How did you expect the Quran was written by a pedo in a little house
@Bad Boi Jesus, Jesus out here throwing some facts down
@Bad Boi Jesus, my lawyer has informed me to deny any knowledge of this little house you mentioned
@Bad Boi Jesus, *arrested in the UK*
The bible was written through people who were inspired by the holy spirit with insight into the way things are. To boil down the bible to just a book is a disservice to the work and thought put into it and the interpretations around it. I'm not even christian, but there are deep and applicable concepts in and around the bible that improve society.
@PoliticalOtters, I mean I agree it has some good ideals, but I mean it's still a book, and in my opinion isn't above scrutiny. Let's remember this is the same book that says that Jesus agrees that slavery is ok as long as they're Jewish slaves, and they're let go after 7 years of work.
@Youtuber, right, but that's only if the stories are taken as completely literal. You could interpret that passage to mean that grievances and errors you committed should only bear weight for so long before you should let them go.
@PoliticalOtters, I mean yeah, I could look at Mein Kampf, and see all the good and beauty in a person and take the bad as a interpretation
@PoliticalOtters, I'm not trying to insult, I guess I'm just explaining I've never understood the interpretation thing
@Youtuber, do you believe the first amendment of the Constitution to apply only to the spoken word and not the internet? If not then you understand interpretation to an extent.
@PoliticalOtters, yes, but since then we've added laws to protect internet rights. Not in the exact way that the 1st amendment gives us but even still. It's hard to interpret a book thats been interptetted by someone who interptetted another book, who translated another book. I mean it's like if I was to write a book today. You could take that home and interpret what I was saying in the book right? You may be wrong or right but it's your thoughts on it. But let's say you then made an interptetted book on my book. Changing it to your views. Well that could then be an entirely different book at that point.
@Youtuber, there actually hasn't been a lot of actual laws when it comes to what people say online. There's been a lot of law around the how but that's not the same. Free speech on the internet is protected by judicial interpretation of the 1st Amendment. Your new book example is the whole point of the bible. It allows for interpretations to ring true because those may or may not be the "real truth" of the bible. To fully know the bible is to know the will of god and its something that is happening/known and at the same time being discovered.
@Youtuber, slavery was different. If you notice forced slaves with the Jewish people were punished by God with plagues. But service slaves, a very common thing in Israel and the middle East, was arranged and an agreement in exchange for money. There were written contracts and they were paid.
@Youtuber, it's closer to call it a collection of books.
@Fun Facts 101, closer to indentured servents really
@PoliticalOtters, thank you
@PoliticalOtters, nah fam it was written by the Illuminate to pacify the public.
@PoliticalOtters, the bible was not written by anyone with the spirit coursing through them. it was 300 years of spoken word being passed down before someone was literate enough to write down the version that they heard.
@Fun Facts 101, was coming to clarify the slavery point. It was a willing thing. It was like a bankruptcy. Once your 7 years (usually less since it ends in a jubilee) were up, your boss would would give you like, an ass load of goods and money. It was actually a pretty good system of welfare since no one was forced to be a slave.
@Verzaad, that first statement may be right but that second statement is complete nonsense. The oldest gospel manuscript we have is dated to AD90, only 60 years after the death of Jesus. Just to clarify, that's the oldest copy that we still have today. It still exists. You can go see it. The earliest writings were estimatedd to have been written just a few short years after Jesus death. It certainly wasn't 300 years before they were literate. Frig, even the ancient Egyptians were literate and they lived thousands of years before the common era.
@PoliticalOtters, you know it's inspired slavery and genocide right?
@Youtuber, O RLY? 1) Jesus never said that. 2) the “slaves” volunteered for the job. 3) there was no welfare system back then. You don’t work, you don’t eat. So sometimes people would have to be servants just to get by. Do some research pls.
@PoliticalOtters, also a well written account wouldn't need to be interpreted it would be clear what counts and cut out what doesn't instead you have at least 6 main sects and many many smaller ones the same can be can be said for islam and its two denominations
@eleven, many sects is the point of the bible. We have no idea what the core desires of mankind are and as such we should leave our structures so that future generations are allowed the freedom to find the belief system that rings true to our very being. There's a reason that Christianity lead to the enlightenment and Western morality.
@PoliticalOtters, not in the old testament. And it was written a good 90 years after Jesus's death by people who couldn't get basic geographical locations correct. So, they likely didn't know him either.
@PoliticalOtters, the Bible does not define morality there is too much wrong with it for that to work as for the first part again there shouldn't be according to every literally every religion that has ever existed there's only one path to heaven/enlightenment theirs shouldn't the path be straightforward and easy to follow so none are at risk simply because they don't subscribe to one particular sect over another
@PoliticalOtters, No, but you've almost got it. There are deep and applicable concepts in society that improved the bible.
