Not really... Lucifer just threw a temper tantrum when he saw that he was not God’s favorite and humans were. He refused to serve humans, rebelled, and he and his followers were thrown into the pit for their disobedience. This is why he try’s to tempt corrupt and turn God’s favorite creature away from God. Sorry for the long post. Hope everyone is having a good day
@grayhome, wrong, only buddah exists actually.
@grayhome, I heard god called Lucifer a jive turkey. Thats the real story. Hope ur having a day good
@grayhome, if you take the Old Testament literally, God is absolutely heinous. Not a source for good, more of a force of nature.
But of course that also made Old Testament God the only one worth praying to. If you prayed, He MIGHT not smite you. If you didn’t, all bets were off.
New Testament God is a con artist. If he does anything at all, it’ll only ever be in ways that you can’t tell, disguised as random acts. He has plausible deniability for everything that happens or doesn’t happen, because he’s got a ‘plan’.
@grayhome, though technically speaking, none of that is actually in the Bible.
@I Are Lebo, incredibly caricatured and distorted but you be you and believe that version. It’s not the Bible version but that’s none of my business.
@Jko0131, in no particular order:
Samuel 6:19 god kills 50,000 men for looking at something he didn’t want them to (ark of the covenant).
Peter 2:18 god tells slaves to obey their masters regardless of how cruel they are.
Exodus 21:7 god endorses men selling their daughters as sex slaves.
Kings 6:28 god endorses cannabilism.
Matthew 5:28 god says looking at a woman with arousal is equal to committing adultery.
Kings 13:8-14 raping your own sister is apparently okay.
Chronicles 21:14 god makes a huge amount of people, including children, die from illness involving their bowels literally falling out.
Numbers 16:41 the Israelites complain about god killing them too much. In response, god sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
Joshua 6:20 god helps the Israelites slaughter every man, woman, and child in Jericho.
Kings 2:23 god slaughters 42 children with bears for mocking his prophet Elisha.
Judges 2:21 in revenge for missing a roll call, god has a tribe slaughtered, except for their virgin daughters, who are raped and enslaved.
Judges 14:11 god helps Sampson kill 30 men over a bet.
Judges 16:27 god helps Sampson crush 3,000 people with a giant boulder. (God seems to like Sampson)
Deuteronomy 13:6 god demands you slaughter your family if they don’t worship Him.
Kings 1:9 god incinerates 51 men to prove his existence.
Genesis 38:9 god kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brothers widow.
Psalms 137:8 god is all for bashing babies against rocks, too.
I think I’ve made my point, here. Old Testament God is a genocidal maniac.
@grayhome, its a joke.. ur on a meme app neither story is real
@I Are Lebo, wow man. God or a Christian must have hurt you at some point in your life for you to go off like this on a funny picture app. Let them have their picture. Go post this on Facebook or something. Let them believe what they want to believe. No one is trying to poke a hole in your religion so don't do it to someone else.
@I Are Lebo, #religiouspics
@grayhome, The word “Lucifer” is used in the King James Version only once, in Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” is helel (or heylel), from the root, hâlâl, meaning “to shine” or “to bear light.” Keil and Delitzsch noted that “[i]t derives its name in other ancient languages also from its striking brilliancy, and is here called ben-shachar (son of the dawn)... (1982, 7:311)
@Hockman9, However, the KJV translators did not translate helel as Lucifer because of something inherent in the Hebrew term itself. Instead, they borrowed the name from Jerome’s translation of the Bible (A.D. 383-405) known as the Latin Vulgate. Jerome, likely believing that the term was describing the planet Venus, employed the Latin term “Lucifer” (“light-bearing”) to designate “the morning star” (Venus). Only later did the suggestion originate that Isaiah 14:12ff. was speaking of the devil. Eventually, the name Lucifer came to be synonymous with Satan. But is Satan “Lucifer”?
@Hockman9, No, he is not. The context into which verse 12 fits begins in verse 4 where God told Isaiah to “take up this parable against the king of Babylon, and say, ‘How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!’” In his commentary on Isaiah, Albert Barnes explained that God’s wrath was kindled against the king because the ruler “intended not to acknowledge any superior either in heaven or earth, but designed that himself and his laws should be regarded as supreme” (1950, 1:272). The chest-pounding boast of the impudent potentate was:
@TheSecretSavage, when someone promotes ignorance and I feel like responding with truth, I’m going to.
You have no authority over me. Like my comment, dislike my comment, respond to my comment, or ignore my comment. All those choices are yours. But you cannot silence me, and I will say what I choose to.
And what I choose to say here is that anyone who looks to the bible for moral guidance has to cherry pick to do so, because those books are filled with disgusting stories and evil deeds perpetrated by a fictional being whose entire claim to ultimate good and authority is self professed.
@grayhome, Uh that's the "official" reasoning. What actually happened was that's God changed His netflix password without telling me so I rebelled for the fate of the universe.
@I Are Lebo, great job taking everything out of context. But you do you and stay negative.
