You're just an asshole
Our ICU is full up and today was super busy with really sick people. Who knows when people will learn.
@KoolHandLuke, their sense of entitlement will always usurp their common sense, so probably not anytime soon
@KoolHandLuke, we have 2 regional hospitals at full capacity in TN in Jackson and Columbia. In Knoxville ours are getting close. It's getting more real to the people here but i fear it'll get brutally real when/if we have to use ethics boards to decide who won't get treatment.
@KoolHandLuke, when they die theyll learn. Embrace the misery guys and gals and Apache attack helicopters. Winters coming.
@KoolHandLuke, ok, I’m seriously not trying to start a shjtstorm by asking this, but if the masks were actually making a difference, why are we seeing spikes in cases and deaths again?
I mean, if virtually every business requires people to wear masks, and 3/4 of the states in the union have mask mandates, shouldn’t we see numbers maintain a steady rate?
I’m in Iowa, and you can’t go anywhere without seeing virtually every person inside of a building wearing a mask.
Again, I’m just trying to understand the other side of the coin. However, by nature of me asking, I’m gonna piss people off, but to them I say this: yo momma a ho.
@Chief Poundserhard, because the majority of people in some areas aren't wearing masks. Masks require a high percentage of mass usage (at least 85%, best effects at 95%) in common spaces to effectively stop asymptomatic spread (its really a game of chance wearing a mask so the more people do it the better the odds). I went to a grocery store in Kentucky the other day and like 1/4 people weren't wearing masks. And thats not to mention all the people now traveling and staying in homes or hotels and things which is just a trap for spread
@jouze, thx ferda dwnvote
I would reject the notion that the majority of people aren’t wearing them. Maybe here in rural Iowa in a town of 2,000 you could argue that, but you can’t say that about Los Angeles, NYC, Chicago, Milwaukee, etc.
Scientifically speaking, lower humidity levels and colder weather will cause the virus to spread. Since the air isn’t as “energetic”, virus particles move more quickly through the air. So that will have a more drastic effect on the overall transmissibility of the virus.
I’m just playing the devil’s advocate and asking a question that should be asked. Since we are told masks work, and, assuming that people are wearing them (either by will or by force), then we should be seeing numbers flatten out. However, this is not what we are seeing. We are instead seeing this spike in cases and deaths. In fact, it’s even worse than what it was this last spring prior to mask enforcement.
@Chief Poundserhard, they also:
1) Gather in large numbers
2) Go out when they're sick
3) Don't wash their hands for at least twenty seconds, if even at all
I also live in Iowa, and I swear I'm surrounded by people who are determined to prove it really does stand for Idiots Out Walking Around
@Chief Poundserhard, if you could blame anything from the spike you could most likely blame the election. Or the riots. Whichever political leaning you have.
@Suicide Squad Sucks, I'm sorry, reading your messages packed full with pejoratives, who are "they" and what "entitlement" do believe they don't have?
@That one lurker, the general public, and the entitlement refers to the whole "I'm an American, rules don't apply to ME!" mindset.
@Suicide Squad Sucks, well, with out that "entitlement" pot would be illegal, the black man would still be in chains, and our currency would have an old lady on it.
For America a different sides have different rules that we ignore. Where some push that the lockdowns are unconstitutional, others want to break those rules to say "f@ck the Constitution my pepa's not safe."
To me it's just where the command comes from, we as Americans have rules, if the rules makers break the rules then their rules need to be broken.
But that's personal.
@KoolHandLuke, yeah maybe we should lock down instead of letting hundreds of thousands of people gather in one place and scream sh!t for over 120 days straight. When will BLM learn.
@jouze, we have a mask mandate and we are still spiking. They may slow, but absolutely will not stop spread.
@KoolHandLuke, Welcome to humanity where nobody ever really seems to learn anything we just get better at killing each other
@KoolHandLuke, thank you for doing what you can and sorry people aren't listening to the experts.
@Chief Poundserhard, I'm in San Diego and I can attest that less people are wearing masks and doing proper social distancing than they claim they are.
