I feel like "it's ok to hit women like we hit men because equality" isn't really a good ideal. We should never advocate for violence in any way at all, so the better thing to say is "don't hit women but don't hit men either". Don't hit women, don't hit men, don't hit anybody really. However if it's a situation like "woman is attacking me" or "woman is committing crime against me/family" then it becomes a gender-irrelevant self defence action, naturally.
@YUNoJump, I wish I could punch someone without fearing jail time
@YUNoJump, clearly you've never been married
@Cjko27, I wish I could punch this guy... Sounds like he needs it. Everyone needs to be hit from time to time.
@YUNoJump, I agree whole heartedly. Someone attacks you with malicious intent, you defend yourself, regardless of gender.
@AGreasedMonkey, ya not saying this woman was in the right, cause i wouldn't be surprised if she was throwing bottles (no evidence that she was using explosives). But this guy is a convicted felon, self-proclaimed white nationalist, and founder of Identity Evropa. I think it's safe to say this guy is a POS and we probably shouldn't be so quick to assume he was in the right either.
@Blue Shirted Guy, not saying "in the right", but even a holes are allowed to protect themselves from being attacked with a bottle, which I believe is what happened here. As much as I dislike the guy, even white nationalists have the right to self defense.
@Oujosh29, I agree, but we simply don't know what happened. I'm just saying that with this guy's track record he shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt. She shouldn't either, because she was holding a glass bottle. I see what you're saying, but respectfully I think it is irresponsible to just assume she was attacking him with a bottle. If she was though, I have no problem with him defending himself
@Blue Shirted Guy, I have no idea what's going on in the picture. I was talking about punching YUNoJump. Violence has its appropriate time & place.
@AGreasedMonkey, oh, why in the world do you want to punch YunoJump based off that comment?? I'd say the appropriate place and time for violence is what YunoJump described
@Blue Shirted Guy, He talks too much...
@AGreasedMonkey, uh huh... *steps back* *steps back* *sprints away*
@Blue Shirted Guy, *starts chasing. Come back buddy, I just want to talk.
@YUNoJump, thank you for being a nice, well adjusted human being.
@Blue Shirted Guy, There are pictures of her holding bottles with fire crackers in it. There are also nude pictures of her out there. All of her own accord though, none of that hacked my icloud stuff
@jasohazard, can you link me to those pictures? (The fire crackers not nudes lol) I'm just very concerned that my fellow community is so quick to say this guy was in the right, cause all I'm saying is to not assume since we don't know.
@Blue Shirted Guy,
Here's one: http://memes2.fjcdn.com/pictures/Moldylocks_6f7ce0_6240745.jpg
Here's another angle of the punch where you can actually see a bottle in her hand: http://memestatic.fjcdn.com/pictures/Moldylocks_d383fd_6240745.jpg
You could argue she was just holding a bottle but Antifa was throwing those homemade fragmentation grenades all day.
@jasohazard, yes, Antifa was doing this but there is no evidence of the individual woman holding bottles with fire crackers. You linked me to pictures of her holding empty bottles and there is also no evidence she was throwing homemade frags. My point is that it is important to seek the truth and come up with a rational explanation. From the evidence, we know she had large empty bottles. That's enough to claim she either threw them or was going to. However, we do not know if she threw them at this guy, but there is also enough doubt to claim that he was unprovoked. So I'm saying that *until more evidence* emerges we shouldn't make assumptions and defend either side, which is being done by her defenders *and* by your side.
@Blue Shirted Guy, If people have been throwing exploding bottles at me all day and somebody is holding a bottle running at me then that seems reason enough to defend. It was a riot out there no one side is right but I do know Antifa has been using deadly weapons like this which really could have used some police intervention.
@jasohazard, see again you are trying to add pieces to the story to make the woman look more in the wrong and I don't understand why. There is no evidence she was running at him, she wasn't in the video clips. We don't know she was using deadly weapons. There is evidence that she was holding empty bottles, which is significant but there is nothing more than that as of now. No evidence she used explosives, and evidence she was throwing bottles (she was holding them) but no hard proof. You say no side is right but your arguments have obviously been one-sided. I agree that it needed more police intervention.