@PoliticalOtters, If what you say is true and they has insight into the way things are via a holy spirit. And when someone says God only tells people what they need to know. Then when I say Evolution can exists within Gods work and that the holy spirit is just simplifying its explanations of creation, instead of trying to explain it in detail with concepts that people who couldn’t understand that tiny organisms called germs make them sick.
So what I say holds just as much biblical truth. If people now don’t understand evolution. People several hundred years ago definitely wouldn’t. So the explication of how we were created was simplified in terms anyone could understand. But that doesn’t mean evolution was not the method used for our creation. The problem happens when those same less broadminded people take the simplified version as a literal truth rather than remember as they themselves preach. God only tells us what we need to know. And I like to add, are capable of understanding.
@PoliticalOtters, shut up its just a book full of stories that makes sense for the time period it was written in, with view appropriate for only that time period. The bible was written by the same types of people who run Scientology. Wake up
@Breast Day Ever, How can you say "after Jesus' death" when Jesus didn't exist and when no one has any knowledge of when he "lived"
@Seohn, yea I think you got it!
@PoliticalOtters, I personally have no issues with any religion or lack thereof. I feel its everyones right to believe whatever they wish. As long as what they wish stays a personal pursuit. What I mean by that is, until they start forcing people to believe or enacting laws based on that religion. There will be no issue.
Its the very same argument I have used for support of gay marriage back when it was a big topic. I don’t like people telling me what to do or how to live my life. As long as I’m not harming anyone. Why would I tell someone else how to live theirs.
But I do like to question everything. Even the foundations of ideologies or religions. Not because I disagree. But because it helps understand it.
Always question what you believe. Or else you never see your faults.
I’ve often said the ability to question ones religion and hold on to it makes the faith stronger. Not questioning it is to follow blindly and only weakens ones ability to not falter.
@Breast Day Ever, You wanna be super technical, then many of the stories are rehashed versions of older religions. So one could argue the bible was written before Jesus was even born.
Also, outside of the bible, there is no historical record of Jesus existing because it's all fairy tails to teach people morals.
@Verzaad, except Josephus, Pliny, Tacitus... Did you even Google this?
@Youtuber, context, it's very important, and you've eliminated the context. That was not Jesus was saying, not even close.
"It was written by people!!!"
Yeah.. Of course it was.. Most of the books are literally named after the people who wrote them. Mark, Matthew, Luke, john?
@Fun Facts 101, No, those are the originally story tellers and when they wrote the book centuries later they gave credit back those who spoke the stories.
@Verzaad, It literally says in the books that Paul wrote that he writes letters to churches. I'm pretty sure he and other people could write back then.
@SuperBiao, the specific example in this case was the four gospels, not Paul’s letters.
This was a weird interview. The two guys are from the westboro Baptist church, and this was during the hype of picketing soldier funerals and this ones funeral and that ones funeral.
It's not a bad watch.
God didnt inscribe the ten commandments on those stone tablets either
@MMSieBreeze, that’s why God has Prophets write down His word
The bible is just a scam to get your money. A couple dudes sat down one day and were like "ya know how we could get rich? Let's write a book that will convince people to worship some dude in the sky and we can sit in pointy buildings and pretend we can talk to him." And to this day the only people that knew of this scam were the guys that wrote it, and me because I figured it out.
@Nudity Industries, I wouldn't say it was a scam. Back in the day life was hard, life expectancy was low, having a child could kill you very easily due to sanitary conditions and complications. It was a way to give people hope for a better place when they pass and to follow the laws of the land.
@TheyCallMeTaterSalad, I'm just throwing a conspiracy theory out there. I don't have any solid proof that any of what I said is or isn't true. It's just my idea.
@Nudity Industries, Alright that's fair enough
@Nudity Industries, when a fandom becomes too big it becomes a religion
Yep, and people lie.
@InsaneAnimeCleavage, your right they do. However, rarely do they ever die for those lies like thousands of Christians did. Especially the disciples.
@ThatGuyx79, lies? How do explain the countless prophecies being confirmed throughout history and time and some that are unfolding before our very eyes
@tmo0792, sadly man, you’ll never convince an atheist. They’ll never believe and that’s their right to free choice
@tmo0792, Man, if you're going to make a claim like that, you need evidence.
@Weird Porn Stash, http://christinprophecy.org/articles/applying-the-science-of-probability-to-the-scriptures/
@Weird Porn Stash, that's just a few a couple of simpler ones would be things like "The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes" Joel 2:31 we have had 2 of the red moons already. Another being the one world government found in Revelation 13 and 17. Also in Timothy prophesying how the world would become morally worse and worse as time goes on before the end times.. "But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God," 2 Timothy 3:1-4
@tmo0792, 1: Blood moons and eclipses have always been a thing
2: There is no "one world government"
3: Morality is subjective, and living conditions (specifically in the first world) are the absolute best they have ever been and only get better over time.
