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I feel we put to much emphasis on what kids want, kids are dumb! Lbs as a father of 3 if I were to be like what do you want to eat kids? they would surely pick pizza and ice cream everyday being a big kid myself I know I would. The fact they like it or are comfortable is irrelevant to the fact that this diet would be detrimental to their health Our jobs as parents are to educate our children on our own personal beliefs for instance in this situation I wouldn't force my kids to not wear that but I would try to nudge them in a different direction like hey you like spider man check out this spiderman shirt I got you. Think about the reason why kids usually like this, it is cause it gives them attention "look at that boy wearing a dress" and "encouraging" people are likely to be like "ohhh wow I like that" you should teach your kids to be awesome people and be respected and respectful and get attention in that way.
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@Bugdatmug, alright so I've been reading the comments and I'm just curious. I am a transgender woman, I was born with a penis but don't identify as male anymore. Do you think that is wrong and why? And I don't mean are you uncomfortable with it I mean am I what is wrong to society, because I don't think I hurt society by the way I am, but I can also understand that I may be breaking down walls in our society that should stay up. Because from what I have seen so far in the comments almost seems to be a fear of change, which makes sense after all change is unpredictable and could easily be negative. So I am just curious to what most people here think
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@DoctorData, yes I do feel that is wrong and not in an uncomfortable sense or even so much a moral sense but just a thats not how its supposed to be kinda thing its like "hey you got your shirt on backwards" and your like "I know" if I met you I would have a bunch of annoying questions you probably get all the time and I would express that I dont agree with it but I wouldn't be rude or treat you as if you were an inferior person. As to why I think it is wrong it is because I feel our goal in life is to have a family I dont belive we are meant to walk this earth alone and in that sense everyone plays a role in a family and the male plays the part of the protector so as men we try to play the tough role sometimes you dont have to bite hard just have a big bark honestly its getting pretty crazy out there and just to avoid problems it seems the cons out weigh the pros if you dont mind me asking what do you consider the pros to be about your lifestyle? Especially given the fact that there
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@Codalicious, well why would it ever matter based on your logic? I think I agree with uncle nipple (never thought I would say that) in that when certain patterns happen globally I think that there was probably a good reason. Now don't get me wrong and say I support something like molestation which also happens globally, I mean things that aren't necessarily good or bad things, just things that help us identify each other and categorize our communities or relationships accordingly.
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@Codalicious, okay fine I'll accept that but you still didn't answer my question. I agree with you that kids should be kids but at what point do you confuse someone that even though they have a penis they aren't male or even though they have vagina they aren't a female? I understand that you can teach that sometimes there's ambiguity about how you wish you were made but shouldn't we teach pride to someone about how they were born instead of wishing they something they're not? And that's talking about the average joe who would be comfortable as their original gender
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@Finch, I'm not saying that we should teach children that they aren't a certain gender. They are born a certain gender and they should accept that. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't place as much value on acting the gender that you are assigned. I'm comfortable as a male, but I also have a lot of "female" characteristics because I don't place value on how I should act based on my genitalia. I'm saying that we should lower the value of preset ways for certain genders, but still have everyone accept the gender that they are.
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@Codalicious, you're a victim of the idea that the only difference between men and women is physical. Women and men are fundamentally different in every aspect, mental as well as physical. Brain structure is even different. Boys and girls aren't identical to each other as children. Girls have a natural inclination to be more feminine and boys to be more masculine. If children aren't allowed to give in to these natural inclinations, like with the idiotic parenting of these two train wrecks of women, the child will fail to properly develop gender/sex identity and will most likely end up with a disorder. This is why I absolutely loathe tumblr. They're the stupidest types of progressives who worship everything different or weird as "done right" and they don't have the common sense to realized that Angelina Jolie and Gwen Stefani are not phucking role models, and that they way they parent is probably a good idea of what NOT to do.
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@WilfredMott, You're right. Men and women are extremely different. They have different perceptions, different ways of understanding, different ways of communicating, etc. What I'm saying is that we should lower the value that we place on certain gender assessments. There's nothing intrinsically female about a dress or the color pink. There's nothing intrinsically male about short hair or the color blue. These are societally placed there. I'm saying that trying to treat them the same as possible while capitalizing on the characteristics that make them different is the way to improve society and lessen the inequality between them.