@Suicide Squad Sucks, This has nothing to do with entitlement and more with science. There is no scientific evidence that shows lockdowns or masks help. You will be hard pressed to find ANY study saying that the most common mask (cloth) is effective outside of being washed in a medical grade washing machine which most people don't have access to. While masks help with people not spitting on each other, this virus is airborne and super small so it goes through most non N95 masks anyways. So the main issue is the government telling you that you have to wear a mask, it is unconstitutional. If a business wants to enforce masks then they have that right as they reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Considering how if masks were actually effective we would see a huge drop in infections but we don't, quite the opposite actually and the lockdowns only caused way more damage than they helped.
@jouze, show me a study that says masks work without being washed in a medical grade washing machine..I'll wait. You keep saying the more people that wear masks the better but I have yet to see you post sources to your information.
@Chief Poundserhard, i would just ignore Jouze on this situation, especially since they have yet to post any scientific sources that masks work outside of being washed in a medical grade washing machine, which obviously most people don't have access to. Masks don't make a significant enough difference to force people to wear them, at least not by the government as that is against the constitution.
@owanobi, as per Clase et al 2020 in the Annals of Internal Medicine scientific journal "Cloth does not stop isolated virions. However, most virus transmission occurs via larger particles in secretions, whether aerosol (5 µm), which are generated directly by speaking, eating, coughing, and sneezing; aerosols are also created when water evaporates from smaller droplets, which become aerosol-sized droplet nuclei. The point is not that some particles can penetrate but that some particles are stopped, particularly in the outward direction. Every virus-laden particle retained in a mask is not available to hang in the air as an aerosol or fall to a surface to be later picked up by touch." Nobody is saying they're 100% effective theyre just one of many necessary layers that are meant to reduce the chance of spread
@owanobi, and this argument that its unconstitutional is rightly idiotic, states have every right to enforce laws that are for public safety. Including Seat belt mandates, prohibition on drunk driving, and restrictions on smoking in public places
@owanobi, in case thats not enough sources for you as per Cheng et al 2020 in the Lancet medical journal " People often wear masks to protect themselves, but we suggest a stronger public health rationale is source control to protect others from respiratory droplets. This approach is important because of possible asymptomatic transmissions of SARS-CoV-2."
@CocoasBro, we have this magical thing called contact tracing, and studies have shown that gathering in outdoor spaces with masks while still not advisable is not as dangerous as gathering indoors and staying in one place for extended periods. The majority of super spreader events have been linked to churches, bars, clubs, and gyms
@fallingback09, nobody is trying to say they are %100 effective at stopping the spread. They are one of many layers of policies we need to enact to reduce the chance of spread but if cases are already spiking before you mandate them, which they were in many states, its not going to have much of a visible effect if any at all because you missed the opportunity to catch it in the crucial early stage
@owanobi, oh look at that heres another study Aydin et al August 2020, in "Performance of fabrics for home-made masks against the spread of COVID-19 through droplets: A quantitative mechanistic study"... "In particular, two layers of highly permeable fabric, such as T-shirt cloth, blocks droplets with an efficiency (94%) similar to that of medical masks, while being approximately twice as breathable. The first layer allows about 17% of the droplet volume to transmit, but it significantly reduces their velocity. This allows the second layer to trap the transmitted droplets resulting in high blocking efficacy. Overall, our study suggests that cloth face coverings, especially with multiple layers, may help reduce droplet transmission of respiratory infections"
@owanobi, oh and look at that a study which had called into question cloth masks in MEDICAL settings was even retracted because "have received requests in recent weeks to remove this article from the CIDRAP website. Reasons have included: wearing a cloth mask or face covering is better than doing nothing, (3) the article is being used by individuals and groups to support non-mask wearing where mandated and (4) there are now many modeling studies suggesting that cloth masks or face coverings could be effective at flattening the curve and preventing many cases of infection."
@owanobi, here's another study by Leung et al in 2020 from Hong Kong in "Mask wearing to complement social distancing and save
lives during COVID-19"... "Nevertheless, the ability of cloth masks to intercept about 70%
of infectious particles is a very meaningful benefit for any public health intervention, even
though this is inferior to the figure of 90% for surgical masks.