@Blue Shirted Guy, You do know Antifa is the organization right? Antifa the organization has been known to use these explosive bottles. This girl was in a video, it's where this still image was taken from and she was running at the guy and the guy was running at her. There was also her tweet about how she was about to scalp some nazis or whatever. She definitely had some bad intentions.
@jasohazard, yes, I was in the car and my responses make it unclear. I'm editing them. The girl was not running at him in the video I saw, I'm not sure which video you watched. Again I'm not saying she was in the right but you are obviously taking a side in a situation with very little evidence to support either side. (The 2 sides being the 2 individuals) (edit: for example you claimed the girl was using bottles with firecrackers, why did you claim this?)
@Blue Shirted Guy, I didn't claim. I'm saying the the group uses them and that she was pictured with a bottle twice, of course there wouldn't be a firecracker in there unless she was about to throw it. I do have to side with the other guys though. They were there at an organized event and antifa showed up to attack them. Pretty ironic that they call themselves antifascism when they act pretty fascist themselves.
@jasohazard, you said there are pictures of her holding bottles with firecrackers in them didn't you? You also said she was running at him. Why did u say both these things? I am in no way defending Antifa nor this woman. I am showing 2 things. The first is that there isn't enough evidence to side with either individual. The second is that it is irresponsible to add facts because then there can't be a reasonable discussion.
@Blue Shirted Guy, Does the white nationalist not deserve what ever comes to him just by virtue of being a white nationalist? Even if he did get hit with a bottle, does that not just balance the scales?
@KeKesUHaulFacility , I'm honestly surprised my comment above got downvoted 6 times, I'm not quite sure what i said there that people disagreed with. I'd answer no to your question but him being a white nationalist makes me more surprised that people here are flocking to his side, because I bet that if he was an actual skinhead or real horrible person that people wouldn't be on his side, even though it'd be opposed to their argument
@Blue Shirted Guy, Not sure if my other comment got through but I couldn't post the site for some reason. Pretty much I agree we can't be sure that she was throwing explosives but she did show malicious intent in her tweet. The second part was that she jumped in the middle and turned to grab the guy buy the collar when she got punched. I'm sure you can find the tweet and video if you just look it up.
@Blue Shirted Guy, Honestly, even if he was a skinhead or an overtly violent supremacist it seems that these days you could just put him in a matching suit set from J. Crew for teens and everyone would just be quite alright with that.
@jasohazard, I saw the tweet, which is why I am 100% in no way defending her. I saw the video though and I didnt see her turning to grab the guy. In the one I saw she was running behind and to the left of the mob and he ran over from the right and punched her. You said though that she had firecrackers in a bottle and that there were pictures. Are you saying that's false? You don't think that it's an issue that people are trying to actively go out of their way to make this guy seem more in the right?
@Blue Shirted Guy, Realized 2 seconds after I sent the comment that he IS an overtly violent supremacist as exhibited right the fvck there.
@Blue Shirted Guy, No there aren't pictures of her with the explosive in the bottle, I was inferring that her having the bottle, antifa's history with the explosive bottles, and her intent says that she may have been part of that too. Either way she had a bottle when she got punched so that would explain why it happened. In the picture that we are commenting on you can see she has her hands on his collar
@YUNoJump, Seriously, if you hear "equal rights" and your first thought is hitting people unprovoked, you've issues.
@KeKesUHaulFacility , haha, actually. You know it's a problem when people feel the need to add falsehoods to defend a white nationalist and convicted felon, and then still defend him when those falsehoods are exposed. Bet if it was Amy Schumer throwing the punch everyone here would fall in love with the Antifa woman haha (edit: ya he's an extremely violent person and people just assume he had to be provoked, it's unreal)
@jasohazard, That's my point. You can't infer in this situation and just pick a side. Especially when violence is involved. Also she has her hands on his collar after he ran at her and punched her didn't she?
@Blue Shirted Guy, The real gag is, she couldn't have been more than 120lbs soaking wet so they gotta stick the armed-and-dangerous label on here to clear their consciences about being on the Nazis side. Just don't defend the Nazi in the first place, free your mind and the rest will follow.
@Blue Shirted Guy, I'm sure at sone point Antifa will be considered a domestic terrorist group, at that point just being a part of them puts all their actions on you as well. Also the pinch and grab was at the same time.
