I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the united states of America. And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
@Disgruntled Sock, Amen.
@ajk8934, you’re goddamn right
@Disgruntled Sock, *i pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of america, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all
@Captain Anderson, glad I’m not the only one that disliked the “under god” part lol
@Disgruntled Sock, im trying to use the bathroom, quit making me stand up and put my hand on my chest
@Dexios S Divine, it was added during the cold war to separate us from the "godless Soviets"
@Disgruntled Sock, *Metallica’s “Don’t Tread On Me” plays in the background*
@Pope Temporal, yeah I know, I would’ve been bothered by it if I was under some religion other than christian. The fact christians think their religion is a priority over others in most things bothers me
@Dexios S Divine, I’m gonna get downvoted to hell for this... but isn’t it ironic that you’re bothered by the fact that Christians think they’re above everyone else, when Americans think the same about themselves being american?
@Theuns, Never said americans were not guilty of that? Hell, americans aren’t the only ones guilty of that. Love when people pull something outta no where as an argument, sheesh
@Dexios S Divine, no, but you’re saying you don’t like the chant cause of 2 words relating to a group of people thinking themselves better than everyone else, when literally the entire thing represents exactly that.
@Theuns, Its not about being better than others, the hell. I stopped doing the pledge a long time ago but I know that much. What words are you reading that you translate it to that?
@Disgruntled Sock, then the state pledge or was that just TX. Since we were the only state that was it’s own country before joining. “Honor the Texas flag, I Pledge of Allegiance to thee, Texas, One state under God, One and indivisible.”
@Dexios S Divine, I didn’t say the words themselves show it, I said it’s a representation of it. Just looking at the comments on here over the years, between the chants of USA USA USA, or the talk about ‘freedom’. Or talk of being back to back world war champions as if they did it all themselves... Hell i’ve seen/heard countless people just outright say America is the greatest planet on earth etc etc. My point is the fact that you recite the allegiance everyday is symbolic of the patriotism and belief of how great America is, not the words themselves. If you don’t believe Americans have a superiority complex either you’re naive or hurrying head in the sand. That’s my basis of believe Americans think themselves best... what’s your basis of believing Christians think they are the best?
@Theuns, I haven’t done the pledge in years. Nice assumption. Christians flip shït over anything if their religion gets so much as poked. Gay cake maker incedent, star bucks christmas cups, the whole “war on christmas” and them not liking having to say happy holidays instead of merry christmas. Dumb petty shït like that. Either way, point is christians love inserting their shït in everything, why I dropped the religion, religion in general, religious people love shoving their views onto everyone. An annoying quality to americans as well. But of course thats not everyone, for both groups.
@Russian Spetsnaz, I know in MD we don't pledge to the state. Wouldn't surprise me if it was just Texas.
@Dexios S Divine, My bad, based of your original comment I thought we’re making assumptions on an entire group of people based on the actions of some people within the group. So whether you yourself do it or not isn’t the point (literally never said you did) we’re talking about groups as a whole.
@Theuns, plenty of yous and you’res in that comment, but, k. Enough christians do it that its a problem, same for americans with their patriot hard ons
@Disgruntled Sock, actually, correctly written it goes, "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
When we learn it it's usually taught to us piecemeal and most of us never actually read it to know that you shouldn't pause so much because there are only 5 commas, not like, 7.
The comma after "America", the capital N, and the words "under God" were all added in 1954.
@Doctor Yak, yeah, we never read it so I just added commas in the places where we paused when saying it. Never knew that though.
When I lived in Texas they had us do the American pledge and then immediately after we'd do the Texas pledge, I was so confused when we moved to Arizona and we didn't do the Arizona pledge because apparently the other states don't pledge allegiance to their state
@D4rkhum0r , wait, Texas was the only one? Holy shít
@MrWonka, Well I mean Texas used to be its own country
@D4rkhum0r , Texas pride is the stuff of legends.
@faptcha, your damn right we are so proud we pledge to our state. To some people, they have two loyalties, Texas and the United States
@Russian Spetsnaz, in that order too!
That sounds like some North Korea type shít right there
What you actually do this?!
@cubone dude, I thought it was a joke about America until a few years ago too
@cubone dude, technically its optional, but yes.
@cubone dude, optional to the point where some teachers will send you to the principles if you don’t
@cubone dude, yes, it's another indoctrination method the United States performs. Schools force kids to salute the flag and say the pledge of allegiance before school, every day. I'm not certain why, say it enough and maybe they start to believe it I guess.
@The Omega Username, they should not be forcing kids to do that, it’s wrong
@benderama, I know, our country is in the top ten least shjtty on Earth but the government still does a lot of weird and incredibly shady things.