A clustered randomised trial comparing cloth masks and surgical masks in health care
workers is often cited as evidence against the use of cloth masks.9 However, that study was
conducted in a high-risk setting in Viet Nam to assess the effectiveness of cloth masks in
protecting healthcare workers from flu-like illnesses. It therefore addressed a very different
question from the role of mass wearing of masks for source control in the community during
the COVID-19 pandemic."
@jouze, 0 links to these studies and you disproved yourself immediately with the first one by saying it doesn't stop the virus completely.
I am not just going to believe you without the links since they sound like nyt articles rather than actual studies. I recall a NYT article saying that masks don't really help but you should still wear one for some reason citing a study. Here is the link for you since I post my sources: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/health/coronavirus-masks-denmark.html
@owanobi, you moron go to Google scholar and type in the authors and titles and these studies will come up. These are mechanistic studies with linked methodology and data. Nobody is saying they are stopping isolated virons thats not the point they are stopping the particles which carry the virons which is one of the main ways of community spread because it can be picked up later in sealed environments. links don't work on funny pics since you can't copy comments so I provided you with the authors and titles so you could easily find them on Google scholar but instead of trying to look for them you immediately deny them. take a look at the studies or just do a search on Google scholar or pubmed for quality journal articles instead of nyt articles
@owanobi, also if you were at all involved in scientific literature you would know that a perfectly reasonable way to cite articles in peer reviewed journals is to list the authors, date, and title or doi which is what I did so you could easily find the articles. But clearly you don't understand how actual scientific literature works while claiming to say the science on it is out yet you refuse to look at these scientific journal articles I provided to you with mechanistic study evidence to show that masks will stop some droplets which carry virus which will reduce the chance of community transmission.
@jouze, you really think a handful of people drinking in a bar 6 ft apart without a mask are causing more of a spread than quite literally 9 months of non-stop protests shoulder to shoulder tantruming at the top of their lungs hundreds sometimes thousands deep?
Oh and no any clip of these protestors lets you know they are not social distancing and a good chunk dont wear masks at all and those who do tend to wear them improperly.
@CocoasBro, im not saying the protests are safe, they're not and I decried the people that went out and crowded after Joe Biden was declared winner by the AP, but yes people crowding in bars and clubs is more dangerous. You and I both know more than a handful of people go to bars in most places with high spread. And in a closed environment where air is recirculated there is no outlet for viral particles to leave so they continue to accumulate and people stay in these places for a long time increasing the chance for them to inhale infectious particles in the area instead of when they're outside they are constantly moving and air flow causes rapid diffusion and reduction in the concentration of viral particles in an area
@owanobi, he does realize that masks may catch the particulates but they dont kill particulates. If someone who has the vid coughs and your masks blocks it. ( somehow if the particulates dont get in your eye)
Then if you touch or adjust the mask its on your hands and anything you touch afterwards i.e eyes, nose, or mouth can infect you.
@CocoasBro, how many times do people have to say this. The masks are not to prevent people from catching the virus, its to prevent people who currently have the virus from expelling virus into the surrounding community. If you catch viral particles at the source it reduces the amount circulating in the air in an area meaning there's less of a chance for people in the area later to inhale the virus
@jouze, so you actrually believe that thousands of people within inches of each other for litterally months on end screaming at the top of their lungs many of which dont have masks will spread less than a handful of people at a bar.... unbelievable.
Question does it not cross your mind that these protests should be shut down if everything else is being shut down for the covid? How do you possibly justify it inside your own head?
P.s particle diffusion doesnt mean sh!t when your 2 1/2 inches from someones face screaming for 9 hours with no mask.
@jouze, first of all i know that masks only slow it down and dont make you immune to the virus. Youre the one seemingly arguing that
2. I have met waaaaay to many people who think the masks make you immune for you to say no one says that they make you immune.