@Weird Porn Stash, if you think that morality is better than it has been and that it is subjective I feel sorry for you. The world is honestly so evil now with the amount of hate people have toward each other its unbelievable that you think that
@tmo0792, There's too many people for you to actually be able to judge them all like you just did. And remember, people on earth were so evil that God just said, "Screw this, restart," and sent the Flood.
@SuperBiao, I didn't judge anyone specifically. As a matter of fact we are all worthless but thank the Lord we dont have to earn salvation, but the rate at which people are killing each other, bullying each other, suicidal/ mental health issues on the rise.. to say that the world is any better Is a huge misunderstanding of how th world is. God also promised he wouldn't destroy the world again until the end times though so that isnt gonna "just happen" again until that point in time
@tmo0792, How? How it the world possibly more morally worse-off now then in history? How is it more evil? How is there more hate?
@Weird Porn Stash, I just listed a little of why it is morally worse in the last comment statistics dont lie.
@tmo0792, Okay, that's because advancements in entertainment and technology give the devil an array of platforms to strangle people's lives. If u don't try to at least find comfort in Jesus, then u will have to facr all that bad stuff head on. I mean I'm talking from a Christian standpoint, believe what u want to believe.
@tmo0792, First off, you didn't actually give any statistics (I don't expect you to, this is funnypics. Not really the best debate platform). But do you honestly think the world was better in the past? With all the oppression of tons of groups, way more wars than today, genocides, slavery, way more widespread racism, etc? Literally the only thing the past has over the present was that the environment was in better shape.
@ThatGuyx79, people die for lies all the time. Whether it’s an army man dying for the sake of a king/general’s ego or the cult leader serving people poison with the promise of heaven, we humans trade our lives for promises all the time. Sometimes those promises turn out to be false.
If this wasn’t a fundamental part of humanity, no one would ever eat fast food, or smoke cigarettes, or gamble/drink/fück excessively, or any of the other thousand needlessly self destructive things we humans do on a regular basis.
We die for nothing in droves. Fooling a few hundred people in a barbaric world with fantastical stories and promises of paradise would not be that difficult, and they were extremely successful in spreading the faith. This doesn’t invalidate religion, it just gives it context in reality.
Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I leave to the philosophers.
@Weird Porn Stash, can we at least agree that parenting today is far worse than in the past?
@tmo0792, Crusades, Holocaust, Rwanda Genocide, Chemical Warfare, Mao Zedong, Genghis Khan, Vlad The Impaler, Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin
Aw no the world has never been worse
@Osama bin Dead, Absolutely not.
@Fearless Fapper, people who think their point in history is unique are people who don’t understand history.
We (in the western world at least) are probably living in the best time yet. We are safer than ever before, with access to more technology, both life saving and life improving, than ever before. We are at a point where there is such a massive food surplus that obesity is an exponentially larger problem than starvation, and the vast majority of contagious diseases have been either cured or vaccinated. Nobody has polio anymore. Much fewer people develop cystic fibrosis and those that do live much longer. Diabetes isn’t the death sentence it used to be (even if that is more common). The list goes on, and the life expectancy average is steadily rising. On top of all of that, we aren’t at global war and haven’t been for seventy years.
@tmo0792, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@I Are Lebo, I can't tell what that guy is more delusional about. The past, or the present.
@Weird Porn Stash, well it is
@tmo0792, as a part of what you don’t understand, maybe actually look at the statistics you’re referencing. Specifically the murder rates, the general crime rates, the poverty rates, the deaths by sickness or malnourishment, you know the things that actually matter.
Look at the actual numbers, and you’ll see they don’t support your argument.
@I Are Lebo, the united states mass genocides millions of unborn precious children every year and that alone is sickening. But of course you dont care because you dont think that it's a life because you dont want to have a conscious or pay for your actions or have repercussions. "It is a poverty that a child must die in order for you to live your life the way you choose" -mother Theresa
@tmo0792, the fact that you correlate abortion with genocide shows that you understand neither.
An argument can be made regarding the difference between a potential life and an actual life. A legitimate argument can be made that it is morally wrong to kill an unborn fetus for any reason.
But it is not homicide, and it is certainly not genocide. Abortions are not (in the western world at least) performed on unwilling mothers. You are being melodramatic.
In any event, your point is irrelevant to the topic being discussed and I’m not going to be diverted by your attempt to seize the moral high ground. Crime is down across the board. Compare the murder statistics from today to those of 50 years ago. Or the rape statistics. The list goes on and it shows quite clearly that you do not have a clear or complete understanding of this subject. I recommend you educate yourself before going on message boards to make yourself seem smart and/or virtuous.
Does that guys shirt say priestsrapeboys.com? Is that a protest site or a dating site?