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@Codalicious, no. Separating those things doesn't make women any less equal. It's a way to celebrate gender differences. Girl naturally enjoy clothes more than men. Women are (usually) the ones designing these clothes FOR women. These aren't just arbitrary distinctions, they're manifestations in culture of sexual differences
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@WilfredMott, but what about brain differences of people that feel ambiguous? I think that their confusion comes in somewhere and nobody here can honestly say that there aren't brain differences in men that feel like women and women that feel like men that aren't the same sorts of differences you would find in their opposite gender counterparts
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@Finch, more often than not, those differences aren't innate, but a result of development. An abusive father who instilled hatred of masculinity. Growing up with a single mother who only allowed women to care for you. Growing up with a chauvinistic father who only allowed men to be with you. It's usually nurture rather than nature
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@Codalicious, haha I think you guys are arguing the same side, both of you agree to letting boys be boys and girls be girls but WilfredMott thinks that it's a "nature" process that's being disrupted by nurture and you think it's a nurture process that is it's corrupt I think I like to just watch and see where the argument goes
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@Codalicious, gender identity is a sign of civilization! It's a construct unique to civilized cultures. To do away with them is a step backwards. Gender is how to place value on femininity or masculinity beyond sex. Genders are how a society is able to celebrate and place value on men or women based on something other than their genitals. Based on the emotional and personally differences. Gender is what separates us from animals.
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@WilfredMott, you seem to forget that the majority of the famous designers (for Pradda, Gucci, etc) are actually men.... Also like coda said pink, blue, dresses, short hair, they're all given "genders" by society but in all reality they're just colors and styles... They're objects and should have no relation to any gender... Also who's to say these kids and others like them were forced to dress like this? I have seen PLENTY of children who chose objects that were more widely accepted as something the opposite gender should want and the parents denied them of that want because "that's too girly! Don't you want this truck?" Or "that's for boys! Wouldn't this feathered pink boa be better?".... The true good parents are the ones who allow their kids to pick what they want even if they think it's weird or against social norms... I mean even I defy social norms... I'm a gay man (which we all know is not widely accepted) who hates football(the American kind), gets confused when he looks at
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@WilfredMott, wow didn't realize I typed that much... Anyway I get confused when I look at cars, I prefer to cook, I love my belts and messenger caps and scarves, I can't survive if I'm not wearing at least 1 piece of jewelry.... Society should look at me an see a woman according to you but anybody who meets me is shocked to find out that I'm gay.... My coworkers still think I'm straight and I'm just out of my second week of working with them... I defy social norms as well as your logic
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@TheHaxAreReal, have you not seen the pictures on here of dads taking their little boy to a store and the boy asking for a tiara? Or a picture that was circulating Facebook for a while a couple of years ago about a 7 year old boy in a straight family who came out and was proud? Children understand a lot more than we give them credit for and know what they want
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@Gay Ninja, so? Social patterns and norms don't have to happen every time. It's a pervasive pattern. You're a gay man! You're the exception to a lot of general patterns. You don't have sex with women? I guess that must mean men aren't generally inclined to be attracted to women. You blew my theory out of the water.
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@WilfredMott, so if patterns are bound to have variances why do you assume that these children don't fall into those variances? They are obviously enjoying how they look so why is everybody assuming they were forced to do so? Who's to say Gwen stefani's son isn't a flaming homo? Or Angelina Jolie's daughter isn't a raging butch? You are the kind of parent who admits that there are people who are different but won't buy into the idea that your own children might be different
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@Gay Ninja, who wants their child to be the exception? I doubt your parents thought "I hope he's gay. I really hope he's gay." At best they said "alright he's gay. Big deal" and I never said that those variances aren't bad. It's generally more healthy to be normal. If that boy or that girl is already a homosexual before they can even have a sexual identity that's because of flawed development caused by their bad parenting.