@Chief Poundserhard, The problem is that masks mandates or not, some people simply refuse to wear them or take this as seriously as they should. Case in point, Thanksgiving. Even though the CDC & numerous infectious disease doctors have advised against traveling/gathering for it, airports were still crowded, etc. My own family is split on this, my mom, who was an ER nurse, decided to forgo a single day of visiting in person to avoid the possibility of transmission. My brother on the other hand, decided to take his family over to his wife's family. Despite all the evidence, facts and data to the contrary, some people refuse to acknowledge the seriousness of the situation. Another case in point, despite having a positivity rate of over 60% at one point, South Dakota still refuses to have a mask mandate. People are just stupid and do things that go against their own self interest. That applies to life in general, not just the pandemic.
@Funny Pics Janitor, most people aren't scared of a virus with a 99.9% survival rate for people under 70 and a 97% for people over 70. Just based on CDC statistics this year there has not been an increase in total deaths this year over 2018 in US. If covid was so deadly wouldn't we see a huge spike in death over 2018?
@CocoasBro, stop saying "a handful of people" like thats the only case. Its a strawman and doesn't accurately portray what happens in a lot of bars on crowded weekends. And I currently accept that protests have not caused a spike in cases because there's data and analysis to support it. Including in this study titled "BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTS, SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND COVID-19" by the national bureau of economic research (Dhaval et al June 2020, https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408). "As
shown in column (2), we find an increase in the percent of county residents staying at home full-
time following protest onset, with the effect getting progressively stronger and statistically
significant after the third day. Within 4 to 7 days, there is about a 0.70 percentage point daily
increase (2.0 percent increase relative to the mean) in residents remaining at home all day." They found non-protesters stayed at home overriding protestor amounts
@jouze, I understand the format of scientific journals as I have seen tons of them, it is just internet courtesy to link sources but enough, I will look into them.
@CocoasBro, to continue when they analyzed the case growth a month after protests comparing cities with protests and those without they found and I quote "Panel (d) in Figure 2 presents the event study analysis for daily growth in confirmed
cases. Trends between the treated and non-treated counties are virtually identical prior to the
protests. This is reassuring and suggests that the timing of the protests is not correlated with
trends in COVID-19 case growth or unobservable determinants of case growth. We find no
significant divergence in the trends after the protests. While there is some suggestive decrease in
the daily growth rates in cases after 35 or more days subsequent to the start of the protests, the
estimates are statistically insignificant and also fairly small in magnitude."
@CocoasBro, "Estimates in Table 3, based on equations (2) and (3b), confirm these findings. In no case
do we find any significant or substantial increase in the growth in COVID-19 caseload (Panel I).
Our point estimates are close to zero and our confidence intervals are tight enough to rule out,
with 95 percent confidence, an increase in daily case growth exceeding 0.28 percent in a county
after five weeks following the onset of protests.
These results are robust to widening the geographic unit of analysis to include primary
and secondary counties (Panel II) and border counties (Appendix Table 5); hence, accounting for
potential spillovers over a larger spatial unit as protesters travel back home does not alter our
results. Our estimates are also robust to controlling for county-specific linear trends (Appendix
Table 6A)". Very few people in the protests were 2.5" from someone else's face, that would literally require them to be in kissing distance.
@jouze, You're wasting your time. These people will not listen to you because they haven't taken the time to actually consider what you have presented before them has any merit. Psychologically, it's known as "confirmation bias", the tendency people have to embrace information that supports their beliefs and reject information that contradicts them. Why aren't they listening to facts and data? Because their subconscious directs them to do otherwise. It takes a conscious decision to take the time and effort to overcome this bias and truly see or listen to something that doesn't fit their narrative. This applies to all people, just not them. However, some people have made a conscious decision to not even consider they might be wrong even with a mountain of evidence and information that is staring them right in the face.
Spend your time talking with people you actually know and care about in your life than beating your head against the wall interacting with complete strangers.
@KoolHandLuke, when all the stupid people are dead
@KoolHandLuke, our ICU beds for covid are full, they've been full since may, when will people Wake up and learn we only have 8 covid beds.
@jouze, as long as the studies say so. I guess its okay to trample on everyone elses right. Right?
