full of family trauma
God this comment section is depressing
Why wouldn't they be? They control the market, they get to choose. It won't end well, but they'll have their fun for now. It was hard not to laugh when a woman I liked when we were younger, dejectedly said that she would be married by now if she wasn't such a hoe.
@Gamasennin, they control access to sex, but men control access to relationships. The problem is the 20% of men that 80% of women want are using their advantages and having all the sex with none of the burden of relationships.
Ironically, what women say they want is a lie (emotionally available, thoughtful, caring, good listener), all they really are after is attention and security.
When the end up old and alone, they are going to demand the government step in to care for and protect them. It’s going to be an monumental train wreck.
The best thing men can do is do what we do best, create. Build a home and find likeminded people (church is a great place to start, even if you don’t believe) and live a good life. You may, or may not, find a woman in the process, but you will have a good life.
@Gamasennin, @Hot Coffee, agree with you both 100%
@Hot Coffee, I’m glad we have prophets like you, who’ve looked into what women want and determined that its only attention and security 😍 thank you, wise man, for telling everyone what lies beneath the surface!!
@Can yew knot, you’re welcome.
Good to know you finally found something beyond your emotional reaction to judge ideas and observations by, maybe there’s a sliver of hope for you after all.
Based on my research, mostly on the matter of men and their interactions with women, the dudes who are genuine nice guys still do decently well in the dating market, but the f-boys sleep with more women. It's astounding to the degree as well. One guy was dumber than bricks, wasn't very attractive, but managed to sleep with tons of chicks because he was rude (I got to see his conversation history).
While this isn't consistent across the board, men who genuinely want a relationship have a harder time as a woman may want him to put in work, yet previously slept with dudes who bought her taco bell because she was bored. Some people will down vote and tell me partner history should be irrelevant, but it's not the case when said woman acts like a prize a man has to work for. Relationships should be mutual effort and I see a lot less of that than not. As long as that continues en masse, there are going to be a large number of both men and women who are unhappy.
im a nice guy. I like AR-15’s and pulling the legs off of insects just like every other nice guy i know lol
Wow the “nice guy” vibes coming off these comments is sad. Women absolutely want kind, thoughtful, emotionally available men who show genuine respect and concern. What we don’t want are entitled jerks who seem to think every rejection is a sign that women are secretly using you instead of a reaction to poor behavior (like pretending to be a good person instead of actually being a good person) so please drop the incel act and focus on improving what you bring to the table as a person. Girls might play games, but women are looking for real partners with substance, character, and poise.
@Ashes7811, You came to label and dismiss. Anyone that un-ironically drops the term “incel” is disqualified from the conversation.
@Ashes7811, I don't like simply down voting a person.
But you're effectively walking in here preaching like a black hebrew israelite, yelling about the white devils lost their souls when they lost their black skin.
Maybe things in dating are different because of mass communication. Maybe it's the fact boys are prescribed a constant dopamine drip feed of cocane, video games, and porn.
Maybe they don't react well to subtle stimulus, like a smile or a glance. So they have no drive to "go out to get some."
I know what stopped me was rampant title nine abuses, no falt divorce, and several crippling anti social addictions and hobbies.
So, if you've read this far. Good for you. What I'd like to leave you with is a thought from Frankenstein. The villagers feared the monster, but who was at fault for the monster?
Women have the most important role in society. To show what is expected of men, by rewarding the winners. If you want some one, kind, thoughtful, and emotionally available.Then be it
@That one lurker, I agreed with you up until the point that it is somehow women's role and responsibility to teach men to behave correctly. Men look up most to men - it should be equally upon men to be good role models and discourage purposeless and sexist behavior.
@Doctor Walrus, I hit the word cap, so I rewrote it once or twice.
Since you're a Doctor, you'd know that women birth the child. That boy grows up, learning what is needed from a mother by their mother. The fathers role is to show what a man needs to do. Men build the society, women build the men.
" The Hand That Rocks the Cradle Is the Hand That Rules the World"
BLESSINGS on the hand of women!
Angels guard its strength and grace.
In the palace, cottage, hovel,
Oh, no matter where the place;
Would that never storms assailed it,
Rainbows ever gently curled,
For the hand that rocks the cradle
Is the hand that rules the world.
Infancy's the tender fountain,
Power may with beauty flow,
Mothers first to guide the streamlets,
From them souls unresting grow—
Grow on for the good or evil,
Sunshine streamed or evil hurled,
For the hand that rocks the cradle
-William Ross Wallace
@That one lurker, circa 1865
@Ashes7811, I hope she sees this bro
@That one lurker, "man learns what they need to do from their father" and this includes their behavior. It's a nice poem, but you can't expect men to learn to be gentlemen from their mother alone if their father is a wife beating djckwad. Again, it's just as upon men to be good examples as it is for women to expect and ask for the right things from men. Lead by example
@Doctor Walrus, I think the conversation boils down to responsibility.
I'm not contesting men and women don't share responsibility for the child's up bringing.
