It's better to have a gun and never need instead of not having a gun and needing it just 1 time.
@cuddleslut, lookup the ratio between gun related crimes and uses of guns for self defense
@cuddleslut, criminals don't rob old ladies with smith and Wesson
@Jakobian, any ratios relating to guns and gun related crime in the US tend to vary wildly depending on the source. It's also worth noting that a ratio of crimes involving guns to uses of guns for self defense mean nothing, because although those two things seem related, they actually have nothing to do with each other. And making guns illegal won't solve anything, and neither will refusing to own a gun because you disagree with how criminals use them. If the number of drug related crimes in the US are anything to go by, then all making guns illegal will do is guarantee that that use of guns in self defense ratio goes down to 0, while gun related crimes will probably go down by 5% at most. After all, if somebody's already planning on doing something that will give them a life sentence in jail, then guns being illegal won't dissuade them, especially if they're planning on commuting suicide after they've done it, which is quite common among the gun related crimes that get media coverage.
@Jakobian, also, several places that have banned guns actually have more violent crime overall, with a noticeable example being the UK.
@Jakobian, If you want to present facts, present them yourself dont have other people do the research for you.
@cuddleslut, im not against people having guns, but damn do they go straight for their gun for any form of altercation. Would be better if people werent so damn trigger happy. Also fück gun free zones.
@Jakobian, any anti gun argument is completely retarded and here is why.
With 8 billion people on the planet, there are potentially an infinite amount of variables. Therefore no matter what answer you choose to "end violence", there will literally ALWAYS be violence. Hence forth, it is better to have a means to defend yourself, than it is to try and combat violence by taking said means away.
@Jakobian, I did. There are at least2 defensive uses of a firearm for every person victimized by one
@BigJohnson86, and that’s not even including police officers.
@cuddleslut, when your life depends on seconds, remember the police are only minutes away.
@Jakobian, 500k-3M times a year for defensive uses of guns, violent gun crimes 11k
@cuddleslut, as a former tow truck driver for the police I cannot tell you how many times I have kept my hand on my concealed why towing criminal cars and taking different routes home, I have never had to fire it up, but trust me I have pulled it on a couple people, some times the police have to leave or some one wonders way to close and get arrested, yes not everyone will have this job but, it is a powerful deterrent when it comes to people trying something.
@Marida Cruz, you are a straight up lier. For crime rates https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime
For murder rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
@Marida Cruz, murder rate is 16.3 in the usa and 3.0 in europe per 100k. It is amazing how people can lie to this degree and get away with it.
@Implicit88, when did I say murder? I just said violent crime. Crimes can be violent without being murder.
@Marida Cruz, I'd much rather live in the uk than in the usa, worst thing that happens in our schools is a common cold outbreak 😂
@Trying2kickass, you mean the worse thing that happend is when the Nazis toke over right?
@cuddleslut, that’s why I carry a knife on me. I’d rather have it and never need it than need it once and not have it.
Plus, less chance of me killing the attacker accidentally with a knife than with a gun, I don’t have to worry about my knife jamming or running out of ammo, and there’s far less risk of me defending myself and accidentally wounding or killing an innocent bystander.
@Trying2kickass, yeah, right up until you get arrested for offending somebody. The UK is a dumpster fire.
@I Are Lebo, Hell yeah! Now, I still love my guns... I keep a pistol at home by my bed since there have been some break-ins and shady people here where I live, but my choice weapon when I go out is my handy auto-open knife! And isn't just a tiny little penknife either... ;)
@TheFunniestPics, unfortunately the local laws where I live forbid the possession of switchblades so my knife is a folding knife. Having an auto open blade here could rather easily cost me my freedom and so isn’t worth the risk (same with guns, honestly). That’s why I also take Krav Maga lessons.
@Jakobian, Be careful with that stat - in many cases, ‘used in self defence’ covers everything from ‘shot a guy who tried to murder him’ to ‘thought there might be a prowler outside, so shouted “I’m armed” out a window, but didn’t see anyone’.
Also, the definitions of ‘violent crime’ in the UK are very different from in the US - in the US it’s basically ‘murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault’ but here we record all crimes against the person (including ‘possession of an article with a blade or point’ and ‘causing public alarm or distress’) as violent crimes. So it’s a much wider field and almost impossible to compare based on publicly available information.
(FYI - I’m not arguing for gun control, just talking about statistics).
@Nellybert , you have my sympathy, living in a Nanny State gone mad.
@I Are Lebo, And you have mine, living in a murderous hell-hole of mass shootings and racist lynchings.
Which is about as accurate as believing Fox News’ claims about the UK.
