I was actually at one of the... marches? Demonstration? Whatever you call it, I was at one. It’s an amazing experience. You could feel the tension in the air. I showed up in the background of a few shots and my boss saw me. Called me into the office the next day and asked why I was there. I told him the truth. “I could either sit at home and get the biased version from the news, or I could drive like 10 minutes and be there in person. So I went. It annoyed me that they managed to get all those people together to do that but I can’t get 5 people together to play D&D. Oh, you wanted to know if I was part of it? No. I just wanted to watch.”
@AceWolf456, no idea what happened
@AceWolf456, Wait, so you're saying you were able to attend an event purely to gain information to increase your understanding of a serious issue?
Someone call Berkley! This shjt is revolutionary!
@AceWolf456, and why are you here boss? Uhhhh. HAH GOTCHA! You’re grounded for a WEEK!
@AceWolf456, I'm moving to the bay area in a few months if you want to get a DnD gang going.
@SimonPetrikov, I gotta admit, when I read it, it sounded too good to be true.
Yayyyy Now do it for Antifa! Then do it for the news crew filming and talking about it daily! Then do it for the authoritarian left and right! Then do it for me like one of your French girls O_O
@Chicochang, there was that antifa guy who assaulted a guy with a bike lock during a riot, and then 4chan managed to figure out his identity and pretty much ruin his life
@YUNoJump, but he didn't get fired, only suspended.
@Doctor Krieger, I was under the impression that the university he worked at basically erased any info on him, but I’d also say that if the university doesn’t want to outright fire him then they’re allowed to do that as much as people hiring the alt-right are allowed to not fire them. What’s important is that the place of employment recognised misconduct at a protest and acted on it.
So just don’t get spotted and it’s ok?
Alternative: Be nice to everyone... except cat-lovers. They can’t be trusted.
@PBnJ, Oi m8 wut in 'ell did you say about me? I'll fooking cut ya gabber and bash ye 'ead in m8, I sware on me mum.
@PBnJ, but I'm a cat lover... they are so furry and cute and tight...
Oh you mean people who keep them as pets... yeah those folk are freaks.
@PBnJ, I'll have you know that my cat is sweet and gentle and loving and-- oh thank god, she left the room, SEND HELP MAN, FOR GOD'S SAKE SEND HELP!!
No body should be fired from their job based on how they spend their time outside of work if it's not harmful to anyone. Ever.
Everybody everybody!!! I
Repeat after me
Everyone who disagrees with me is not a Nazi.
Thank you have a nice scroll
@Medic135, pretty sure this is talking about the people from Charlottesville who literally carried the nazi flag
@K1l, my statement still stands
@Medic135, true, just not relevant to what the guy was saying
@K1l, shut up Nazi
@Medic135, well, you got me there
@K1l, is it? So everyone who is there, regardless of actual beliefs, is now a literal nazi, despite the most upvoted comment here being someone who attended the event literally just for information. But sure, he's a sub-human nazi too.
@PB2, so, the people who were flying Nazi flags and chanting anti-semetic tjings are the nazis. Just like the people wearing all black, masks and carrying the antifa flag are antifa members
When a mob of commies call you a Nazi it must be you that’s wrong
@theprofprofessor, when you’re carrying a swastika flag, it is probably you that’s wrong.
@UmActually, “Liberals get the bullet too”
@theprofprofessor, One of those swastika flag-bearers drove a car into a crowd on purpose and killed. Rhetoric is incomparable when one side has committed murder and the other has not.
@UmActually, I don’t know if Antifa have committed murder but they have committed more violence, property damage, censorship and rioting than the right has. Not that any of this should be happening but it is, and being initiated by Antifa most of the time
@theprofprofessor, They haven’t committed murder. I don’t just vomit up statements. So you’d trade everything destroyed by Antifa over a human life + everything the Nazis have destroyed?
@UmActually, The right’s actions vs the left have mainly been in retaliation to the lefts influence and actions (not that it’s justified to do what they do). If the left weren’t censoring speakers from the right, pushing radical left wing policies with the backing of the mainstream media and generally not being challenged on their actions, there wouldn’t be any of the mass fights at rallies. Legitimate Nazis should be challenged at every turn but so should Antifa (which includes falsely labelling people as Nazis and the media going along with it)
@theprofprofessor, You literally just justified it, “They only do this because YOU make them want to!” Okay, sure. What did the innocent bystanders that got beaten up in the parking garage at Charlottesville do? By that logic, the right caused Antifa by pushing far right politics. Also, the government censors, the people protest. Also, those speakers ranged from Anne Coulter, a certifiable xenophobe (takes umbrage with Mattel for a doll solely because it’s Muslim, calling it “Jihad Barbie”) to Milo Yiannopolis, an open pedophile apologetic, and Richard Spencer, who’s shared stories promoting a fake narrative of a planned white genocide and advocating for eugenics.
