someonr won't stop there. Don't know don't care. Don't steal and they don't have anything to worry about.
@whats a joke, You have to check the laws where you live. For me, I can pull my gun to deter a threat. Vs shooting them is assault with a deadly weapon.
@tichenord, ah. I've been trying to find that out forever. Any references for California?
@FFCrisisC, In almost every state, you'll go to jail if you shoot someone who's running away from you, even if they just robbed you. We have a justice system for a reason. You don't get to be the judge, jury, and executioner for every petty criminal out there.
guys, if you read she did have a gun in her purse so she ran him down so no one would get shot with her gun that he stole
Lol this happened in my hometown and I know that lady. Shes absolutwly insane.
Only at your neighborhood Walmart.
Betch better have my money!
What...What the hell?