I hate these pictures. There's so much I want to say, but I'm too lazy to type everything out. Especially once somebody starts arguing with me.
@Bench, "who developed the medicine?" There did it for ya m8
Let’s play we don’t understand economics, human nature, or scientific effort!
Wait, that’s too hard to say, we should come up with a word to convey these ideas succinctly... oh wait, it already exists!
@Hot Coffee, what’s wrong with socialism?
@Landrover, human nature
@Hot Coffee, that’s also what’s wrong with capitalism
@Landrover, agreed. I don’t advocate for a pure form of anything. People will always exploit a system through dishonest and self-serving behavior which will require rules that contradict whatever system you adhere to.
If you advocate for capitalism, there’ll always be a snake oil salesmen or some who tweaks the scales so they sell you less product than you pay for. If you think the weak and vulnerable need protection from dishonest people, laws that restrict people’s behavior is necessary.
If you advocate for socialism, you’ll have to accept that some people will abuse the system and if you believe everyone should contribute equal to their ability you have to make rules to force people to do things they would not otherwise do.
Hopefully you can see the difference between these problems. If not, study the histories of socialist governments and compare them to the histories of capitalist societies.
@Hot Coffee, always so well educated, I always trigger Landrover lolololol I don’t think he likes me. Totally true what you just said. With great power comes great responsibilities and corruption comes knocking. If I had to pick one tho I would choose capitalism. Mainly bc of the economic growth aspect of it. Now socialism looks fantastic on paper... but over and over it fails to meet expectations. The consumer never wins. I am all about opportunity my friend
@Landrover, why don’t you ask Venezuelans? Or any of the other host of failed socialist countries for that matter.
@Jolee Bindo, don't forget other socialist failures like Germany and England and Sweden! Those people have had it really it rough with their education, health care, and economic prosperity
@Split personality, great examples of non-pure governmental systems!
@Landrover, free market economy allows for bad companies to not exist. That doesn’t happen in socialism.
@Split personality, and homogeneous populations and sagging economy and not having to spend money on defense.
@big freedom, that is fair. Don't forget geographic concerns as well - there are certainly lots of difficulties for health care in the US. They might be worth it, is all
@Hot Coffee, but sharing is caring :(
@big freedom, I didn’t want to rain on their parade, but yes, they’re definitely a warning for what happens when socialism becomes overly dominant in a society.
@seeUpee, thank you kind sir! I agree that opportunity is king. Government to ensure fair trade and good infrastructure to facilitate trade and protect our borders, but not much more than that.
Yeah, but you need to pay more in taxes AND there tends to be waiting periods in public healthcare, so in the end it's still best to get private. According my Australian friend; In Australia, you can have both, the government does help pay for medicine, but if you want to get a surgery, you need to go private. The USA is in a state where we can't *just* go that route, we're kinda fvcked.
@Elmato, you can go private anywhere, money talks
@JAMA, I know, I was just giving an example
@Elmato, i find the biggest issue to be price regulation for medicine. In the us they can pretty much charge you anything, whereas other countries force them to charge a fair price
@Elmato, The other thing to keep in mind is that copays and insurance premiums tend to add up to more than the tax increase would be for most people.
@Elmato, It's still better than the America's system where either you overpay out of pocket if you're lucky to have your employer to be kind enough to allow you to keep your insurance, or you don't have insurance and they let you die.
@HappyBandit7, This is untrue, and a common thing I keep hearing people say. You aren't just left to die in the US if you don't have insurance or the money to pay for a procedure. The medical field requires doctors to perform treatment in an ER. Money is sorted after you're stable.
Do people go bankrupt for being treated and billed? I've certainly heard of it happening, yes. I agree that medicine in the US needs to be examined, with prices being set at a fair and reasonable rate for those who need to pay out of pocket, but it is a myth that hospitals will simply let you die if you can't pay.
@Elmato, not entirely true, I broke my collar bone and wanted surgery but the doctors initially wanted to just let it heal naturally. But I argued my case and gave my reasons and they relented and did the surgery. All paid for by the (Australian) government.
@Elmato, satisfaction rates. Mortality rates. Bankruptcy rates. Actual health metrics. Life expectancy. Drug addiction. A number of other measurable differences could tell you single payer systems result in higher quality. Lower overall cost. Less profiteering. 100% coverage. Its not impossible. If other countries have done it since the 40's we can do it. Just takes a government willing to defy the pharma donor class.
@Elmato, my coworkers cousin was in London with no health insurance and got an appendectomy with no wait time and an actual affordable bill.
Nice life saving medicine. Did the American free market medical industry make the investment to research and develop it so that your weak ass nation could socialize it?
Well of course they did. Who else would have?
And how does the government get their money?...
UncommonSense: No politics in the comments
Me: you can’t tell me what to do... Truuum
UncommonSense: don’t do it
UncommonSense: you bastard!!!!
@megamanx181x, I know, I’m sorry, just had to 😂 Happy Valentine day bro!
@seeUpee, you’re ruining my meme, and my day good sir. I shall ask you to stop only once more
@UncommonSense, Ahahah alright, I got it out of my system. Wasn’t my intent to ruin your day. Hope it got better! We all just having a laugh
@seeUpee, it’s hard to put sarcasm through messages, I was just messing with ya bud
So, the rest of the world is children and America is adults. Adults pay for their things, children need their parents to pay for their things.
@xir1111011, your right. The first option isn't over paying out of pocket, it's going bankrupt to pay for having the audacity to get sick or injured.
I do think the American healthcare situation is kinda sad.
My brother's only alive today because of the NHS (UK healthcare), there's no way my parents could have afforded his treatment.
It's all very well saying Americans are 'adults' who pay for their stuff, but the reality is not all people can afford surgery and I genuinely think the NHS is wonderful. I wish there was an American version for you guys!