@UmActually, Doesn’t matter how justified you believe censorship to be (with the Alt-Right being genuine fckwits). But censorship is censorship and it infringes on the American right to free speech which people are going to be pissed off about and worried about the implications of that sort of censorship being expanded to other groups the far left doesn’t like (which is most groups).
@theprofprofessor, Again, people cannot censor other people. You can’t take people to court for infringing on your right to free speech.
@UmActually, Antifa have been censoring people by pressuring universities and other authorities to deplatform speakers using mob rule and riots. So yes they have been censoring people
@theprofprofessor, Okay, so censorship is actually something you can take parties to court for. Governmental bodies, again, not groups of individuals. If I’m teaching an English class (which I never would do, Math/Science all the way, baby) and someone doesn’t like the way I always talk about Shakespeare, if enough people complain, boycott, and petition the school, I could get fired. Is that censorship? No.
@UmActually, Regardless of who can sue who, deplatforming and silencing people based on their opinion is still an issue that people get pissed off at regardless of who’s doing it
@theprofprofessor, Of course! You can get pissed off whenever you want to. It’s not censorship. Universities and business caving to public outcry is par and parcel with freedom to protest. I don’t think those protesters, the vast majority of whom weren’t involved with prior destruction, deserved it when the shouting at Charlottesville turned into the white nationalists breaking the police barricade. It’s also important to note that “Antifa” is a range of political opinion, from centrists to violent marxists. Their opposite is more broken up into smaller groups, making it hard to be a moderate in a small cell formed on the basis of racial superiority .
@UmActually, caving to public outcry is not what generally happens.
What happens is that Antifa puts out fliers saying that if speaker X comes, they’ll commit violence and cause property damage. The University then says that they can’t have violence, so they cancel the speaker. That isn’t public outcry, it’s extortion.
Oh, and you should look up “hecklers veto.” It’s a legal doctrine dating back to like the 1950s.
On another note. You teach Math and Science? Is that new? I thought I remembered reading that you were in college or something. Did you graduate last year? If so, congrats :)
@talmet, Hecklers veto applies to when authorities cancel events out of fear of violence. Berkeley definitely applies if the event was cancelled by government officials. Others, where violence didn’t occur, would be considered a successful protest.
Thank you! But I’ve been teaching math for 14 years now, and I taught physics for 5 of them. I was teaching at a university last year, so that might have been it.
@UmActually, incorrect on what a hecklers veto is.
It is an idea that comes from a Supreme Court case in the 1940-1950s (I forget exact year). The basic idea is that your freedom of speech cannot be used to prevent another persons freedom of speech. Which is why it’s called a hecklers veto, not a threatening veto or something. A heckler is someone that gets up during a speech, and starts yelling over the speaker.
If someone is saying something that you don’t agree with, there is very little you can legally do. You can’t shout over them, you can’t block entrance to a public building, you can’t threaten violence (or commit violence).
I guess that was it, or maybe I was getting you confused with someone else. Where do you teach now? You say you were at a University...high school now? I’m impressed, I couldn’t do that (I’ve been teaching physics for 11 years now. I just got my doctorate in Math last year, but I don’t teach it. I just did it to help with my research, as I needed to be
@UmActually, better at perturbation theory, and dealing with summations.
@talmet, “the legal framework is based on a court case Hill v. Colorado 530 US 703, 735 where the US Supreme Court found that the government can not grant power to a private actor, the heckler, to unilaterally silence a speaker because of a concern for the violent reaction by the heckler.” This was in a case regarding the right for civil rights groups to protest, when the government refused permits to them for fear of violence.
@UmActually, the original case is Feiner v. New York, 340 U.S. 315 (1951)
@UmActually, wow, so you take something from Huffington post...hahahaha. Come on, I enjoy discussing things with you, but seriously? Can I post things from Breitbart to counter that?????
