All children are kind of forced to do anything and everything if you think about it. Unless your child forces you to buy them specific things.
They had us in the first 4/5ths. I'm not gonna lie
@jasontype40, how about you just never lie instead of announcing when you won't.
You can be gay but don't were crocs.
How about we dont bring kids to political events to use them as pawns in political machinations beyond theyre comprehension. How about we dont impose our political beliefs on our children, and let kids be kids.
@BlazingBowman, 90% of parents impose their political beliefs on their children. you let a kid fire your gun and you’re imposing your political beliefs on them. political beliefs are part of the framework of who you are and cant be compartmentalized like that. you just dont like this because it isnt in line with YOUR political beliefs
@Hoban Washburne, hey what part of what you just said makes it right?
@Hoban Washburne, oh and sorry im a left wing libertarian. I believe in gay marraige and gay rights. But hey thanks for assuming im only saying this because of political bias. Really shows what kind of person you are. That and the fact you downvoted me after trying to debate me.
@BlazingBowman, i downvoted you before i tried debating you. because i read what you said and i didnt like it. you essentially just made this a self-imposed ad-hominem, you just spoke to yourself and not to my argument, so your conception of what is constituted by a ‘debate’ is a crock of shjt
@Hoban Washburne, what part of what i said was adhomin. You litterally accused me of being biased without any kind of evidence and i was adhomin attacking you? Also how did i not address your argument. I litterally addressed your argument with a counter argument "and what part of what you just said makes it right?" Explain to me howi didnt address your argument.
@Hoban Washburne, the gay pride parade is filled with disgusting people who do sexual things in the streets. I’ve been to them. It’s not a place for children by any means.
In what aspect is it unacceptable?
You should be mad. Because of the rainbows and abhorrent display of humanity, just to be clear.
Well being lgbt is just as much a belief as religions. You shouldn't force any of it on kids. Certainly not when supporting this garbage.
Ever heard of religion
I mean I am mad at the child being forced to participate in the shame parade, anyone else?
@Captain Swordsman, what information do you have that implies it’s forced. The kid might have two dads or two moms and wants to support them in something they feel is important.
If the kid was dressed in a football jersey instead we wouldn’t consider it forced so why is this any different?
@A Blunt Object, if that's the case the kid needs to be put in a better situation, not steeped in this degeneracy.
@Captain Swordsman, how about unless you have undeniable proof of a child being abused mistreated or neglected, you should just worry about your own kids that I hope grows up more open minded and accepting of other human beings than you are. The only one who should feel shame here is you, expand on you views and try to spend a minute in the perspective of someone else. The world is a spectrum, nothing is black and white. Grow, experience, and spread love and acceptance.
@Captain Swordsman, kids need care and love, doesn’t matter who’s giving it...
@KateKat, I'm happy to spread love and acceptance of things that are acceptable. Two adult men or women getting married and doing whatever they want behind closed doors: acceptable. Dragging kids into this shいt: unacceptable. It's not a hard concept, my dude.
have you considered the benefits of suicide?
edit: i fvcked up real bad and i apologize
@Captain Swordsman, in what aspect is it unacceptable?
@Sweet Baby Jones, i used to, but then i realized how much of a detriment my death would be not only to myself but the people around me
@Sweet Baby Jones, despite popular belief, recommending suicide to anyone is not cool, find a different comeback.
@Sweet Baby Jones, this thread is about communication over differences and how to overcome it. No matter what the situation it’s not ok to basically tell someone to kill themself. Check yourself.
@Captain Swordsman, I do want to have a real conversation on this topic
@KateKat, because kids are more impressionable, and their lives are still taking shape while adults have already gotten to the point where they are the only ones responsible for their decisions.
@Captain Swordsman, then wouldn’t it be prudent to let children experience many different aspects of life so they can grow with the mindset that there are many different things in this world so when they are grown they can make the most educated decision for how to live there lives. If you keep them sheltered with blanket statements over things that are “bad” how will they be able to make their own choices as adults. And how confusing is it for a young mind for you to tell them “these people are ok to be gay or whatever by themself but it’s unacceptable in any other situation”. I don’t rightly understand how you can both be ok and against homosexuality.