What I am saying is that woman are being taught by feminist that they only have value if they are a girl boss.
Take as example, this poem that I posted is from 18f@ckn60's. This should be peak misogyny. But he shows the importance of being a mother.
We are not raising daughters to become mothers.
We are raising them to be sh!tier men.
@That one lurker, can't argue with that - a mother is an extremely important role for a lot of reasons. I think a better way if phrasing this though is not framing the problem around the things women are being taught now that were taboo for them before, such as being more individualistic. After all, it's a woman's right to choose not to be a mother. Rather we should be pointing out that individualism and motherhood are somewhat contested (especially by career interests), and that women should be warned that motherhood is a full time job that requires careful attention and a drive to be the best self possible. In other words, there's not a problem with the individualistic things women are learning now, there's a problem with pretending someone can be an individual first and a parent second.
Ooft this comment thread. I only know my experience of online dating as a somewhat unattractive nerd, and it's been pretty bleak that I gave up. But I think guys deal with their own issues from dating. I think it's better if everyone just focused on being the best version of themselves they can be.
@NerdyGirl69, as a men there are a lot of things that have become concerning lately, even disregarding pissues I have with past girlfriends (one of my exes has a child with my father and they are engaged). We are also expected to pay for most things,(especially on the first few dates) there was a fad going around among toxic groups to see who could get a man to waist the most money on them. There is also a fear that if you sleep with a woman, that she may "baby trap" you, though there are ways to protect yourself they are not always foolproof if the woman is dedicated. Couple that with the fact that if things end badly and the woman wants to spite you a single accusation of abuse (sexual or otherwise) is enough to ruin most men's carrers even if it has no merrit. Then should you make it to marrage if that fails there is a high likelihood that you are going to be financially devastated in the process saw that happen too many times). This is not to say all or even most women do this.
@NerdyGirl69, I just wanted to bring a few concerns to your attention that you may not have thought about, as I know I'm probably not aware of most issues most women have to worry about aside from abusive and creepy dudes.
@Hesediel, I actually agree with you 100% on your concerns. That's why I said guys have their own things to deal with in regards to dating. I never want kids, I always pay for myself, and I'm usually brutally honest and I never argue in relationships. Not to say I don't have my downsides, I'm pretty insecure and thats unattractive and tiring. But yeah you don't hear much about sexism from a guys perspective these days. Although a guy probably wouldn't have a genuine concern a date might kill them if they get angry?
@NerdyGirl69, while that is not a super prevalent concern it's not something that we never think about (though that is something that I worry about on the other end since I am a bigger guy at 5'9" and about 350lbs and I spent a lot of time working out in highschool, so I try and stay mindful of how intimidating I may seem when approaching anyone, especially women. I have also always encouraged anyone who worries for their safety to get properly trained and liscenced to carry a handgun if they can. ) The bigger issue we have is if a woman get upset and turns "violent" and starts slapping or hitting you which is not at all uncommon, even trying to stop her can cause you to get the shít beat out of you by other guys, or again just an allegation of a guy putting his hands on a woman can turn his life upside down, I even have a friend who's now ex-girlfriend dug her nails into his arm and drew blood, cause she was annoyed, and was upset when he grabbed her wrist to get her hands off him.
@Hesediel, personally I think if a girl raises a hand to a guy it's fair game for him to fight back. But I also think all physical violence is completely unacceptable
@NerdyGirl69, I have also heard stories of women getting angry and stabbing, shooting, or hitting a partner with a car, hell there's even the whole Johnny Depp/amber heard trial that just finished not too long ago that shows alot of the things she did to him. So while being killed is not super high on the list, being attacked is a concern which can turn deadly pretty quickly.
@Hesediel, true, and some people will always be crazy for sure. But I don't think guys will ever understand the fear of being a girl in a situation of a guy who's a bunny boiler. I had a stalker recently and genuinely feared for my life at one point.
@NerdyGirl69, I completely acknowledge that that is not something I've ever really had to worry about, the closest I've really come is at work, I work in security, where I have had to deal with threats from people with drug/mental problems, and on one occasion someone who I later found out had a warrent out for attempted murder, though they have never made me fear for my own safty so much as the people that I am there to protect. I try my best to keep an eye out for any issues like that everywhere, even on the rare occasion that I go out to a bar/club. Hopefully your situation turned out ok, no one should ever have to live in fear for their life, it's one of the few things that makes my blood boil, people preying on and abusing those that can't defend themselves.
@Hesediel, yeah I think thankfully I was able to fully try and protect myself. People in abusive situations aren't always actually in that position due to the conditions they're in causing brain changes. Man shjtty people just be shjtty people yo. Why can't everyone just be super lovely and all nympho gamer haha
@NerdyGirl69, I didn't mean to say that was the only thing that causes people to be that way just in my case that has been an issue alot of the time, though I do get alot of just shítty people. And I agree people just need to chill out, and as for the gamer thing I'm actually playing dnd as I type this.
I am in this picture and I don't like it.