@talmet, High School, I taught Statistics and Remedial Math at a few universities in Victoria while my wife was getting her doctorate in Theoretical Physics because she decided that clinical psych was too draining (she worked with people on watch in hospitals for 3 nearly sleepless years, I don’t blame her at all) I much prefer high school, mainly because I don’t like getting emails from drunk college students asking me to move my exam back a day because they’ll be too hungover. Give me teenage drama over kid-adults any day.
@talmet, In Feiner v. New York, he was arrested for inciting a breach of the peace. That was the crux of the argument. You cannot be arrested for speaking, even if it is inflammatory.
@UmActually, wow, yeah. Your wife sounds like she had a very stressful job, I hope she likes her new one better. Does she do university or corporate work now?
True. I remember those emails from when I used to teach freshmen physics. I moved to higher level courses (I teach one undergraduate course, junior level, and the rest are all postgraduate courses.)
@UmActually, personally, my least favorite email was from parents complaining that their child wasn’t getting an A.
@talmet, Currently University, she teaches one class and they pay her enough so she can hole up and research. I have a doctorate in physics and I only have a vague notion of what her research is doing specifically.
And postgraduate classes are the BEST to teach. Especially because no one dicks around because it’s too late to switch career paths.
@talmet, I’ve only received those from freshman families and I just want to be like, “Your kid is alone for the first time in his life, he is fvcking up because you never let him mess around.”
@UmActually, lol, yeah. Physics has split into some very different areas over the past few decades...I specialize in condensed matter physics (been working on high temp superconductors for the past few years.) But other than the general gist, I have no idea what is going on with most other areas.
I don’t know if it’s to late to switch, but everyone in the class wants to be there, and they are grown up enough that I don’t have to deal with hangovers, parents, etc..
Yup. What’s that called, helicopter parents? So annoying to deal with....
@talmet, Bingo to all those.
Whenever I am asked specifically what she does, I’m always like, “something with light or heat I think.” She’s explained it to me twice, realized I wasn’t getting it, and absolutely avoids specifics about it now but I THINK it is something about thermodynamics and quantum gravity.
@UmActually, she’s doing fundamental physics? In the last 5-10 years or so, a lot of work with those two ideas has been done.
Basic idea: people working on the black hole information paradox realized that solving it might (key word, might) let them crack into a quantum theory of gravity. The key has to do with the fact that in quantum field theory, locations in space can become entangled with each other. And playing around with the equations revealed two things:
1) the amount of entanglement is directly correlated with how close two locations are.
2) if you reduce the amount of entanglement between two locations, the distance between them increases.
Which means, in theory, entanglement causes the geometry of space. Thus, entanglement is the mechanism for general relativity.
*At least I think that’s right, I work in condensed matter...and some of the above was realized in condensed matter physics first (instead of closeness, entanglement is related to conductivity).
@UmActually, if you are wondering, Black holes come into play, because of the issue of one member of a entangled pair falling into a black hole.
@talmet, I’m like 90% sure that’s what she does. She’s been home for a few days because she’s finishing her section of a book she’s coauthoring with some colleagues, and her notes that I’ve been helping file are covering entanglement, but then again, her notes are basically illegible.
@UmActually, apparently 2 people are Nazi sympathizers...
@SchroedingerPussPuss, this sort of logic needs to die off and quickly. "Oh someone disagreed with me, they are either literal Nazis or Nazi sympathizers."
Yeah, or maybe they just think you can f*ck yourself? Ever thought of that? Or god forbid, they may have a completely different, researched and supported side that introduces subtlty and nuance that you folks blindly disregard to paint entire groups as f*cking nazis, or sexists or racists or whatever other buzzword slur you want to hurl at people who simply disagree with you— seemingly for any and all reasons, even when you have no clue what the reason is. Better just assume their a nazi right? I mean who ever has civil discussions anymore, pfft.
"You're either with us or a f*ckin' nazi, no middle ground, no debate, no nuance."— liberals 2017
So yeah, f*ck that, and f*ck those who think that way.
@PB2, I think he was referring to my comment that got down voted by two people that said that the people waving swastikas were Nazis.
Break their legs quickly shove them in the vault, break their legs quickly shove them in the vault. If their really Nazi soldiers take their heads off their shoulders break their legs quickly shove them in the vault.
(Stewi Griffin voice) AGAIN AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
Not everyone that is right is a nazi.