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@irishdude, Okay so let me break this down for you. If you are planning on robbing/shooting people. How likely is it that you would do it someplace where there is a good chance someone is carrying a gun? I live in Az 1 out of 7 people carry concealed here. We don't have people shootong up our schools or movie theaters.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, well whatever you self identify as, its a good thing you live in a place where wanting money is the only reason why you would possibly have a gun in your face because you can be robbed of more than just material possessions. where I live their is also the possibility of rape and I shjt you not some guy didn't like seeing your face every day that much so excuse me for my "I'd rather have one and not need it" mentality and secondly I'd love for the world to be at peace where I would never have to worry about hurting someone to protect myself but that's not the world we live in so when the time comes yes I will be that person because if it some idiot or me I bet you won't see random black guy killed on the news
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@random black dude , My preferred pronoun is Comrade. I thought we were going for the robbery scenario. It seems like we live in the same place, because all of that stuff happens where I live too. You can protect yourself without a FVCKING ASSAULT RIFLE. No civilian needs it, none of us, not a one, not in this country. Sorry these statements aren't cohesive, but you get the point.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, see their you go don't make everything so vague comrade. While I do agree with you that most people don't need big rifles like that who are you to stop them from spending their own money on the things they enjoy. Now I want to make this as clear as possible I am pro gun but I even see this open carry protest as idiotic but people are going to find guns legally or illegally no matter what gun laws get put in place so why make it harder for Joe schmoe with no mental disorder or criminal background to have equal hardware if not to protect himself than just to have fun with because you shooting guns are fun if you've never tried it yourself
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@random black dude , Now I'll be as clear as possible. It needs to be harder for people to get guns like these because they are extremely dangerous. Our current policies on them are obviously not working because people keep dying. We all know that guns will always be here, but they can't be here in a way that endangers innocent people. Surely you would agree with that. Also this is just my personal opinion, but guns are such dense weapons anyway, they're loud and sloppy, and they lack any elegance; Why not choose a more dignified form of destruction? Like swords, swords are cool.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, just on the dignified form of destruction bit, I do find swords cool I own a few full tang katanas myself but guns have their own elegance as well and that goes double for precision rifles. I've honestly never came as close to an almost sexual climax than when I put a 223 round through a bullseye more than a football field away
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@jklyt1, Oh come on, just because I'm sick of hearing about people dying in droves doesn't make me a pacifist. I'm not, by any means, forcing others to do anything. I just think the logical solution to our current problem is gun control, seeing as how it works in so many other countries. And yes, I recognize that gun violence happens all over the first world, but not like it does here.
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@jklyt1, I see where the break down is... Nobody wants to take the guns away, gun control is supposed to be a preventative thing. So that in the future, if a person has like schizophrenia for example, they can't get certain kinds of guns. "Well they can always just get a gun illegally and bypass that," you say? Where is their shady gun guy getting his guns? Who is selling shady gun guy a gun, when he probably has a criminal history? What if he's stealing them? Well then give the guns better surveillance. I said it was a viable solution, not a perfect one.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, I'm fine with something like background checks to get guns or soemthing along those lines but we don't need to outlaw guns like a lot of people think is the solution. Yes it may work in some other countries but we aren't some other country. We don't need to conform to the rest of the world.
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@MayITakeYourHatSir, baldness is genetic and obesity doesn't care what clique you were a part of in high school. I think you may just be a little sore from high school. You can say what you want but if you REALLY don't like America that much that you'd compare her to a fat, bald, douchey jock then why not move? You can do that if you want no one will stop you.
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@Texacan, oh the irony; go back and reread your misguided Hissy fit directed at me. I like guns; I keep two long guns here at my office (deer in the meadow behind the firm); I just don't loD them in my truck and walk thru Wal-Mart with one slung over my shoulder like some of the smug grinning neck beards I've seen on the news, clearly enjoying making Moms there trying to shop very nervous. Creepy creeps being creeps; the guns are just their passive-aggressive prop and their behavior is pathetic and embarrassing. I hope that is a clearer statement so you don't have to go all "chocolate? CHOCOLATE?!!?!!" on me with NRA sermonizing. Relax bro it's gonna be alright...breath deep...close your eyes and go serenely to your happy place...*steals wallet, hauls @ss*
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@jklyt1, no there are a lot of hyperventilating chicken littles fretting over such a ridiculous boogeyman, and the NRA and demagogue politicians are MORE than happy to stoke such fears and then profit from the wild-eyed hysterics like ol' Tex here, who needs a brown paper sack to huff into for a few minutes.
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@Remoestmoi, I'm js, it's the instructor's and the parent's fault. They made a stupid judgement about giving a high powered automatic weapon (that even some adults can't handle) to a nine year old. I hate the people that blame the entire thing on the gun. It's stupidity that killed that man. Not the gun itself.