I dont believe it theres no way you can tell me 10,000 people gathering 2 inches from one another breathing down each others neck without a mask and not social distancing doesnt cause a spike.
@CocoasBro, lmao, the fact that you say "i don't believe" tells me all I need to know. If you actually cared about scientific fact you wouldn't believe in anything because a belief refuses to change in light of contradictory evidence. And you keep saying these numbers without any way to support them, they are not 2 inches from eachothers face. And if you would just take a look at a study you would see that in reality it appears it hasn't caused a spike by any meaningful measure. Most likely due to the fact they're not actually 2 inches from eachother and covid transmission is much less likely in outdoors environments with air circulation and sunlight to inactivate the virus
@CocoasBro, and individual rights end where community rights begins, this is not unconstitutional and has been proven many times before in the case of seatbelts, prohibition on drunk driving or smoking in public places, and many other general safety measures. This is supposed to only be temporary and if people would cooperate for just a couple months we could have a much better control on spread and could relax the measures but instead children like you whine and refuse to believe scientific evidence and don't cooperate and we have the spikes were currently seeing in all rural states like south Dakota despite not having many dense urban centers with protests
@Funny Pics Janitor, I know its most likely a futile attempt, but arguing them does help me sharpen my points and get a clearer grasp on the evidence and forces me to be a bit more diligent in vetting sources so if anything its just helpful training for me I guess
@jouze, there is no such thing as community rights. They do not trump an individuals constitutional rights. Your way of thinking is dangerous and its what gets people put into concentration camps. The collective never supercedes the individual ever.
Im gonna keep looking at the data but everything i understand about the virus makes me think the study is bullsh!t. I dont understand how thousands of people can gather in 1 place without a mask and not spike the disease. Its just non-sensical.
Searching through im even finding studies saying that its been helping reduce the disease. I smell bullsh!t. Ill be back after fine tooth combing the data.
@jouze, Finally, I'll bring up one other example. People claim that the spike in cases and positivity rates are because of the protests. Sure, the possibility to transmission has skyrocketed with so many people congregated together. That's just science.
Here's where the "confirmation bias" comes into play. They fail to mention the "protests" or rallies as they tend to call them were in the same category. Furthermore, they ignore the fact that at these rallies, mask wearing was virtually non-existent whereas in the "protests" mask wearing was prevalent. Then the issue of masks come into play. Despite scientific evidence and even common sense they claim that wearing masks doesn't work. Common sense tells us to cover our mouth and nose when we sneeze but wearing a covering over the same area doesn't accomplish the same thing? Confirmation Bias.
Another reason, and this is more insidious, they have been repeatedly given information that fits into their narrative.
@jouze, This exponentially reinforces said bias, making conscious decisions much more difficult.
Until people are going to make the actual effort to overcome this bias, you might as well be speaking another language. It simply will not get through.
@jouze, I dont know maybe your right and gathering in a group of 10,000 and breathing on each other doesnt cause diseases to spread. Maybe i have to relook and relearn my fundamental understanding of how a disease spreads.
Or maybe the media and big tech just purged any counter information they dont like about covid for political reasons. Who knows.
@CocoasBro, I think the study i linked explains the probable cause pretty well. They show that the majority of people in a city don't usually participate in a protest, its just a small fraction that does, while those who aren't participating would be discouraged from going outside so its overall effect actually increases social distancing because the proportion who stay inside afraid of the protests is larger. So maybe if you looked closely at the people who participated in protests you would see a spike among them but in those who didn't thered be a drop. And theres a big difference in spread chance in environments that are outside/mobile vs inside/immobile
@CocoasBro, if the protests were taking place in like a convention center or some indoor place like that id say we should do everything we can to stop them/find some way to spread them out because that would be a recipe for disaster. But from what I've seen while not everyone at the protests were distancing/wearing a mask a large portion were and because they were outside and discouraged others from going places they didn't have a significant impact on community spread
@jouze, My understanding is large close quaters groups= large spread. But maybe im wrong i wont be able to read the study for a few days because my work scheduele has me working alot of 16 hours a day but ill try to get around to it. Send me another message as a place holder.