@Jko0131, please explain to me the context in which any of that is acceptable.
@Jko0131, seriously. In what context is raping and pillaging something laudable?
@I Are Lebo, incredibly distorted. What you’ve done is similar to taking only a snapshot out of an entire story. If someone assaulted a person on the street and you intervened, it’s like saying nothing happened beside you abruptly assaulting someone for no reason. I give credit for knowing these passages but without (correct) context you’ve twisted. Heck I can do that with any story and make anyone look like a villain. You are angry. It’s not an intellectual issue. It’s a heart pissed off at a God who you deem is below your “perfect” righteousness.
@Hockman9, just so you know, the letter capacity is far higher. You didn’t need to split your comments so much.
@Jko0131, none of that is accurate. There is no context for an all powerful being to be just in causing unnecessary torment, suffering, and death.
A benevolent god avoids unnecessary suffering.
A malevolent god forbids questioning him.
There is no context in which it is acceptable to needlessly murder innocents.
I have provided the examples for why the biblical god is evil, and your refutation is that my examples are out of context. Either provide the context for at least one of these that excuses the actions, or concede that I am correct. I hereby challenge you on your beliefs.
@Jko0131, I want it to be clear at this point that you’re a coward.
@I Are Lebo, haha, it looks like you made your last remark while I was reading through this thread - it's a happy coincidence! I wouldn't expect much out of him - his responses have been pretty novice level apologetics. I love that he ACTUALLY used the "You're just mad at God" defense! It's like he saw "God's Not Dead" and it somehow blew his mind. I can't imagine what it's like to be so - I'm gonna be polite - so indoctrinated that you never second guess the fantastic claims taught as truth, and even if you do, you decide that REALITY ITSELF must be wrong because what you were taught is "The Truth!" Ehhh... anyway, you're doing great without my .02¢ so I'll shut up now. Cheers, as the limeys say!
@King Spunkmonkey, I had a similar thread with Liberachi that I was going to go back and call him a coward if he never responded, but I forgot which pic it was on and my feed doesn’t go back far enough.
The funny thing is, I’m not even claiming the stories to be true. I’m just saying that if you take the Old Testament at face value, they portray a divine force capable of enormous feats of sadism. Old Testament God is a truly malevolent being, nowhere near the claims of Him being the ultimate source of goodness.
That’s not saying that important lessons can’t be gained from the bible, but so many religious Christians argue out of both sides of their mouths on the issue. The stories are metaphorical when they support morals modern Christians reject and are literal history when the moral is one they support.
It’s hypocrisy to say that homosexuality is an abomination because the bible says so and then to say that having slaves is wrong. The same book that reviles gays supports slavery.
@I Are Lebo, if that makes you feel worth putting others down based on false pretense, you are free to use the 1st amendment as misconstrued as it may be. Bless you!
@Jko0131, if your beliefs are too weak to defend, you are an unthinking zealot who uses faith as a shield between themselves, and personal responsibility and reason.
Take your bless you and shove it up your ass. Your silence on the argument is all the concession I need to see to know that you have no substance to your beliefs.
Your faith denigrates people based on their sexual preferences, reviles sex itself, shaming sexuality regularly yet hosts and protects people who commit barbaric sexual acts on children, and then tries to hold itself to a higher moral standing.
You are not a good person because of your faith in Christianity. You are a bad person because of it.
This is not because of Christianity itself, it’s because of who you have chosen to be. You have chosen to be someone who will not think for himself and that makes you beneath me.
@I Are Lebo, you have issues obviously with you penchant to glorify yourself without knowing others. May you find peace within yourself so you don’t war outside yourself. You are loved.
@Jko0131, I am a thirty year old slacker who has accomplished nothing noteworthy in his life whatsoever. I’m high functioning autistic, struggle with depression, and am extremely nihilistic and lazy. I contemplate suicide every day and the only reason I have never attempted to harm myself is because I refuse to cause that kind of harm to my family and friends.
I do not glorify myself, in fact it would be far more accurate to call myself self-loathing.
I tell you this so that when I tell you that I am a better person than you, and that your professed viewpoints and ideologies on here make you scum, you may just possibly recognize where this criticism is coming from, and hopefully reevaluate what values you hold.
I’m not going to hold my breath, though.
@Jko0131, I asked one thing of you. One. You claim that my criticism of the Bible is invalid because I took the quotes out of context. Provide one singular shred of context that justifies any one of the quotes I posted and I will concede to you.
But you won’t. Because you can’t.
@I Are Lebo, doesn’t surprise me that’s where you are. Hope you find peace.
@Jko0131, and I hope you find reason.
*waits Good Guy Satan’s explanation*
@Ray213, whenever I see a comment about waiting for the relevant person to join in, it always reminds me of Seymour waiting for Fry.
@Ray213, I want to hear his side of the story, I mean the entire book is totally against him without his input!
@I Are Lebo, please don’t bring that up my heart can’t take the feels again
@Ray213, *angrily cancels upcoming upload*
@grayhome, so satan is just a prepubescent emo?