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No, it's useless. Go to an ice moon with potential oceans or make that moon base in the lava tubes. This is garbage waste of time and effort.
@Dephenistrator, false, it’s the next horizon of human exploration and is the best shot besides the moon for us to set a foothold on another celestial body.
@HammerOfHerertics, not necessarily the best, venus is closer and could be habitual in a cloud city like fashion
@The forest, that is only speculation. It’s an interesting thing to imagine but very very far in the future. We have very little experience with Venus and what we know about it does not make it as good a destination as Mars. Also, it’s closer to the Sun so it’s a bigger radiation hazard than Mars.
@HammerOfHerertics, False, mars' soil poisons plants, it's so radioactive we would have to live underground in lead housing, the tectonic plates stopped moving, there's a lack of magnetic field, the "water" discovered on it mostly like isn't, and would be more salt than salt water if it even is, deadly temperature fluctuations and storms beyond comparison to earth, it's too far away to bring resources back or supply any within any useful time in an emergency, long term one of it's moons is going to eventually shatter and rain fire on the planet, scientists are worried the length of the trip will give travelers terrible doses of radiation and last but not least: bring your own air. There's nothing special there, the moon (Luna) has most the same metals earth does in close orbit and low gravity for mining, there are moons with ice geysers, potential oceans. Check those out first for god's sake.
@Dephenistrator, there is special stuff on Mars
@Dephenistrator, listen I’m one of those scientists/engineers. I’m studying failure response and maintenance strategies for a Mars missions at MIT. I understand the hazards. There are plenty. But there are plenty of technologies in the works as we speak that will allows us to extract resources including water (yes there’s actually plenty of water in the form of ice), building materials, oxygen (for breathing and for rocket fuel), methane (also for rocket fuel), etc. We do not need to live underground with sufficiently protective building equipment. Over time severa decades, we can actually build a fairly self sustaining colony (albeit with occasionally resupply from earth). Mars is hostile but it’s not impossible. The moon is just as hostile, perhaps more so except for radiation, and is also useful. I’m not arguing for Mars at the exclusion of the moon. I’m saying (and this is also NASA’s stance) that the moon is a stepping stone to get to Mars. Current architectures envision just that
@HammerOfHerertics, the moon is a stepping stone for everything else not just mars. Maybe with decades of effort and massive technological advances and implementation we can support a couple dozen people on mars before I die. That's a waste of time. By the time we can really use mars, we could use nearly any object we can land on. We haven't overcome most of mars' problems and won't within years. Other countries are eyeing the best locations on the moon like the lava tubes. We so much better off doing something within our reach or just beyond. Not something childishly beyond our reach. Can i am 30, can you honestly tell me there will be a city, not a lab, station or tiny base but a city on mars before I die? The answer is no. It won't even start construction because it won't be feasible. Mars is distant, extremely hostile, and not important. There is just hype to stand on it and flag it and Nasa is drumming this to build steam and seem important. Elon musk is ten times closer to a city
@HammerOfHerertics, mars than nasa
@TR8R, there are precious and rare metals on the moon we could mine at a fraction yhe gravity and close to earth. Mars can't compete with the importance of that
@Dephenistrator, Elon Musk doesn’t have SpaceX’s success without NASA. Trust me I love SpaceX...but their engines are NASA derived, their success is based partly on the commercial cargo program, and they’re getting NASA’s help for their Mars architecture. NASA and commercial industry are equally important for ambitious space exploration goals. As for Mars itself, you’re talking without knowing. We’re just years away from the Mars 2020 mission which will demonstrate, among other things, oxygen production on Mars. We’re building and planning for the infrastructure necessary to support, at first, go and return trips, and then long term stays. It isn’t impossible and it isn’t 100 years down the line either.
@HammerOfHerertics, yes i do know, and it isn't happening. Even if it could it's a waste compared to doing the moon first. NASA mars goals are a joke. It might not take 100, but it will be close or it will be more. We have larger facilities in the arctic right now then we will have on mars by my lifetime. Skipping stepping stones like the moon when it's right there is just for the sake of saying you did it. We won't get any better returm.for it then if we colonize the moon first and go to mars later when we have better stuff. It's outright ridiculous to go to mars first.
@Dephenistrator, who said were skipping the moon?! Have you seen the recent plans for the lunar gateway? The moon is always going to come before Mars. Look at NASA’s journey to mars documentation. It talks about the Moon as the proving ground for technologies for Mars. You clearly don’t know of the current plans as they are exactly what you’re complaining that NASA ISN’T doing.
@HammerOfHerertics, no, they have drawn out plans that they are largely pushing aside for layer because MARS!!!!! A Gateway isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about mining colonies not the gas station plans. Of course they need that with the fuel quantities they need. I honestly have no reason to believe a random hack on funny pics works with nasa, it would be cool but slim. I don't hold your opinion with that level of merit, and i also would believe nasa to push this crap if you did work on it. Mars is useless to us in this century. Mars missions are a glorified novelty. Do something real, get resources from the moon hear. Maybe in my lifetime that would be done. Resources back home from mars? Launching enough material back from mars' surface to be worth the effort? That's a joke to plan now. Maybe in a decade someone will stick a flag on the red rock and maybe/maybe not get a ride home so they don't die.
@Dephenistrator, bro I’m done talking with someone who is completely clueless. The point of lunar mining is NOT and never has been to bring resources back to Earth. It would be absurdly more expensive than getting them here. The point of lunar mining is to support missions further out into the solar system. Just like Martian mining and resources are NOT to bring back to Earth. They’re to maintain a colony there. And I never said I worked for NASA. I’m at MIT working towards a PhD in space systems engineering so I’d say it’s pretty relevant. But don’t listen to me. Read the actual technical papers and concepts that are coming out constantly.
@HammerOfHerertics, sorry "bro" but you don't seem to understand much at all in astronomy or rocketry, or anything but GO MARS!!!! So don't mind me if i don't care about your insults
@Dephenistrator, the fact you used astronomy and rocketry as the two terms to describe our discussion says enough about how much you know.
@HammerOfHerertics, sure.... whatever you say little man
@Dephenistrator, lol like Kim Jong Un
@HammerOfHerertics, i would love to see him on a rocket anywhere. Tied to the outside with no gear preferably
@Dephenistrator, I guess we can agree about that. Just leave me to the building of the rocket. Wouldn’t really trust whatever it is you come up with.
@HammerOfHerertics, would it have to fly, or would blowing up halfway suffice for this mission?
@Dephenistrator, it’d have to get to Mars. He can be our ambassador there
@HammerOfHerertics, well I'd still like to see him burst into fire
@Dephenistrator, that’s a little much
@HammerOfHerertics, so is rolling tanks over dissidents in a stadium field until you can't tell where the bodies are anymore
@HammerOfHerertics, well have a goodnight. No hard feelings.
@Dephenistrator, I was gonna make some eloquent argument, but after actually reading this train wreck of a thread I decided I don’t want any part of a debate with you :/
To be fair, wouldn't that mean there was life on Mars at on point
Probably burned more oil going there than was found.
USA: are we talking 3 drops or...
NASA: 2.5 actually
USA: PFFFFTTTTTT (rocket going to space)
Or just say there's a super weapon on it war drives advancement far better than anything else
NASA is USA... Meme is invalid.
Ha! Everyone knows that the US made the moon landing in a hollywood basement!
@ajk8934, yeah everyone! All of them! All the people! (Adjusts tin foil hat)