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@WilfredMott, I want my children to be different! A lot of people want their children to be different! I hate the "normal" uber jocks who date the "normal" super busty, overly pretty, girls who participate in just about every after school group! Everybody hates them! That is supposed to be the "normal" but nobody can live up to that!! If anything the people who ARE like that are the MOST out of place! There is no such thing as true normality when it comes to personality!
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@Uncle Nipple, but if everybody follows every social norm there is very little wiggle room.... There are a ton of norms in just about every possible event... Sure you could be unique with a pretty ring or an unbuttoned button up as opposed to half buttoned or something but stuff that is looked at as weird such as bands like Black Veiled Brides, or movies like the Labyrinth wouldn't be able to exist because they don't follow the norms of society...
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@Gay Ninja, again, just pointing that out. I don't think everything SHOULD be followed. Also, I think our definitions of "social norms" are different. What I mean (and pardon me for any ambiguity) by "social norm" is doing what is traditionally done in your public actions (ie not cross-dressing, getting a job, creating a family of husband and wife plus kids, etc.). A personality can be entirely unique (as in watching obscure movies and listening to unpopular music and whatnot) while still doing normal things according to one's relative age and gender.
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I will get down voted for this but I don't care...here goes. Those poor confused children, it is the parents job to facilitate proper gender assessment. What happens when these children hit puberty...gender confusion...that's what. There is a difference between letting a boy play with dolls and letting him dress like a girl...where do we draw the line of what is acceptable for a child to do because he is a child? Thank you.
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@Joshee1990, they aren't confused. You're assuming that just because they're young they don't know how they feel. Children are probably the most honest and best at perceiving things adults don't. If my son decides he wants to wear something like that, who am I do deny what he likes? Ill tell you who: the type of parent that kids grow up despising. You act like being a little confused is going to ruin they're life, but everyone goes through confusing things at puberty. And its not a choice, if they feel like they're one way or another, then that happened way before puberty. It is NOT the parents place to force gender steryotypes unless ywoi want your kids to hate you for trying to make them something they're not. A parents job is to love unconditionally. End rant.
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@meowarina, woah I mean as a kid my parents didn't let me dress up as a girl but I don't despise them, I think personal experiences may be clouding that comment. I think that yeah parents should let their kids have some freedom but isn't it also a parents job to help their child not let them stay confused? And please forgive me if I made a rash statement about personal experiences I only meant to make an observation that your comment seemed slightly outrageous.
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@meowarina, kids may be honest, but that's one trait. You can practically program children. They are blank slates, they learn by what's around them. Children are not perfect beings. If all children's thoughts and ideas were perfect, they would practically be a "hive mind". Little kids fight each other over differences.
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@meowarina, whether they're confused or not it is the parents job to at least explain to them why wearing that could be controversial and not encourage them to wear skirts. I have worked with children quite a lot and every little boy or girl I've seen has dressed accordingly because that is what their peers expect of them. Children of famous people often have unusual childhoods and because these children's parents have let them dress
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@TheHaxAreReal, if we all did what are peers expected of us, where would we all be? Im not going to do something just because its expected of me, and I dont expect my kids to. Neither I nor them have to answer to anyone for how we live our lives. Likewise, people that do teach their kids this dont have to answer for how they live their lives either.
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@TheHaxAreReal, also, going off of what you were saying about their peers, they'll only get made fun of if their own parents taught that it was bad. I read a nice story about a mom who let her boy wear high heels to a birthday party, and the parents were all appalled but the kids wear telling him they liked his shoes and didnt alienate him at all. Its all how kids are raised, and sometimes, its just how kids decide to be.
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@Halo2552, but your blank slate theory works both ways.... Kids can be taught to be accepting of weirdness too... They only fight over differences if they see their parents disgracing people who are different... I always hated to see my mom make fun of people on TV who were weird because she had taught me early on that weird was ok....
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@Halo2552, you shouldn't draw the line... There's nothing wrong with a guy dressing like a girl or vice versa.... And people are saying that different sexualities are being discriminated because discrimination has nothing to do with race....Discrimination is action that denies social participation or human rights to categories of people based on prejudice.... That is copy pasted from Wikipedia...
