Off topic but why are some American parents not vaccinating their kids against measles? In the UK it's a no brainer... like not crossing the road when a car is coming
@Unkle77, some think vaccines are dangerous because of some false study that relate autism with the shots, others have religious reason not too get the shots
@TheRunaways, "I have 1 million results that say they don't cause autism, and one result that says they do." "I knew it!"
@Unkle77, because the U.S. Has a bad educational system.
@BearDaniels, unfortunately this is mostly true.
@Unkle77, because parents who don't vaccinate their kids aren't arrested. They should be, it basically kills a lot of them
@HermitCrabWhisperer, a recanted study the author realized the test had bad data and pulled the paper
@HermitCrabWhisperer, "Just because I have it DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TRUE!"
@TheRunaways, and it will also make their child sick, to train the cells to defend against it, and some people think it doesn't have any effect besides the sickness, those people are idiots, welcome to america.
@angrydwarf, Well, on the news yesterday I was watching a piece about a law Congress was passing that would not force people to get vaccinations.
For a lot of people (myself included), it's not about the vaccine. I love vaccines (or rather the "idea" of it, nobody likes needles), however it's the idea that the government could FORCE YOU TO GET ONE. That's where the problem is.
While I think most everyone should be vaccinated, I think forcing people to do it is a slippery slope. After all, if the government can force you to get a meaningless shot, then what else do they feel inclined to make people do?
All in all, though, not vaccinating your kid is stupid.
@PoliticsSniper, well my mom never got me vaccinated for the flu, and its worked so far
@PoliticsSniper, but for more serious stuff I agree with you
@Unkle77, happy to report that I've never had a vaccination in my life & am still alive, plus I almost never get sick. I don't think there's any kind of conclusive evudence linking them to autism, but I do think the cons outweigh the pros. Infants & kids often have really bad reactions to them, there is risk of mercury poisoning, & a lot of them protect against eradicated diseases or ones I will never be exposed to. I also object to being forced to be immunized, as though I'm not capable of taking care of myself.
@TheRunaways, I don't do it because I am allergic to some chemicals contained within the vaccines
@TheLazyOne, you getting a vaccine isn't for you. Not getting vaccines builds stronger immune systems. This is because you're still alive, meaning your immune system annihilated any disease you've encountered so far. 2 problems with this. There's still a chance your immune system doesn't have any antibody for a future potential virus, meaning you will die if you get that virus. Second most people have weaker immune systems. When you get sick, you become contagious and although you might get better soon, the people you pass it on to can potentially die. The point of vaccines is that if 99% of people get them, when the disease initially appears and tries to spread, it's immediately stopped and eradicated before it even reaches the 1% unvaccinated. It's there to eliminate disease, not for you to not get sick. Even if people died from the vaccine, which they don't, acceptable losses can be anywhere from 50% below the mortality rate of the disease itself to even 10% less than the disease.
@PoliticsSniper, this idea that the government is forcing you demonstrates a preference for oversimplified thought - a false thought that your individual rights are somehow being violated. Somehow your freedom of choice is more important than public safety. Using this reasoning, you should ignore red lights and stop signs - clearly the government is taking away your personal right to choose. Please proceed, and endanger both yourself and all the innocent drivers who had no input into your choice. Because personal choice is always the paramount priority. Please yell fire in a crowded theater, and protest at the funerals of fallen soldiers. Because the rest of society is trivial.
@BunnyGruff, this means if there's a highly contagious and debilitating disease that kills 60% of everyone, then a vaccine for this disease, if it killed 10% of the people who took it, would still be the better option. If 100% of the population takes the vaccine, then 90% live. Those are good odds, better than only 40% of everyone surviving. Also to the person who didn't think government shouldn't force us to get vaccines because that would be crossing a line, I would like to know how far you draw your line. Gov't forces us through TSA, which is probably the most incompetent agency in America to save (if they worked) potentially a couple thousand people. Not getting vaccines could cause a deadly mutation in a curable, but yet to be eradicated virus that could kill tens of millions of us. Viruses are worse than the worst people because they have no conscience. They'll kill babies indiscriminately. And all you have to do to stop them is get a single vaccine. Not getting one is worse!
@abecedarian, yes exactly my point. Stop being selfish. Vaccines are there so some poor kid with a weakened immune system from like cancer doesn't die from your sneeze. Even if vaccines killed you I would gladly risk my life to make sure hundreds of thousands of people don't die from something that's curable. Once you start thinking of only yourself, that's the day we fail as a species. Also I don't like the fact that my little cousin who goes to a school near one of the infected ones could get sick because some guy decided to be an asșhole and not vaccinate his kid
@Unkle77, because they don't want to lose their dank memes and fedoras.
@TheLazyOne, they stopped using mercury a while ago.
@PoliticsSniper, I agree with you that the government forcing kids to be vaccinated is not a good solution. I think a good alternative would be schools requiring students to be vaccinated. Since schools are one of the places where diseases are spread between kids, it would make sense for them to require vaccinations.
@PoliticsSniper, In my opinion there are to many stupid idiots who don't, there are reasons why laws are made they are supposed to protect us even from our selfs
@HermitCrabWhisperer, College Humor, if Google was a person?
@PoliticsSniper, the reason they force people to get vaccinated is because if you don't you're not only endangering yourself, but also other people who could be exposed to the disease
@CriTiKa1, no. Not vaccinating your kids is child endangerment, and if you don't do it, you should be either arrested, or killed. (Killed is harsh, but if you are that stupid, may as well clean the gene pool)
@TheLazyOne, people can you not hate? I was a personal deision and like I said I'm fine... if I was ever to leave the states and go to an area where I would be exposed I would of coursebe immunized. When I was a small child at the age to be immunized, mercury was still being used. I was just puttibg it out there that so far I've been perfectly healthy regardless, that's really all.
@TheLazyOne, I've seen this topic appear many times I here and it's always a fire starter. Google herd immunity.
@Unkle77, I think some reasons are also cost. Yes most insurances cover it or part. But thanks to "affordable" healthcare which isn't some families simply can't afford the co-pays for the shots. Money was tight for us to but we managed with our son :)
@HermitCrabWhisperer, "JUST BECAUSE I HAVE IT DOESNT MAKE IT TRUE!"
@TheLazyOne, what we said completely flew over your head didn't it. You get vaccinated not because you wanna stay healthy. You do it so you don't make someone else sick. But all you can think about is your self. If some poor cancer kid gets your disease, you might recover, sure, but that kid might die. Why? Because you didn't want to take a simple shot.
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