@KateKat, I'm not against homosexuality, I'm against fあggotry. Homosexuality is an exclusive sexual attraction to your own sex, fあggotry is taking your homosexuality (or any other aspect of yourself ie. furfあgs, religionfあgs, etc) and revolving your whole life around it, shoving it in everyone's faces and shaming and deriding people who don't like or disagree with it. The problem here isn't that this child might be taught "some people are gay, and that's okay", it's that he might be taught "unicycling naked down lake shore drive with a fake pair of tits and dildoes hanging out your ass and mouth is beautiful and brave and anyone who says otherwise is a Nazi bigot that needs to die. Also, if you're straight you're a terrible person". I know that sounds like a bit of a slippery slope but you just can't put anything past the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ "community" these days.
@KateKat, also for some background, I'm openly bisexual, and though I do have spiritual beliefs, I reject 96% of the modern bible (including the anti-gay parts) as being a mix of human error, human meddling, and misinterpretation.
@Captain Swordsman, every group has its extremes and people who say those things you wrote at the bottom are in the wrong. But you cannot penalize and entire group because a few people take things to far. And even if your ok with homosexuality those parades are important because there are many people in this world who aren’t and people get murder, tortured, and impressions every day for this reason. So yes, something like what you described is not a child friendly thing to see but don’t put an entire group of people down for it.
@KateKat, yeah, i don't like Muslim countries either, that doesn't mean we need these shame parades and month and everything. and keep in mind I'm taking specifically about the LGBTWTFBBQ "community", not gay people as a whole.
@Captain Swordsman, Are you worried that the kid will suddenly catch ‘the big gay’ or something from watching a parade?
@Nellybert , the kid would be gay or not regardless of whether he watched the parade or not. Whether he turns out to be a fあggot or not is a different story, as I've already outlined above. I'm starting to think the lack of reading comprehension may be intentional.
@Captain Swordsman, so you are ok with a queer guy, as long as it's in the shadows out of your sight because its "degenerate" when all I want to do is love whoever the fvck I want. Thank you for reminding me why I many others still have to fight and teach acceptance to the younger generations, who of which tend to be far more insightful than you. Good day sir or mam ro whatever you are.
@Basil Fawlty, that's not what I said but go ahead and pretend it is so you can pretend you're fighting for something like some kind of soldier instead of another Tumblr drone behind a keyboard.
@Captain Swordsman, you sir are a closed minded bigot
@benderama, show me the close mindedness or bigotry. the only bigot i see so far is you
@Captain Swordsman, They kind of are though. They're fighting for their own personhood against people like you, who would have them stay out of sight forever.
More importantly, you clearly have issues. Go see a therapist. Or go meet some gay people, most of them are pretty chill. Go talk to somebody.
@Proactive Citizenry , I still never said anyone had to stay out of sight you liar, I am seeing a therapist, and I know plenty of gay or bisexual people, INCLUDING MYSELF since you somehow kee "accidentally" missing that part. you're either a liar or a retard.
@Captain Swordsman, Nothing anyone says will ever change your point of view. The fact that you think YOU can decide how people want to celebrate themselves and how they should act is bigotry and youre too blind to see it. I was raised by lesbian mother's and I still don't agree with the current LGBTQ community. But what I agree with or don't doesn't matter, it's not my place to decide how other people want to live. And if their kids are just as outgoing bacause of it, and you don't like it, well guess what. That's your problem. A personal problem. It hurts nobody, it just doesn't align with your specific compass of what people should be like, and that's no way to determine how people should live their lives.
@Captain Swordsman, Oh please, the only Tumblr drone around here is you. Getting offended over a picture of a kid with a pride flag because you don’t have context of the picture. Do you have any idea what that kid’s life is like, or what that specific pride parade may be like? There are parades that are a lot more child friendly than others. But because you think most people at these events are perverts who focus on shaming straight people for being straight, you seem just as narrow-minded as the straw men you set up.
@Captain Swordsman, a kid doesn’t know what gay pride is and u shouldn’t force them into following anything they don’t understand and the fact ppl downvoted u just for stating your opinion shows what this country has become in todays America everyone has a right to their beliefs and to state their opinion but as soon as your opinion goes against what is the popular opinion then you’re an asshole and u no longer have a right to your opinion it’s bullsh t
@Basil Fawlty, You’ll always have to teach tolerance and acceptance to the younger generations. That responsibility is never going to go away. But “Pride” parades are definitely not helping. Pride parades are not for homosexual people who want to be accepted as normal, they’re for virtue signalers, professional victims, and homosexuals who want to be considered exceptional, not normal. These gratuitous displays are not helping your fight, they’re hindering it.
@Captain Swordsman, I’m trying to make sure I’ve got your position correct in my mind. You’re okay with people being gay, but not with them expressing that as a part of their identity?