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@Halo2552, to coincide with what gay ninja was saying, I am a transgender man (female to male) and growing up, I had a very difficult time with depression and suicidal thoughts because of how unaccepting my family was of my decision to express my gender identity. This has been the case my entire life, my memories of these experiences going back to when I was 3 years old. I had an awful time being forced to act and dress like a girl, and to see parents accepting of how their children feel is amazing to me. I know how it feels to be discriminated, especially by one's own family, who has since disowned me. How I felt was nature, not nurture. What people fail to understand is how traumatizing it truly is for a child who identifies as the opposite sex when the family isn't on their side.
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I wouldn't view this as making them conform to a certain gender, but allowing them to dress how they want. My parents constantly criticized me for how I chose to dress as a child and now as an (almost) adult, I'm constantly terrified of what people think of me based upon my appearance. It's not about one thing being right or wrong, it's teaching kids to accept what is inside because what's on the outside hardly matters
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@Raven1313, Hey Raven how've ya been? Look I noticed you stopped doing the date stamps is everything alright, do you have something else going on? Do you need someone to talk to? As someone I consider my friend I figure I ought to make sure you're ok. I hope I'm not the first to ask and if you don't feel like responding have good life and I wish you luck in all future indevurs.
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Gender has more to do with the physiological structure of the brain than it does genitalia. Sometimes a "boy" is born with a "girl's" brain structure and vice versa. Despite social pressure and any evidence suggesting they are one gender, they will ALWAYS see themselves as the gender their brain is structured to be. Dressing a kid up might confuse them as far as the way they should dress and behave but it ultimately shouldn't change their sexual or gender orientation. That sort of thing is probably determined the moment you're born. I have studied genetics and now study neurology, my "expert"-student opinion is people are born the way they are and you should either accept them for the beauty they are or leave them the fvck alone and look at yourself in the mirror.
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@Never Trust A Gnome, you can't be born with a certain set of genitalia, and a brain of the opposite gender. If you have and XY chromosome pair, you get a d!ck. This also makes It is impossible to develop a female brain. And vice versa. You can only be "more" feminine. Children also learn most all behaviors at a young age. I'm a white guy who is sexually attracted to Asians. I wasn't born this way. It happened because I happened to be around a lot of Asians during "sexual imprinting" which is a phase all people go through.
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I honestly dont care if others think what im about to say is negative, but i dont agree with raising kids like this. Seriously u cant tell what gender these kids are. Im a Christian and i dont agree with living gay but i tolerate it, meaning i dont believe its right and i wont raise my kids to think it is but i tolerate gay people and most gay rights and i have a few gay/bi friends. My main point is this picture shows parenting done wrong if this is true information. Not sorry about the long post but just wanted to speak my mind.
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So, as an actual trans person, I feel the need to say this. If your kids want to dress like that, let them. If they don't, don't make them. Dressing as the "opposite" gender as a child will not turn you trans or gay. Trans And gay people are born as they are, And nothing anybody says or does will ever change them.
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I dont know why but I though this community was more open minded to this kind of stuff .. I was wrong -_-... I don't know what I was expecting. .it's the Internet. . I am a proud trans gender woman.. I knew from a really young age.. you won't understand until you live it.. but If everyone had follow the rule of "society" things would have never change.. where woman wouldn't have rights, black people would still be slaved and I wouldn't be able to be free. Those who have stand up against society standard have change history.... sorry for the long post.. I'll be leaving now
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I hate these pictures on here, but it isn't because I disagree with the picture. My personal view is that this is great parenting. I hate this picture because I makes me dislike many people in this community. I always have this thought that we're all progressive and accepting types, but the comment section shows many aren't. To those who are, good on you.
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Why is this parenting 'done right'? Your kid doesn't have to dress like the opposite gender for you to be a good parent. They just wear what they want, may it be pink and frilly or blue and plaid, THATS what makes you a good parent. I don't think it's fair that people get extra credit just for dressing their kid in clothes that are meant for opposite gender*. Like, its not fair. A little girl wants to wear pink and frills and that's bad because its gender stereotypes? What the hell?! *just to make this clear, I DO NOT think that it is wrong to put kids in clothes of the opposite gender, I'm just saying that it's more to do with what they want.
I'm 100% fine with stuff like this but don't get mad at me if I mistake the gender of the person.