@CocoasBro, The idea of dissenting opinion being purged is not just an idea.
Question the COVID numbers on Twitter and see how fast you are banned or "corrected" by Twitter itself.
To the media and big tech "misinformation" = "information that goes against the story we are trying to tell"
@Dangerous Dan Spivey, Anyone under the age of 13 and Anyone over the age of 65. Everyone else? Fvck em.
@CocoasBro, I mean you're right in that understanding, its just that being outside and being mobile both reduce the chance for infection greatly, and it seems there was a greater effect by the number of people discouraged from going outside to avoid the protests
Saw a lady in the store today with her mask around her chin and she starts coughing into her hands.... then she smiles at me. I just walked away but man I wanted to shout, “the fvck are you smiling at Covid incarnate?!?” People are so stupid, man.... it hurts.
@Earth Chan, Damn son, you good? Take a chill pill... weed smoke weed.
@Earth Chan, so she had a chin diaper... big deal! Go to Home Depot at 8am and then come talk to me about it
@Earth Chan, sadly that human cannot be educated. Or we just dont have the means or ways or know how to educate them. So one should put it out of its misery
@Earth Chan, my favorite is when they come to the counter and then decide to pull down their mask to talk to me.
Want things to get back to normal? Wear your fvcking mask and don't host a huge fvcking party.
@Sexy Homunculus, but how should I celebrate being covid free if I can’t throw a huge party?!?
@Sexy Homunculus, nah, I'll just go back to normal whether tyrants like it or not
@Sexy Homunculus, haven't you heard the news, this is the new normal. They want you in a state of compliance. This whole lockdown and mask mandate has been a huge money transfer for the ultra wealthy and a test to see how much people will accept their rights being taken away before they revolt. Based on this comment section and the rest of the US..quite a fvcking lot.
@owanobi, guess the whole world is being controlled by this cabal youre talking about but decided to change their minds when they started going back to normal lives
@Dexios S Divine, It's not really a cabal dude, just look at who benefited most from the lockdowns making billions..Amazon, Walmart, Target, all muli-billion dollar companies. Who suffered, small businesses. Thousands of small businesses were destroyed because of the lockdowns for not being essential while amazon and walmart were able to stay open and deliver since they had the capital to do so. Not a cabal but were are going in for another round of lockdowns I guess, completely against science.
@owanobi, against what science? We’re one of the few countries that didn’t listen to what the medically intelligent have been saying, none of this would have been dragged out if we listened from the start
@Dexios S Divine, oh I don't know, maybe the multiple WHO officials who say the lockdowns don't work and only cause economic strife. More people will die from alcoholism, depression, and drug addiction than from this virus. Mask mandates are one thing but forcing people to stay home and not make a living for a virus that is no more deadly than the flu for a grand majority of people is stupid and seems borderline on purpose. Not to mention if you look up the Great Reset from the World Economic Forum, it talks about a huge reset of the worlds economy and the push of new communistic ideals while covid has shut everything down. This is not a "Qanon conspiracy" it is real and I have read tons about it.
@owanobi, yikes dude. Lock downs worked in places that did them correctly. The flu is nothing compared to covid, also the fact we know barely anything about it. You’ve obviously only been reading up on things that confirm your bias, the rest of the countries that did it right have moved on from covid
@Dexios S Divine, which countries did covid lockdowns so well that they are no longer dealing with it exactly? Sweden is doing pretty good and they didn't lockdown at all. All of the places that enforced authoritarian lockdowns are still dealing with it. Including the US, which is going to lockdown again soon. Tell me one country that isn't worrying about covid right now that used lockdowns, besides china because they don't count.
@owanobi, new zealand, south korra, japan, sweden like you said, just google which countries are doing better right now not hard to find
@Dexios S Divine, I have, all are dealing with spikes right now, also Sweden didn't do any lockdowns so that breaks your narrative right there. New zealand is having a second outbreak after being 100 days free so obviously the lockdown didn't even matter. IIRC south korea only had like 20k cases anyways and they did a total lockdown. That didn't matter and now they are locking down again because of reported cases as of september. Japan and south korea are seeing a huge surge in suicides because of the lockdowns and stress of the virus based on a washington post article posted today: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/japan-suicides-pandemic-women/2020/11/28/0617e3a2-fdbd-11ea-b0e4-350e4e60cc91_story.html
So yea, everyone is doing just fine obviously. Lockdowns totally worked and had no impact on anyone.
