I think it might be more accurate to say nobody likes the actress
@zuisher , well yes but also slightly yes to the comic one as well especially in the second Avengers: Civil War
@zuisher , I do...she was good in Scott pilgrim and United States of Tara
@zuisher , both. Captain marvels not a great character but Brie Larson is out of touch with reality
@zuisher , while the actress is the worst part of captain marvel she is also kind of a merry sue which is a terrible writing trope
@Khjunky, and the movie was bland as hell.
@zuisher , I liked captain marvel in the earths mightiest heroes tv series but not as much in the movie
@zuisher , normally I by the Blue ray (lately the 4k) for the Marvel movies the day they hit the self. This one... maybe once it hits the $10 table. A Mary-Sue is bad enough, but at least Daisy Ridley isn't a PR nightmare.
@Khjunky, *Spoilers for Far From Home*
Hence why they now heavily imply Peter is the new face and head of the Avengers and not Captain Marvel
@zuisher , I love the actress when she plays the right roles, which is the "crazy b!tch" like in scott pilgrim. Can't make a crazy b!tch a superhero and expect people to like her.
@Khjunky, notice when its a female character thats unstopable its a Mary Sue. But when its John Wick its bad ass?
Not saying its sexism. Just saying when I watched the Captain Marvel movie. I interpreted the movie as being about her finding her past and learning to use her powers. Which negates it being Mary Sue. Thats quite literally what the story was. Discovering her past and what shes capable of. Captain Marvel wasn’t flawless. She had her own issues. The villains were there as nothing more than cannon fodder though. But if you watch enough movies. Nearly all villains are. I guess thats why in part so many people liked this version of Thanos.
But if people want to complain about the story thats fine. Not like there aren’t plenty of over powered male characters too.
@Seohn, it's not about a female character being OP that makes then a Mary sue/ Gary Stu.
Having not scene the movie yet but having read these blurbs, if the movie is in fact a "journey of discovery" as she discovers specific abilities and their limits is the most Mary/Gary sue thing in the book.
John wick on the other hand is on a clear cut path of destruction for one reason, they killed his dog.
From a character perspective you can write so many details into "rage fit over dead dog" rather than "OP cosmic goddess learns she's OP" which stifles a lot of character growth potential. People criticize superman for exactly that issue, his character detail is that he's overpowered, not he's OP because of who he is.
Brie Larson as an actress, woman's got chops, but she needs to temper her knee jerk reactions in trying to empower women. Rather than that cheesy scene with the women of marvel all formed up, where echos actress even looked confused. "Wtf am I doing on the front lines?"
@ Tobias Widower, they should have done something closer to a montage like the guys got in the thanos 3v1. Scarlet witch took thanos to task, marvel made his purple @ss pucker, but pepper deserved a better showcase than just back to back fighting with Tony, black panthers sister could've gone wakandan batman, with the general being more traditional martial might, even gamora and nebula deserved to go after and systematically exterminate thanos' lieutenants.
At the end of the day there's more effective ways to empower women than an album cover photo.
@ Tobias Widower, I agree with this. It just felt a bit too forced. Whereas the bit in infinity war with Scarelt Witch, Okoye and Black widow just worked better.
@Seohn, I actually enjoyed the Captain Marvel movie more than most recent Marvel movies. I still overall would have chosen a different actress just because Brie Larson seems too... idk nothing? She doesn’t make a strong impression and seems like not that great of an actress, but she wasn’t terrible and I liked her in her standalone movie more than in Endgame. I wasn’t expecting to like the movie at all based on people’s reactions though so it was a pleasant surprise that it was pretty good.
@Sven and Otar, captain marvel was never suppose to be the leader she has always been a more cosmic player. She was never even considered an avenger... in the movies anyways
@Mkb617, Kevin Feige and Marvel said on more than one occasion they planned on her being the new face of the Marvel Franchise, it was only after controversy after controversy that they weren’t actively tooting that horn. So maybe saying she’d be leading the Avengers was incorrect, but they’re definitely shaping Spidey to be the face of the franchise from now on which was what I was getting at
@ Tobias Widower, Mary Sue is a term used to describe a fictional character, usually female, who is seen as too perfect and almost boring for lack of flaws, originally written as an idealized version of an author in fanfiction.