@Nellybert , I live in Canada, dude. And I don’t take Fox’s word on anything. Fox news is right wing propaganda the same way the BBC is left wing propaganda. I base my claims of the UK on things like the police reports for how many people are being arrested every year for ‘malicious communications’, a charge that is antithetical to free speech. What happened to Kate Scottow or Mark Meechan (Count Dankula) are absolutely unacceptable in a free society.
Interesting how you respond to a valid criticism of your country’s state of affairs with a knee jerk ad hominem attack on America and Fox News, neither of which is relevant.
@Nellybert , also, my sympathy was sincere. I wasn’t being a (purposeful) dick. Your defensiveness was not needed.
@Nellybert , way to take someone who was offering sincerity and shît on them. And nice logical fallacy throwing in FOX news. Dolt
@big freedom, My point was that America IS NOT a crime ridden hell hole, but if you judged it based on a limited selection of mainstream media channels you could think it was - similarly, the UK is NOT a ‘nanny state gone mad’.
If I offered you sympathy for living in a country which dominates the league tables for murdering its own children in schools, would you a) thank me for my concern, or b) point out that it’s not like every parent kisses their child goodbye wondering if they’ll see them again, and be annoyed at the insult to your country?
@Nellybert , except the UK is definitely a nanny state gone mad. You’ve had federal discussions regarding the banning of knives and regularly arrest your own citizens for defending themselves from home invaders and for voicing their opinions over the internet. If that’s not Nanny State gone mad I genuinely don’t know what is.
My criticism was valid, which is why my sympathy was genuine. The UK has been following a consistent pattern of being against free speech and that is the opening gambit of tyrants. If the citizens of the UK don’t push back you will lose your freedom. Mark my words.
@Nellybert , also, a better example would be for giving sympathy to Americans for living in a country with a broken judicial system that’s resulted in the highest percentage of incarcerated citizens anywhere outside of brutal dictatorships.
And you know what? I do feel that sympathy for Americans.
@I Are Lebo, why would you be worried about running out of ammo? You shoot till the threat is stopped. A well maintained gun is not going to jam. If you can’t be bothered to maintain your firearms then you probably shouldn’t own one anyways, and at the worst a revolver is extremely low maintenance
@Marida Cruz, you seem to completely have my meaning backwards. I own a rifle, I should be able to use it for home defense if necessary. I believe 2A was created to allow responsible people to defend themselves to the best of their ability. As follows with my beliefs, I meant this as a supporting argument, due to the staggering number of crimes prevented because of responsible gun owners
@Rudolph Schmidt , o have checked the statistics, and meant this as a recommendation of supporting evidence, which I think people should check out
@Scrabby, not anti-gun. Yes, a person should have the right to protect themselves to the best of their ability. Also, it's not like these anti-gun laws are going to magically make criminals follow the law
@BigJohnson86, which is what I want people to know
@Medic135, which is why the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed
@Nellybert , which is why we must use multiple sources and use conservative and liberal estimates. The conservative estimate for violent crimes prevented in the USA is more than double violent crimes committed
@FightingIntheWarRoom, I made a whole list of points and that’s the only one you care about? The gun jamming or running out of ammo are basically the least of my worries.
As a civilian, any problem that can’t be solved in six shots can’t be solved, so I agree that a revolver would be fine and would be unlikely to jam unless I got myself a real POS gun. But they CAN jam unexpectedly, especially if I’m not adept enough to disassemble the firearm and clean it sufficiently.
@Jakobian, it’s hard to convince people with statistics of prevented crimes because there’s alway an element of “you don’t know what could have happened”. Which I think is illogical because in most situations where a good guy with a gun actually did stop a bad guy with a gun, the threat was clear and present.
I’m not personally a big fan of guns, and I have some thoughts about possible ways guns could be regulated in the USA to allow for better safety while maintaining protection, but it’s a complicated topic. I definitely think making guns totally illegal is a bad idea, considering guns are so heavily restricted in Canada that they’re basically illegal for regular citizens, yet we still definitely have gun crimes here.
I mean ones, a given right, the other is stealing.
@Shodai Hokage, yeah they really need to arrest those moms for wanting to steal guns. Btw the photos In your wallet are amazing. Thanks for letting me see them.
@Shodai Hokage, i have a constitutional right to your wallet and i demand these rights not to be infringed
@gettinitfosho, you say that as a joke but that’s basically what anti gay marriage protestors are saying.
I mean... the guy taking my wallet, right? I feel like this is one of those kindergarten questions where the answer is so clear you feel stupid because it couldn’t REALLY be this simple.
@Pseudonymble , I feel like it’s another one of those joke flyers used to defame the libs, like the pro-pedo shît.
@Berntley, probably, there are a hell of a lot of those online.