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@THE FRIENDZONE, The worst part is, the gun actually is controllable, and little girls DO shoot them without incident. The problem is, the instructor should have helped her stance, he should have helped her hold it, and he shouldn't have stood in such a poor position with such an inexperienced shooter. He died due to his own negligence.
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@Metzger, I'm saying the gun is not that difficult to control. A CHILD can do it, and many have. However, it is the instructors fault for not properly teaching her how to use the weapon. It would be the same if the little girl had had a .22 rifle and accidentally turned and shot him. He should have been more wary around a new shooter, and especially one so young. He also should not have given her a full magazine to start. That was poor judgement.
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@Trollvahkiin, yes, some children are more aware & "smarter" if you would, but that shouldn't be a reason for anyone to ASSUME every child will handle it well. If parents feel the need to let their children fire one, it should only be given to children who are reasonably experienced. A newcomer, a child JUST PASSING THRU that has NEVER been a frequent at a certain gunrange, should not have been permitted to fire such gun.
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@Metzger, I think we are actually agreeing here. I am saying that the little girl could have shot the Uzi had certain precautions been taken, and had the instructor not been so negligent. The death of the man is solely the fault of the range, and the instructor. It has little to do with the shooter.
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@Metzger, In my honest opinion, I don't believe a child should be handling a fully automatic weapon in the first place. It creates too great a risk for an incident to occur. Where I'm from, (Washington) I have never heard of any such gun range that would allow a child to fire off any kind of loaded gun. I also personally think the parents of that girl, and the workers at that range and others with policies like are extremely irresponsible for placing such a dangerous weapon in the hands of inexperienced children.
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@Remoestmoi, Alright, I've been shooting guns, both competitive and recreational, my whole life. The instructor should have seen the girl struggling with controlling the gun, and he also should have been following standard procedure and complied with the 180 rule, which states that nobody stand within or close to 180 degrees of the shooter. He was standing directy next to her. Also, standard range procedure is to, if the shooter cannot control the weapon, to hold down the shooter's weapon or push the weapon dowb
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@Norple, Okay, so I'm trying this from the website, let's see if it goes thru: I agree completely. That's similar to what I was trying to say. The goal is usually to prevent disaster, not open the door for it, like in this case. You can train /teach a child as much as you want, & they may become very good at shooting, but children lack impulse control, so along with the chance a kick of a weapon could harm or kill someone, there's also a chance the child might see it as a game, forgetting they're holding a REAL loaded weapon, & not just a water shooter like back at home. Too frequently you hear about kids playing with their parents weapons, & something going very wrong, so why hand them a loaded weapon, that isn't fully secured to something, allowing them to just freely hold it? If parents want to teach their children to fire a weapon young, it should be something more their size, because a weapon of that magnitude like in this case, is just unecessary & impractical for a child to use.
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@Remoestmoi, when I was 14 I got the opportunity to go to the gun range with my family. I was given an Uzi to fire and I remember it having a good amount of recoil, but nothing I couldn't handle. I was allowed to fire it with more than one bullet. It was pretty fun. I was given the usual instructions, I was told to do and not to do, and I handled the gun responsibly and carefully( although I was told I went a little heavy on the Uzi when firing) this situation was not ideal, the girl was younger than I was, less muscular as far as I could see, and the instructor was poorly positioned. It is a tragedy, but the hazards were always there. I hope the instructor rests in peace. And I am very sorry for the family, as well as a girl who has to live with taking a life. This whole situation was bad, but pointing fingers isn't the way to go. We just need to learn from these mistakes, and hopefully prevent the same circumstances in the future.
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@Brogle man, exactly. I don't see how kids having guns is a good idea. Especially if the parents are saying "they need to learn self defense with a weapon" -yeah well without adult supervision, they're more likely to shoot someone wether they deserved it or not, because kids don't have as advanced thought processes as adults.
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@Metzger, no but how do you think he got to that point? From practice and starting off shooting I'm not saying the girl should have had the gun cause for a first time it's wrong, but the instructor also was in the wrong and didn't take proper precautions. But just because they are young doesn't mean they can't shoot frankly uneducated children are more harmful because they know how to properly handle them or know the power and responsibilities of gun handling and ownership. Teaches them makes the mistakes less likely to happen
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@THE FRIENDZONE, i fvcking hate people like you. Somebody gets shot, and instead of using some common sense to figure out that a guy was SHOT, you treat the whole thing like the gun is the victim! Then you just run along and blame anything else but guns! Video games, music, books, even other people. Guns DO kill people, and i also hate that stupid excuse "well it can't get up by itsself and shoot somebody, so it must not be dangerous!"if you have a gun in the house, the chances of domestic murder, or suicide, multiply by FIVE! At least with a knife you have to actually be sick enough to STAB someone! But with a gun, you only need to pull the trigger! If that kid or her parents hadn't even been allowed to HAVE a gun, then the instructor wouldn't have died. First, Guns need to be illegal in america, or at least harder to get, second, you people need to realise that guns DO kill people, And finally, you idiots need to stop worshipping guns
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@derp day, Guns are dangerous you idiot. But in this case, the instructor's to blame since he gave a fully automatic gun to a little girl. I hate people like you who blame only the gun for the person's stupidity. And no, it's not that simple to buy a gun like how just described. There is a strict waiting period (about a month here in Cali) between the time that you buy a gun and the time you actually get the gun. Are you 11 years old?