@owanobi, lock downs dont fix the fücken problem dude, it. Slows. It. Down. Sweden is an outlier. Of course theres another spike theres no vaccine, its just now being made. Hopefully by next year it will start to get distributed after probably another spike. Those countries death counts are not as high as the rest of the countries that didn’t do proper lock downs. Stop feeding your bias. Those countries aren’t struggling like we are with this because of how political we are over not fücken dying
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All this bullshït reminds me of the HIV panic of the 1980s
@Hot Coffee, You mean cuz a whole bunch of people are dying from a disease we don’t know how to treat or because the corporate media and politicians are all trying to benefit from the suffering of others?
@A Deformed Penis, yes
@Hot Coffee, are you comparing condoms and face masks?😂
@DaSchlappah, yes. Yes I am.
@Hot Coffee, well done, thank you for making the 80s comparable to 2020!😂🙏🏻
Yup its the odd dude who doesnt wanna wear a mask, and totally not the none stop protests in the hundreds of thousands that causing the curve not to bend.
If masks worked then the heavily policed mask areas would never have hotspots, and yet... seems like the correlation is somehow missing
@Arizonadawson, its almost as if people only follow one rule half way and say dumb sh!t like you just did
@Arizonadawson, nobody is saying masks are %100 effective you ingrate. They are one of many necessary layers of policies that need to be enacted to REDUCE THE CHANCE, if people only half follow these measures they lose their effectiveness but if you look at countries with mass cooperation to these policies they are quite effective like in Japan and South Korea
With a 99% survival rate that's why people don't want to wear 🖕masks.
@NickD4208, what's the survival rate for people without medical treatment?
@BrenadryI, same if they don't have a pre existing fatal condition.
You wearing a mask isn't just for your own protection. If you have Covid you will be far more contagious if you don't wear the masks, even if all the people around you are wearing masks because masks are not 100% effective. So maybe consider that its not just about you and that you put the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions at a much greater risk when you decide not to wear a mask.
@NickD4208, the death rate starts at 5% and increases with each age range. You also ignorantly ignore those surviving but having serious permanent cognitive/brain, heart, lung, and organ damage from this virus.
@PottedPlant, I still wear one even though it's not effective.
@Desiderata, that's not cdc data. mortality is at . 0099 % for most people the elderly and those prexeisting conditions . 095% as per cdc data.
@NickD4208, Surviving or not surviving isn’t the only measure of what can happen if you get the virus. Many people have long lasting respiratory problems or heart irregularities just from getting it...
Masks are the problem, you shop, touch crap 100 people touched,adjust mask... Push cart,, adjust mask.. repeat.. please lie and say you sanitize scrub your hands before each move...
Kindergarten Cop was a great movie
It takes more courage not to wear one, period.
@DarthPlaugeistheWise, it takes a lot of courage to shjt all over everyone and be a c0ckhole with little regard for others. If thats the standard you hold to "courage", then sure.
@Doctor Walrus, Personally I don't give a single fvck if you or your family dies. Why should I? This is a competition and we all gotta go sometime. Deal with it. I already had rona so good luck. I hope more of the foolish and weak like yourself are culled. Death to the boomers
@DarthPlaugeistheWise, glad to finally understand where antimaskers are coming from. Fvck everybody to death but me :)
Idgaf either way. Let everyone get it and weed out the weak. Fück everyone.
Another example of one that would be the opposite.
I don’t think of myself as a rebellious fighter but I do have to say, it saddens me that I never knew how many pussies there are in this world.
I may have lost my job and all my friends, but I will die before any nanny state government can make me wear a mask! Rise up and resist! Live free or die!
Funny how fast we go from “my body my choice” to “you literally have no choice over wearing this, shut up!”
love when people politicize science
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