Democracy doesn’t work in feudalism because the populace are so uneducated that their votes couldn’t be informed. Democracy just doesn’t work unless your society is civilized. Otherwise it isn’t actually democracy, it’s just mob rule.
@I Are Lebo, The only system of government I recognize is one were strange ladies lie in ponds distributing swords. All others are like you said mob rule, or irrevocably corrupt.
The sword is without fault or question
@I Are Lebo, *faults in American education system* well that explains the problems with our government
@I Are Lebo, I think Americans in general are much more involved in politics rn than I've ever seen in my life. I think the main problems are
2. Bias confirmation
@MILLIONSAREDEAD, an uninformed populace is an owned populace.
@CellSword, I would add ideological commitment
@I Are Lebo, you sir have your head screwed on straight, good on you man
@I Are Lebo, could you elaborate?
@CellSword, it's really cool to see the informed side of society in folks like yourself though
@CellSword, I mean, like excessive or obsessive adherence to a political narrative rather than an actual critical examination of the facts.
There’s overlap with bias confirmation, but the continued prevalence of proponents of the Wage Gap is a good example of ideological commitment taking priority over truth.
@I Are Lebo, that's a good point, another example I believe would be that 50% of all marriages end in divorce when that hasn't been the case for a long time. So I think you're saying latching on to outdated ideas and/or narratives?
@CellSword, no, you’re misunderstanding.
I also disagree wholeheartedly with the reference to marriage as outdated. Marriages aren’t failing because marriage is outdated, marriages are failing because the attitudes are so gynocentric that fewer men are incentivized to get married and fewer couples are incentivized to stay married.
Why is it in divorces that the woman’s quality of life is considered but the man’s isn’t?
@CellSword, a better example would be the far left activists who take any argument against their position as proof of bigotry.
@fettman1138, I’ve read your comment five times now and I still don’t understand what you’re saying.
@I Are Lebo, (in regards to fettman) it's a Monty python reference
@I Are Lebo, I really wish we had a party in the middle of both extremes
@I Are Lebo, Go watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail. If you have yet to see it, you can thank me later.
@fetman1138, ohhhh. I didn’t catch the reference. I think it’s because you can’t write out a British accent.
@fettman1138, I’ve seen it, I just didn’t make the connection
@CellSword, the two party system is garbage but right now the biggest threat is identity politics.
@I Are Lebo, even a smart populace can go under a mob rule if they cant decipher facts and reality from fakes. Look at nancy pelosis deep fake. Many people believe its true.
@Implicit88, hell, how many people think mattress girl actually was raped?
@I Are Lebo, cant comment. Havent heard about her
@Implicit88, if you feel like further losing faith in humanity, a google search is all that’s needed.
@I Are Lebo, i personally got married because i found someone i would like to share all my moments with and love her. On another note. I have always been independent and can do anything that is needed.
@CellSword, the main problem in politics is the populace is not analytical. They are just hens.
@Implicit88, as much as I could fall in love with someone, if I fell for someone and got hitched and then a year later she left me and took the majority of my stuff because we live in a gynocentric society that treats men like disposable resources, I’d murder her and then myself rather than become yet another man living in poverty while financially supporting an ungrateful cunt that tore his heart out and keeps him from his own kids.
If I ever get married, it will be with an ironclad prenup, or it won’t happen.
@I Are Lebo, just have to know who you are marrying. nd dont do it you g
@I Are Lebo, not true, democracy never works. It always becomes mob rule and quickly becomes an oligarchy. Republics, like America and Rome, work. Really, throughout history, the only two forms of government that truly last longer than a generation are oligarchies and republics.
@Egotiator, I don’t think you have a great grasp of history. There has never been a truly democratic country, and the longest historically lasting government is a monarchy.
@I Are Lebo, I think you should think more carefully. Has there ever been a true monarchy? Or has it been a king, and his courts, and his nobles, and his administrators? Every functioning monarchy is really an oligarchy, a system of government where only the few elite rule the country. oligarchy is how most European countries, and Russia, and China, and many nations are run. Ancient Persia, ancient Mesopotamia, the Roman empire, have also all been oligarchies. Oligarchies and republics have been the only two systems of government that have lasted any real length of time.
@Egotiator, I think that’s a very dishonest way of approaching this issue. By that logic there’s never been a ‘true’ dictatorship, either. Dictators have flunkies, executives, and an assortment of other variably titles minions. No monarchy doesn’t have underlings because then it wouldn’t be a government, it would be an individual family.
Historically, there have been many monarchies. Like I said, I don’t think you have a good grasp of history. I’m not saying that to be rude or insulting, and I apologize if it comes across that way. But your argument is predicated upon a faulty definition of government.
Honestly, I thought it was good that they saw democracy as a joke. It wouldn't make sense otherwise in the setting
@CHICKNUGMASTER, it’s true, but it was still such a campy, frustrating moment. All these characters that I’m supposed to like, sitting together, laughing off democracy. I still got a kick out of it, though.
@Berntley, I agree that it was campy, but I'm glad that they acknowledged explicitly that democracy would be an idiotic outcome for the realm. An elective monarchy isn't actually outside of the realm of possibility.
@CHICKNUGMASTER, oh yeah. If they had gone with democracy, that would have been too far a stretch, for sure. But to see even the likes of Arya and Gendry, both born of royalty, essentially, but one who grew up to cast her standing aside, and another who was raised as a peasant most of his life, scoff at the idea of empowering the population was still...you just kinda hope, in a way. For the sake of the respect you already have for their character.
I think you're not understanding my point. I have quite an extensive background in history, so I doubt that's not the problem. What I'm trying to say is there has never been a true democracy in history that's lasted more than a generation. Feel free to dispute that. it was brought up monarchies exist. I also said that a true monarchy, a government run by one person, including a dictatorship, has never existed beyond one generation. I'm trying to correct the thinking that these concepts of government can exist in the real world. Only governments where an elite few rule the many, or in the rare happenstance of an indirect democracy where the government's power is limited by it's law, like a republic, have ever stood the test of time. That's the only point I'm making. That's in all of human history, when you really boil down all the systems of governments that have ever existed in any major civilization, you can put it into one of those two categories.
@Egotiator, sorry I never saw the post, but you didn’t post it as a reply, and I only just now got brought back by a vote.
You’re engaging in a No True Scotsman fallacy. There has never been a country more democratic than the USA, America was the ‘great experiment’, and even it is a democratically elected constitutional republic. As for Monarchies only being with one person ruling, that’s false. There have been numerous European, African, Asian monarchies. A monarch is not the only person in the ruling class, just like how a dictator or an emperor aren’t, either. A government is always a body of people.
The point that you are making is false and fallacious. You’re putting arbitrary limits on what you consider to be a democracy or a monarchy in order to define existing monarchies as something other than.
I don't get the reference, however, I see Sunny and I approve of Sunny memes.
P.S.: Dennis is totally a psychopath imo. But he's hilarious, they all are, even Frank.
@Hanjurew, last episode of Game of Thrones
@Hanjurew, All the main players at the end are trying to decide on the new leader, or more how they should decide, and one stands up and gives a lovely speech about letting the people have a say, because it’s their world, too, and all that, and he basically gets laughed into a puddle of despair.