@KeKesUHaulFacility , exactly. Anybody ever stop to ask why the leader of an organization is even out among the other side's protesters?
@jasohazard, Now you've completely changed your argument. By your logic then that guy should be held accountable for every act his organization is responsible for. Have you looked him and his organization up? (Edit: you are also now saying she deserved to be punched simply because of her affiliation with her organization?)
@Blue Shirted Guy, It's not that they should, it's that when they are labeled as domestic terrorists by the United States government, every member will have to answer for the crimes of the group. I'm saying that because of the group's actions, she was subject to judgement based on those actions because she was with them. She had a bottle and jumped into the fight that was breaking out. Either way that was her decision, she knew what she was getting into.
@jasohazard, so you're judging her for being by the fight but not the guy who was also there? Do you not see your bias? You've changed your argument about 3 or 4 times now.
@Blue Shirted Guy, He was there for the rally, she was there to fight them. I haven't changed my argument, I've tried to change the point of view to help supplement my point so you can understand better but you are twisting it as changing my argument, which is why I never liked debaters. They can be 100% proven wrong but still twist words to make their point seem valid. I see what you mean but the point is she was there to fight, he was there to rally for free speech.
@jasohazard, if he's there for the rally and not to fight why is he over by the brawl?
@Blue Shirted Guy, Because his rights are being attacked and the police won't do anything about it. It's not the first time residents of Berkley have decided to shut down events in the guise of free speech and might not be the last.
@jasohazard, edit: are you saying he's in the right to be over by the brawl because he feels his rights are being violated?
@Blue Shirted Guy, What is not to get about that. Antifa attacks the group and he joins the defense against them. When the police won't help then you have to do it yourself.
@jasohazard, I'm just making sure I understand your point. So you're saying that Antifa initiated the fight and so Damigo felt that he needed to use violence as well to stand up for his rally? Do you not see that this leads to a possible scenario where Damigo ran over to the brawl and punched a woman he saw holding a bottle? It's possible he was provoked by the woman, possible he wasn't. That's my point, can't choose a side between *the individuals* because we don't know what happened
@Blue Shirted Guy, Sure we don't know exactly what happened, but we do know she was there to fight and the whole group showed up to shut down the rally, he along with every one else was defending themselves against antifa.
@jasohazard, exactly so you're saying we don't know what happened between the individuals but that it is ok to take sides between them based on their organizations. Also, earlier you said that she was charging at him with a bottle.
@Blue Shirted Guy, I remembered wrong she didn't really run, she did jump into the middle, turned and grabbed the guy who came up to her and got punched at the same time.
@jasohazard, if she was being punched at the same time then that implies he was already charging at her to punch her. The only way that is provoked *by her* is if she was throwing a bottle at someone, which we don't know if she was. So how can you take sides?
@Blue Shirted Guy, Because of the implications.
@jasohazard, -1 for the dismissal of my point, +1 for the It's Always Sunny reference
@Blue Shirted Guy, Good show. I guess I know too much about antifa to feel serious empathy for them.
@jasohazard, I'm in no way feeling empathy for the organization, but i think facts are important before judgment and forming opinions
@YUNoJump, my boo
That's just mea... 75 G?! Holy shjt!
*Puts on boxing gloves and heads to nearest women's shelter*
@Colombian Sugar, shjt id do it for 1g lol
@ginger fvckboy, we were going it for Xbox points? *glances at bloody fists* uh oh
This chick wanted a fight; tried using bottles and M80s to hurt ppl and lost. She's now scammed supporters on gofundme.... Equality is about being totally equal; not choosing what suits you
I am an advocate for true gender equality. If someone is raring up for a fight against me, boy or girl, I'll do what I can to avoid conflict. But continue insisting for a fight, and I will not hold back.
For those who don't know, this chick was with AntiFa assaulting people at a rally in California recently. She stated her intent to assault people the day before on social media.
After the police received stand down orders from their chief of police, who is a member of the extremist group By Any Means Necessary (BAMN), AntiFa proceeded to throw fireworks, rocks, and masonry and single out and beat people on the ground. Eventually they set off a smoke bomb that was blown back towards them by the wind and a large number of rally-goers chased off the AntiFa through the streets.
The girl in question was hit while engaging in the brawl and is e-begging for $40,000 for medical bills despite appearing perfectly uninjured the next day on video.
