Show them a before and after of Venezuela
@Dephenistrator, show us*
@Duncan5769, get in line one at a time
@Dephenistrator, *all at a time
@Click To Login, *single file for hours a day, usually for daily rations
@Dephenistrator, I mean, to be fair Venezuela was facist then changed to a republic. it's actual government type is republic, its just that the communists get most of the votes
@Youtuber, they are dictator because they are communists, and it always leads down that road. It's usually one or a handful of people but they always have full control of their people.
@Youtuber, you realize that it's a republic only in name right. There may still be courts and a Congress but muduro has ultimate power.
@Dephenistrator, *multiple file
@Youtuber, Doesn't Republic just mean they don't have a monarch?
@SWAT the fireman, shoots or blackbags people out of line. Runs them over with a tank if there are alot
Remember kids better dead than red
@shmohan, *we don't
Death is a preferable option to communism
First of all, are you living in North Korea or Cuba? If so, there is no need for convincing, just report them to the proper authorities. If living in in America, just tell them free college for everyone and to vote for Bernie Sanders on the next election.
Communism is a flawed system that completely fails to account for human psychology and therefore is doomed to failure.
@I Are Lebo, communism (in a certain form) however is the only way of the future. If you think about it in terms of centuries eventually all tasks will be automated meaning there will be no new jobs, or any at all. Computers will program new computers. Machines will build machines that build machines to build goods. At this point something will have to be done. It will be essentially a utopia. However, this wont occur until humans learn to get along.
@Implicit88, I do not think you understand the core tenants of communism. There is more to the system than just equality, and those tenants are what have led literally hundreds of millions of people to their deaths, via either starvation or murder.
A hypothetical utopian society that enacts communism will likely cease to be utopian because of it.
@I Are Lebo, communism as we see today yes, that is why i said a form of communism would be necessary. This cannot be achieved until we decide we no longer need money.
@Implicit88, once we have moved to a post scarcity society, capitalism will not make sense anymore. If we manage to invent a replicator in reality, retail (and even currency) will become instantly obsolete.
But communism still will not work, because the base ideology of communism involves the complete destruction of classes within society, and that leads to catastrophe EVERY time.
In order for the system to work, we would be changing it to the point where it is no longer communism.
At that point in society we would not replace capitalism with communism. Rather we would replace it with something new.
Democratic Socialism is good.
@I Are Lebo, it's all arguable, hence the arguments.
@Jessie02, ahh yes. Use other people money to buy things for your cronies. All in he name of the “greater good” of course.
It’s never abused... oh wait that’s the opposite of reality. It’s always abused.
@big freedom, you realize the USA is already heavily democratic socialist, right?
@Jessie02, yes. Unsustainable Trillions of dollars in debt that my children will have to pay for. We are literally stealing from our future generations.
@big freedom, now your thinking of national defense.
@Jessie02, question for you. What percentage of our annual budget is spent on military? And what percent is spent on “entitlements”?
Btw. I think we spend way too much on military. We should not be fighting wars in other countries.
@big freedom, don't know the number but it's way WAY less than it would cost to pay for college education. What better way to make a brighter future than make it so everybody can go?
@Jessie02, making something “free” makes it infinitely more expensive. Look at how much college cost has increased since we started funneling billions of dollars into them.
Free market was so much better. Colleges had better, more efficient staff and students actually learned more.
You should really look into the amount we spend, and the results have gotten worse.
Then study military spending vs entitlement spending.
You have a lot to learn. Way more detailed than “we’re already democratic socialist”
@big freedom, there is nothing more restrictive and wasteful than the free market. Just imagine where we'd be if every computer company banded together to make the best possible computer? The reason that doesn't happen because the strongest incentive isn't to make the best product, it's to make the most money. Therefore instead of working together for the better of everybody we instead compete with the goal of having more than the other guys. The more fundamentals are made easily available equally for all then the less we have to compete against each other.
@Jessie02, restrictive should be destructive
@Jessie02, of course! Because when the government built the first airplane, the first car, the first railroad... oh sorry, opposite again.
Free market capitalism has raised more people out of poverty than any other system ever invented. EVER
The poorest 20% of our population has more wealth than the wealthiest people in almost every other nation.
@Jessie02, I just reread what you wrote. So... I’m your opinion, a giant monopoly on computers would be MORE innovative rather than competition driving innovation?
Have you ever taken even a basic economics class?