@Berntley, the libs defame themselves just fine on their own.
@big freedom, So do the Cons. Doesn’t stop them from constantly trying to shît on one another at the same time, now does it?
@Berntley, ?? What?
OH! You think that because I mock the libs that I must be conservative!? Lol. Common mistake, but silly
@big freedom, I know you’re not. I’ve known since our very first conversation on here that you were a libertarian, because, much like a vegan, you don’t seem to shut the fvck up about it. You seem to think yourself the only person capable of calling out both sides.
@Berntley, because I called it out on another thread?
Question? If you’re so capable of calling out both sides, why do you instantly jump to “well the conservatives do it too” when I mock the liberals?
@big freedom, Why do you jump at mocking liberals when I call out the conservatives? If you’re so woke and immune to mainline party politics, why are you so quick to mock the libs and defend the cons?
@big freedom, and for real, I already knew you were a libertarian. We’ve had lengthy discussions about it several times in the past.
@Berntley, the reason why people like Big Freedom jump at the opportunity to call out the liberals, more so than the conservatives, is because as a libertarian, the authoritarian tyranny of the far left is a much greater threat than the isolationism of the far right.
Liberals are typically more concerned with virtues than with principles, which causes them to have more scandals than the conservatives, who adhere (at least publicly) to a much clearer code of conduct.
@I Are Lebo, I don’t know if it was intentional or not, but it sounds like you basically just described conservatives as celebrated hypocrites
@Berntley, ...kinda? I mean, to be fair I find that applies to both parties but I wouldn’t generalize that about conservatives as a whole.
@I Are Lebo, I mean, I recognize both, as well. Which is why I’m pretty much for an all out regime change. A lot of Dems have gotten all wrapped up in corporate and foreign interests, which I find to be just as problematic as the cons who are “vehemently opposed” to abortion, until their mistress gets pregnant. Government is just a plague.
@Berntley, unfortunately, it’s a necessary plague. Anarchy is definitely not better.
@I Are Lebo, but anarchy is so punk
This realy does make you think. Is this saying that you should go to jail for owning a legal item and not doing anything illegal with it, or is it saying that mugging is not a crime. I'm a bit confused.
@The Flame War, 🌈liberals🌈
@The Flame War, I think it’s just a poor attempt at virtue signalling.
He was just borrowing it
@RMB, he just wanted to hold tree fiddy for the bus.
@datpixel, it was at that time that I realized the mugger was actually a three story tall lizard from the Mesozoic era!
Regardless of how I feel about guns, this is just plain stupid.
I mean, guns allow you to cull these morons from the population without having to get close enough to catch the Measles they are likely carrying.
Regardless of your opinions on current gun laws, I think we all see the reality here
A gun is like a parachute, if you don't have one when you need one, you'll probably never need one again
By this logic I’m free to go steal wallets without any repercussions
I gave website to general crime and homicides. Both are lower in uk. Homicide is a crime.
@benderama, fûck you’re stupid
@big freedom, guns are bad
@benderama, counter point - guns are a tool which can be used for good or bad. Mine are used for putting food in my freezer and punching holes in paper at various distances.
Just like you’re a tool, used by liberal media. Learn to think for yourself.
@big freedom, guns are bad! No more borders! The whole world should be one country #worldpeace
@benderama, oh, shît! You’re right!
@big freedom, don’t feed the trolls man 🙄
I Identify myself as Democratic and find this idiotic
So I live in California, a state with some of the strictest gun rules and regulations. But yet in the news, there’s always victims involved with gun violence. I legally purchased a Glock 19 firearm in California for the sole purpose of protecting potential victims of gun violence. I may wound or even kill the perpetrator. I’m also willing to face the consequence of it. Even though I have protected ones lives, I may go to jail for it. I may even get sued by the perpetrators families. I’m willing to go through all that because I’m tired of the news. I’m tired of gun laws that doesn’t do shït. I’m tired of kids being afraid of even going to school. If I can make a difference, then god dammit I will try.
Even AS someone who is pro-gun control, this is fvcking dumb
Stealing a wallet is not legal anywhere, so I think I will go with that as my answer.
What I don't understand is that since they're trying to make murder using a gun illegal, why don't they just make murder itself illegal?
That's a bowling ball
@kingkoopa, yes, it’s furthering the point that the person holding it is stupid for thinking it’s an 8 ball
Even gun control advocates hate these people.
It's only illegal if you do not have a permit for said gun..the only odd behavior I see with some gun owners is when they take out there gun an ask you if you wanna check it out and hold it..like calm down.. it's not a puppy
@Crazy Gingerale, I'm a sword owner and i do this to, and i want to pet puppies and swing swords.