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@Ace Ventura, funny enough, those stores are allowed to not let those people in their stores (there are multiple laws regarding private property, and business) just a side note. I personally agree with open carry. However not of assualt rifles in populated areas, but pistols I agree with 100% assualt rifles shouldnt be condoned for obvious reasons.
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@Texacan, thats long rifles not automatic rifles, pistols CAN be defended against in open and public areas, an automatic rifle is a bit harder to defend against. And no, not everyone who carries one will be killer. However it WOULD make it easier for a dude with some random vendetta with society to take out multiple people before getting taken out himself. Im not going to get into a political debate with anyone. This is the only even remotely anti gun thing that I believe in.
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@Texacan, Calm your tits, Junior. I never said they committed a crime. I simply said they're seeking attention, not unlike a 16 year old boy booming the subs in his Celica at every intersection. I'm pointing out pathetic attention-seeking, not gun issues, so wipe the foam from your mouth, have a thin mint and chill. Jeez...
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@The Lone Guppy, automatic rifles are long rifles. It's required by law that rifle barrels be longer than 16 inches, or the government comes to your house and kills you. Open carrying pistols is actually not a bright idea, because of the ease an assailant can overpower the owner and take to pistol, which is how a multitude of cops met there end. It's a lot easier to take a small object away from someone than a big object. This is why the only same way to carry a pistol is concealed. I'm not saying it should be illegal, it's just not a bright idea for day to day practice.
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@Texacan, Moms trying to shop with their kids in tow are not being intimidated by water buckets. Leering beer bellies with rifles, on the other hand...stop being an apologist for these nimrods. They're not championing some noble cause, they're just being tiresome agitators playing Red Dawn at dollar stores.
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@Texacan, you're clearly just some run-of-the-mill tiresome gun nut spoiling for an argument. And your kind, sadly, are a dime a dozen these days. I like guns; I dislike moaning NRA chicken littles such as yourself. I'm sure you'll go back to lurking until there is another gun-related post then you'll be back, picking fights and doing your wild-eyed squawking. I'll be sure then to IGNORE you; I really have better things to do than trade barbs with a room temp IQ'd walking bumper sticker like yourself. Now run along, kid, or I shall taunt you a second time. (Farts in your general direction).
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@DarkSock, I'm no friend of the NRA you mindless twit. If you in your ignorance were capable if ignoring me, you would have done it by now. You are a coward who thinks it's normal to fear inanimate objects. A brain dead fool like you obviously DOESN'T have better things to do, hence your moronic arguing. Cease your stupidity and I shall cease insulting you. In the mean time, grow a pair and quit being a pussy.
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@Texacan, Well its a lot better than the United States f*cked up health care system that's for sure. I don't mind paying taxes knowing that if I get into an accident or have an unexpected illness that I'll be okay and not have to worry about owing tens of thousands of dollars for simple operations. Have fun fighting insurance companies.
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@Average Canadian, I don't fight insurance companies because I'm not an entitled brat. The US's healthcare is only bad due to the socialistic practices that hospitals are forced to comply with. If your healthcare is so great, why do thousands of Canadians cross the border to receive proper healthcare each year? Not a single American goes to Canada for treatment.
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@Texacan, I can say personally I have perfect healthcare. I have never heard of anybody going to America for treatment, but I have heard of Americans coming to Canada for our healthcare advantages. Your entitled brat comment makes no sense. There are people hired at health insurance companies to find the tiniest flaws in the contract so they don't have to pay for someone's healthcare. I'll stick with Canada.
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@Texacan, Almoat everything you said had probably been told to you by your government. There are a lot of Canadian healthcare advantages. Many people I know are still alive due to Canadian healthcare. My friend has also worked as a medical doctor in the US and moved to Canada and she has informed me of the differences and I'm going to believe someone with first hand knowledge.
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@Average Canadian, what makes you think I believe anything my government says? I'm American! I hate government! Your evidence is biased and anecdotal, where as mine has been the subject of several research articles. I know many people who are dead because of Canadian healthcare, like the girl who was diagnosed with a "heart ache" when she actually had a fatal disease! Your doctor friend probably likes it because they don't have to work as hard and still get paid, meaning the quality of service is terrible.
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When I was at a bus station in Guatemala, a man carrying a machete walked in, leaves unentended baggage in front of some travelers, and walks off. While he turns, I notice he had a gun tucked into his pants. I was 15 at the time and my dad was off to the store to buy a snack. I also had to watch all of our bags. I was ready to go all Bruce Lee in a second.
Anyone else find it ironic that they're in a Target?