If it was a photo of a guy unicycling naked down the street, wearing a pair of fake boobs and with a dildo hanging out of his arse I’d get your objection (that’s public indecency, whoever you are). But you’re getting all riled up over a photo of a handful of people wearing perfectly normal clothes, carrying pride flags.
@Captain Swordsman, Parents force their kids to go to Santa Claus parades all the time.
@sgc6610, Since when is being a decent person going with popular opinion? Maybe you're just an asshole.
@Captain Swordsman, i think theres a lot of misunderstandings going on at this point. The first couple comments werent pretty but now everyones just getting ugly
@A Blunt Object, I feel like it does matter, people go to jail for "loving" kids a little too much
@Captain Swordsman, so basically your issue isn’t involving a child in what the parade stands for, but rather in the reality of what one can experience during said parade?
@DAMF000L, what you’re implying isn’t love, it’s the antithesis of it...
@A Blunt Object, whoa re you to judge what love is or isnt
@A Blunt Object, anything reasonable a kid wears is forced. Ever see a kid in a Batman mask, rain boots (in the summer) Spider-Man costume shirt, and his race car pajamas? Thats how you know he dressed himself.
@DAMF000L, causing someone else harm to fulfill ones own desires doesn’t sound like love to me...
@Sr5turbo, are you implying that this child dressed himself? Then there’s no longer a debate to be had. Bravo and good day.
@Sweet Baby Jones, i might have fvcked up and i would like to apologize
@Sweet Baby Jones, At least you owned up to it. Kudos. I would tack your apology onto the original comment prefacing it with an edit so people know you're sorry for what you said instead of finding it wayyyyy down here
@18bluecat, thanks for the advice
@A Blunt Object, would that not indeed be forced?
@Nellybert , that my friend is a straw man.
@Basil Fawlty, no loving who you want isnt degenerate. Walking around slaping your partner with 12 inch long black strap on dildo while walking him in his horse gimp leather suit in front of children is the degenerate part.
@benderama, lol like thats an argument.
@Proactive Citizenry , how did he argue against theyre personhood? Seems like youre prejudging him based on youre own pre concieved notions, and a refusal to accept or even listen to new ideas. So wouldnt that make you the bigot?
@mazemarble, yeah when did he say litterally anything about how other people should live. Sheath your sword of self righteousness sir squire lest you fall upon it yourself.
@coo111, hey maybe he just doesnt like kids being used as propaganda pieces. But hey just insert motives into his words and assume what hes talking about just so you can virtue signal that makes you cool right?
@Whole Inn Juan, but thats not political is it? Youre not trying to shove beliefes down youre kids throats. Total false equivalency.
@sgc6610, yeah but they have the right to downvote and show disapproval. Though the irony of people downvoting the "bigot" for not being open to new ideas is not lost on me.
@Whole Inn Juan, how am I an asshole? Just because I said someone with an unpopular opinion still has a right to have his or her opinions and beliefs that makes me an asshole?
@BlazingBowman, of course like I said everyone has a right to their opinion but when someone has an opinion that goes against what is the popular opinion ppl flip out and called them racist or sexist or homophobic or just call them an asshole like someone just called me earlier just for stating my opinion about having a right to an opinion if I don’t agree with your opinion it doesn’t matter to me I still respect your opinion and I’ll never say u don’t have a right to have that opinion but unfortunately not everyone is like that... ps I think I said opinion way too many times
@BlazingBowman, Insert what motives? He made his opinions pretty clear, with “naked unicycler with fake pair of tits and dildoes hanging out their ass and mouth” I’m not assuming anything about their words, and why would I? I’m not saying there aren’t Pride Parades that children shouldn’t attend but painting the entire community as that where children should be completely divorced from it is just something I personally disagree with. I don’t care what anyone else thinks about my opinions, whether for or against.
@sgc6610, of course everyone has the right to an oppinion. Though personally i like it better when you disagree with someone youre a little more thoughtful on how you disagree. You know state why you disagree and why you think theyre wrong. Instead of REEEEE racist i hate racist racist bad and i have claimed you as racist so you are bad person REEEE.
@coo111, its because thats the norm of pride parades nowadays..... have you been to a pride parade in the last 5 years. There are litterally thousands of pictures of people walking their horse gimps while slapping them with giant dildos. Its not homophobic to point that out and say kids probably shouldnt see that.