That means captain marvel in general is a mary sue including the comic itself by your description.
I suppose thats fine. But she wasn’t perfect in the movie. She had flaws. I have actually watched it. And I do not think the character in the movie fits this definition.
If theres anything Han Solo movie taught me. Because it was way better than people claimed (and other movies). Its to watch it first before buying into the comments online. Fan boys and people who criticize just because they dont like an actor/actress. Are never a good source of honest review.
@ Tobias Widower, John Wick fits the definition of Gary Sue a lot more than Captain Marvels new movie.
Hes an unstoppable killing machine. Flawless in his abilities. Anytime hes hurt its more to do with bad luck than lack of skill.
Its an awesome movie dont get me wrong. Near the top of my list of favorites. Sure they killed his dog. Thats just what drives the story. Theres really not much more to the story other than that aside for why he loved the dog so much.
But if I wanted to be someone seeking revenge for killing my dog. The idealized version of that person is John Wick.
Yet no one ever really claimed Gary Sue for him. I use that as an example because having seen both movies and having no issues viewing both objectively against the definition of a Mary/Gary Sue. Its easy see which falls more closely.
@Seohn, first of all John wick is not a mery sue, John wick is what you would call a power fantasy, much like the dad in taken or the main character in a lot of video games. Also men can also be mery Sue's. The biggest and obvious one would be some of the versions of superman, another great example is kirito from sword art online, they are great without exception at nearly everything they do without any training or reasoning for thier abilities.
@Khjunky, Maybe so but what I said still stands. Power fantasy, Mary Sue. Not a lot of difference. And by the definition you gave on your last sentence only further reenforced that Captain Marvel was not a Mary Sue character in the new movie. She had plenty of training for one. And her abilities weren’t all powerful do anything she wanted. Like the hulk just a normal human who was gifted with tremendous power. And limited in the powers use at that. (At least from what the movie showed) Not to mention her flaws.
John Wick (bad ass heavily trained assassin)
Captain Marvel. (Given a power that makes her tough and a hell of a lot of damage optional. But thats all the power is really good for.)
Shes not even that great at fighting like other characters in the movie. Shes just tough and hits hard like the Hulk. Nothing that special compared to other Super Hero’s.
@Khjunky, So why does a character thats more flawed than John Wick get called a Mary Sue but he doesn’t. Which was my original point when I started my first post.
@Sven and Otar, that’s a fair statement.
Captain Marvel- fine.
Brie Larson- a Dumpster fire of a human being
@Suicide Squad Sucks, thats an insult to dumpster fires everywhere. They do have standards, not high ones but standards all the same.
Brie Larson and the most recent comic book incarnations of captain marvel are shjt. Previous versions however were pretty cool, but Brie will never be
i hate both.
Captain Marvel was just a way for Marvel to give the middle finger to DC, while DC was being a smug prick about having a character with Marvel in the name
@Effectpanda, I like the train of thought because captain marvel was a terrible character in end game.
Now aren’t we all glad we nuked their ass?
@The nOly One, I was aiming for the face
Have you ever seen Scott pilgrim? Or that Netflix Unicorn movie? Blame the directors. U all suck.
What is this from?
Well $1.1bill worldwide liked her
@Mkb617, that movie succeeded in spite of her, not because of. If Endgame hadn't been coming out six weeks later, it would have tanked.
@Suicide Squad Sucks, I bet if they had anyone else playing Captain Marvel or if Brie Larson hadn't been so insufferable then Captain Marvel would have easily made boat loads more money
@Suicide Squad Sucks, well I am sure some of her over 6 million Instagram followers helped. I understand everyone in the meme world hates her but we aren’t that overwhelming a percentage of the population. And it was 5th or 6th marvel movie overall so it can’t be all about timing
@Mkb617, Captain Marvel was the 21st MCU movie, and the second one (besides Ant Man and Wasp) to come out after Infinity War. They could have released a movie that was just the cast sitting around doing a table read, and it still would have pulled in a decent chunk of change.
@Suicide Squad Sucks, that is absolutely true but if that were the case you’d expect it to be middle of the road not 6th Anyways who cares one way or another