Oh, and she was also once a porn star apparently.
which one of the two posted a picture stating they wpuld collect 100 nazi scalps on their way to an event for freedom of speech?
Equal Rights, Equal Fights.
Did we just all agree it's ok to hit woman now?
@bruhkkk, act like a guy; be treated like a guy!
Dude I would sock a woman right in the face for 75 gamerscore
I mean like...kinda?
Just so everyone knows, the man in the picture is a white supremacist. So he's kind of a piece of shjt.
@Casigly Chonzo, the girl who set out to assault peaceful rally-goers for her communist ideology is the shįttier person.
Also, I'm fairly certain he is only known to be an ethnonationalist, which does not necessarily mean supremacism.
@Doctor Krieger, he belongs to a white nationalist group which basically means he's a neo-nazi.
@Casigly Chonzo, that's not true at all, though. Not all nationalism is ethnonationalism and not all ethnonationalism is national socialism.
@Doctor Krieger, I'm pretty sure if you're going to an ethnonationalist rally, it's not exactly peaceful anymore.
@Jdrawer, it was a free speech rally with mostly classical liberals, libertarians, and AnCaps present.
It was not an ethnonationalist rally, nor did it even have anything to do with racial identitarianism.
There were simply a small handful of ethnonationalists and even open fascists there ostensibly to support free speech, although more likely there to troll AntiFa.
Also, ethnonationalists aren't inherently violent. Most would rather just talk non-stop until you leave the room than initiate force.
@Doctor Krieger, Thanks for the clarification. Though I would like to raise the distinction that violence need not be "forceful." PBSIdeaChannel and PhilosophyTube have done good videos on violence.
@Jdrawer, violence is the use of physical force towards a person or property.
It absolutely need be forceful by its very definition.
@Doctor Krieger, Except that's not it's definition.
@Jdrawer, "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something." That's according to Google, which in turn got the definition from Oxford.
There are several definitions from other dictionaries that all have the same meaning as this. Not a single one says that words or ideas constitute violence, only physical force.
@Doctor Krieger, you are a godsend.
PS. I don't really agree with having a political debate on a meme app but good job keeping it civil.
This is an alt-right meme that I refuse to support
@Dex the Lumberjack, well i fully support it and the beating she got after she went to that protest with the intention to start problems.
@GunLovingMerican, dude did sucker punch her though
@GunLovingMerican, and assault ppl using bottles and M80s
@HSA, didn't she attack him with a bottle first?
@Poondog, there's no evidence she used M80s and watching the video she wasn't attacking him with a bottle, so we are unsure if that happened. Why are you so quick to assume that he was in the right when we don't know what happened? (Edit: @Oujosh29, is there any evidence? I'm legitimately wondering cause I can't find any)
@Dex the Lumberjack, Shouldn't you refuse to support most alt-right memes?
@Blue Shirted Guy, the photos of her with a bottle a literally everywhere. I admit I have seen no photo evidence of the M80's, but both sides have reported the same fact. There was a blog on Reddit and FB of an ex-ANTIFA guy who left because he witnessed this.... he was there to protest, not kill ppl
@Poondog, I know she had a bottle, but she was not attacking him with it in the video. I'm not defending either individual and in fact think Antifa was more in the wrong organization-wise. However, a leader of an organization holding a peaceful rally should not be in the brawl. My point is that there is not enough evidence to say either *individual* was in the right, especially with violence involved.
@Blue Shirted Guy, ANTIFA jumped a rally with weapons and projectiles whilst covering up..... its cowardly and shows that they try and shut down any speech they don't agree with! That's Fascism !!!
@HSA, there was a brawl already going on and she jumped in with her fists up, she shouldve known thats what happens when you do those exact things.
Kazuma is that you.
@Blue Shirted Guy, Oh I guess I did put that there. She was pictured with bottles and given her ill intent it was something I would say is not too crazy to think, but yeah you're right we haven't seen her commit the act. And second in the video I saw they both ran at each other, she jumped in the middle of it all saw him went for his shirt collar and obviously the guy went for the punch. Here's a site that has the video and her twitter thing if you haven't seen it. I haven't read what the author of this articleby said, I can only assume its not antifa friendly, but the videos and tweet is there