@Captain Swordsman, hey dude i just want you to know you said absolutely nothing wrong. Or even anything that should be considered right wing. Not thinking kids should be around what basically amounts to a public orgy is not and should not be considered insane or controversial. Its the idiot reactionaries that descended on youre comment like retarded vultures who are wrong not you.
@BlazingBowman, I fully well could be a bigot. I'm flawed like anyone else; and you never know your own biases until you're met with moments like these.
On the other hand, I'm not the one freaking out and making uncharitable assumptions about a single picture of a kid wearing a pride flag, while spouting homophobic slurs.
As for new ideas, I'm quite aware of the concept of being gay or bi or whatever and not being into the LGBTQ community or liberal culture in general. So it's hardly anything new. And yes, I'm aware that SOME parades get out of hand with their attendees being utterly inappropriate. But that doesn't apply to all of them.
@BlazingBowman, Nah, that was me misunderstanding the point you were trying to make. (You’re saying something along the line of “its okay to be gay, it’s not okay to be publicly degenerate about it” right?)
@coo111, I’m not agreeing or disagreeing, but my brother is gay and I went to a pride parade and I have to say, there were a lot of kids there, more than I expected! Now, that in itself isn’t a problem! But what I find a bit uneasy is, a lot of them were between 6-11, and to me, it’s a bit hard to know your sexuality at that age! I didn’t even think about sex or masturbate until I was 14! Second, some things the people were doing in the streets, people sucking dildos hanging out of another persons g-string, a few people licking each other’s bare ass. Now, THAT I have a problem with a 6-11 year old seeing, hell, I’d have a problem with my 16 year old seeing that! Freedom to do what you want and be who you are is awesome and I want that for everyone, but some things need to maybe be rethought before a child sees them in the streets of a parade
@A Blunt Object, explain bondage for me then
@Captain Swordsman, Let me ask you this. Do you use this argument during Valentines day and the days leading up to it? Where heterosexual displays are quite often shown on TV or in public?
While I agree that forcing a child into things is wrong. I try to avoid assuming the worst. Could be just a simple parade and not some sex fueled display you’re trying to paint all pride parades as being. You assume too much and have let your emotions cloud your judgement.
Ive been to a pride parade before. And it wasn’t anything like what you are trying to say they “all” are.
Thats the problem with generalization and blanket viewpoints. It leads to people letting their fear over rule their compassion or good judgment.
@Nellybert , yup, let me extend an olive branch i also do not like straight couples walking their horse gimps in public where little kids are.
@Seohn, hey seohn im curious as to if youve watched a gay pride march recently? Because most big ones nowadays are really degenerate, and are exactly aa he describes.
@Seohn, no, I don't, becauae the heterosexual displays usually end as far as hugging, holding hands, and light kissing. You know, the kind of public displays of affection that are acceptable (for both str8 and gay couples). Why would I use any argument against basic PDA against hetero couples, especially when I never did so against homo couples? As always, I post a comment saying A,B and C, and everyone reacts and responds as though I said X, Y, and Z, and refuses to accept otherwise.
@Captain Swordsman, My reaction is in response to a blanket assumption you made.
If you dont want people to respond in a certain way explain phrase what you mean better from the beginning. For example. You should have said. If the pride parade was one that had such and such people dressed with little to no clothing. The kids shouldn’t be exposed to that.
I worked out thats what you meant. But you continued to generalize quite often before I did. And while yes I can see that some parades are like that. Not all are.
However would like to note that not every family believes in raising their children the way a lot of people in the US do. Which is being highly upset with sexualized media but doesn’t bat an eye at hyper violent media. Its an odd standard. And something that is the opposite in other cultures or parts of the world.
@BlazingBowman, It doesn’t surprise me that some of the larger cities have parts of the parade that are like that. But from this picture. Thats going back to my original comment. A lot of assumptions being made. We dont know if the kid in this picture was exposed to that stuff. Its best not to assume
@Seohn, chances are yes he was exposed to some form of degeneracy. Considering the footage ive seen of normal pride events nowadays i would bet my life saving on it.
@Seohn, let me do a bit of research see if i can find what pride event this was taken at and watch some videos about it.
@Seohn, couldnt find the picture on google images. I suppose i could download the image and reverse image search it but that would require transfering over to my labtop and that more work than i want to put into it. Later.
@BlazingBowman, You can tell when the community loses interest as the likes/dislikes slowly start fading...
@Creepincreeper66, yeah flame war has faded especially fast on this one for some reason.
@Captain Swordsman, Hugging, holding hands, and light kissing? I wish the Valentine's Day ads ended there.
Oooooh flame war!