@big freedom, you are misinformed about colleges. One of the reasons prices went up isnt due to inflation or aid. Its due to all the loans they took out to expand. They took in the same amount of money as interest was becoming due so they started making less money. No one really talks about this but this is the one reason why there was such a big increase. We could easily make public colleges free and pay for them a set amount per student like most regular schools get. Think about it. Why should the cost of education increase if teacher pay does not?
@Jessie02, a truly free market does not produce competition. It produces monopolies. Game theory easily dictates this. Before it was legal for businesses to sell at a loss to drive competition away and then raise prices substantially.
@Implicit88, yes. We made loans to people who should not go to college. We made it very cheap to borrow ridiculous amounts of money. Flooded colleges with vast amounts of cash. It was all squandered on administration. Teachers are not paid more now but cost of education is 10x inflation. Because government got involved where it shouldn’t be and socialized it.
@Implicit88, she agrees with you. But you are incorrect. Free market economy builds more competition. And nobody is talking about zero regulation bullshît utopian free market. But the government that governs best, governs least.
@big freedom, no you aren't understanding universities took out money for themselves. This has nothing to due with the students. The loans then became due and they needed more money year after year. College should get cheaper as more people go, it shouldnt make it more expensive. Cost of public education for k-12 hasnt seen that increase because the govt is involved. The govt is not the one the made college prices increase. It was the people in charge of all the colleges.
@Implicit88, no you.
Please take a few minutes to read this.
Forbes wrote a great article about how college loans (for students) increase the cost of education.
@Implicit88, I get the feeling that you like half overheard a conversation about college loans and how they drive up costs, then somehow formulated the complete thought that colleges were taking out loans, and that’s what drove up the cost. Just my theory.
I’ve never read or heard of single credible source talking about that as any reason for the gigantic tuition hikes.
There are many supporting articles just like the one I posted above though.
@big freedom, i realize it has an effect but what i am saying is it shouldn't have. A corrupt system allowed that to happen. There is no limit of prices for public universities unlike k-12. Hence a faulty system. Note as prices went up for schools class sizes and available classes shrunk.
@Implicit88, you keep moving the goal post. College is more expensive now than it was because government got involved, removed the free market and we flooded the system with cheaply borrowed loans.
Public schools get more money than ever now and test scores are worse, class sizes are worse, teachers make less money, all because the unions and government are more involved.
Give the schools back to their communities and Eliminate the federal bureaucracy depart of education.
@big freedom, schools do get more money in total, but when adjust per student, the amount is actually less per student. That is what really matters. Totals will almost always go up due to population growth. Govt didnt remove the free market, colleges can charge whatever they want! Teachers make less money not due to unions but due to overall fundings cuts on a per student basis and because it is illegal for them to strike. Look at the recent states they striked in, they got raises. If they werent part of a union these strikes may have been impossible to achieve. Test scores are another issue, i wont get into that one. I agree the department of education needs to step back in certain areas but they also need to do things to keep college affordable. College will become a upper middle class to rich luxury if the pace of tuition increase doesn't stop or wage stagnation doesn't catch up. I guess we can agree to disagree
@Implicit88, funding per student is up. Where are you pulling your information from? Population growth is nowhere near the increase in cost of education.
And you completely missed the point. Government IS THE CAUSE of the massive tuition increase. Stop expecting them to fix it. The government is not the solution.
@big freedom, here you go its a long read but very interesting. It has sources and everything. https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/funding-down-tuition-up
@big freedom, nope not at all in favour of monopolies. What I suggested under capitalism would be terrible. What I suggested under true democratic socialism could be brilliant. It's all about motive. A money making business will always want to make more money at a lower cost. With basic needs provided for under proper socialism the incentive to make more money is gone.
@Jessie02, yes because in all countries that it’s been tried it’s ALWAYS failed.
Proper socialism eliminates incentives to innovate which has led to the greatest increase in personal wealth across the greatest number of people.
Socialism ignores the reality that people are motivated by money and depends on humans not being human.
Go study economics and come back after you get even the slightest bit of real world experience.
@Jessie02, wish we could link in here. Google search John Stossel and communism. Time for this idea to die.
Show him an example of a nation where it’s worked in the past...wait...
Show them how it worked in Russia... I mean China... I mean Cuba... I mean North Korea... I mean Venezuela... sh¡t.
Give him a mc donalds cheeseburger and some diet coke when you tell him.
Restrictive should be destructive