@Swolekage, All the schools I’ve gone to never usually gave a shjt. Like it only happens sometimes and even then not that many people actually do full on pledge stuff, most of us just stood while the announcer guy said it. Some people just kept doing their work instead. No detentions either.
@TheRatMan, In my experience it was only at public schools on military bases while in elementary. Never had to do it in the fourth or fifth grade after my father had gotten out of the military.
In Thailand it happens before a movie at the cinema and every afternoon at a certain time they play the anthem over speakers throughout some parts of some cities and everything stops during that time.
@Hamilton Porter, u dont by chance go to liberty university do u?
@Khjunky, no, why?
If you’re reading this comment. Don’t.
@Your Darkest Secret, Fvck..
It seriously just becomes rote memorization and affects no one. Seeing the current state of unrest is a quick testament to the ineffectiveness of saying the pledge.
@Sluggernot, I’m gonna go ahead and disagree with you on that one.
Kids may not understand what they’re saying, but the buzzwords in there and the overall tone of The Pledge fosters thoughtless nationalism on a large scale.
The Pledge is why Donald Trump is the president...
@EatMyAss, you just made a gross overstatement with no factual backing and stated a ridiculous idea as fact. Believing your own made up garbage is why Trump is president.
Those of that actually respect the flag didn't mind doing it in school.
@Khjunky, I respect the flag, but this is worshipping it daily.
@Khjunky, the flag is a piece of cloth
@Dexios S Divine, so is money. But it represents a lot more.
@Khjunky, americans are the meaning, I’m not gonna pledge to an item
@Dexios S Divine, your credit card is just a piece of plastic
@BeeJaaBee, which buys things. Whats the flag do for me? I thank troops for their service when I see them. I never liked the whole forcing me to pledge, weird ass indoctrination.
@Dexios S Divine, the pledge is odd yeah
But that isn't a thing here in Australia
But to many disrecpecting the flag is disrecpecting the country and its people
@BeeJaaBee, I just never liked things representing people. I like people representing people.
@Dexios S Divine, that is fair,
It's like a cult.
I remember, once in middle school some Muslim kid said that it was against his religion to pledge his allegiance to the flag, and the teacher tried to get him suspended. That was a weird year
Meanwhile they won’t even sing the national anthem anymore in Canada due to possibly offending some Irish Palestinian Martian Jew who might also be a member of the LGBTQ Alt right community.
The pledge of allegiance is just that, your PLEDGE to the SYMBOL of the freedoms you enjoy and the country that affords them to you. The flag represents our nation as a whole. If you don’t respect it, then bounce. It is not cult affirmation. It is a daily reminder that freedoms are definitely not free. Trump is president because these yards that figure out which bathroom to eat their tide pods in are trying to strip the common citizen of their freedoms. Socialism and communism are humanity killers. #wakeup
I stopped reciting the pledge each morning in 10th grade because I realized that it basically held no real worth it meaning anymore. Think at the time, Texas was threatening to secede, the nation was effectively divided because Obama was elected president, and the system was so corrupted that there was no liberty nor justice for anyone.
All the other countries are just jealous they haven't been to the moon.
*roars in american*
Yes because the most free and prosperous nation in history is definitely worse than a dictatorship that kills political dissidents because we think it's important to remind people of the ideals that formed our nation.
@Kliment Voroshilov, I'm sorry, but "the most free?" That's what Americans like to tell themselves, and yes you're free compared to smaller nations, but you're certainly not the most free.
@Duncan5769, what examples do you have to support this suppostition?
@Kliment Voroshilov, according to this site
The USA is number 12 in economic freedom, right behind Canada. So it's not even the most free country in North America.
@Kliment Voroshilov, Most western European nations?
@Kliment Voroshilov, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_freedom sorry it only copied the last part of the URL
@Duncan5769, Interesting tact. Not what I was expecting. I would grant you that financial/business regulations have gotten out of hand. I would be perfectly happy for them to be basically non-existent, but I hardly think that shows the whole picture.
I cant find a good explanation of the metrics used for that survey so just a quick list of my usuall quibbles.
In all of the countries ahead of the US freedom of speech does not exist as a protected right.
You do not have the ultimate say over your own or your families healthcare.
In many of those places the right to self defense is dubious at best.
@LivingAngryCheese, You mean the ones where people can be jailed for saying things others find offensive? Or the ones where the government has the ultimate say over your life or death care?
Or the ones where you dont have a right to self defense?
@Kliment Voroshilov, I will agree with you that America's right to free speech is probably one of the best out there (even if you do have stupid SJWs trying to fight against that) Here in Canada it's illegal to talk poorly about Islam, and that was the moment Canada couldn't even compare there's to the USAs. And yeah, I won't touch the freedom to defend yourself because that's a controversial topic here, that I honestly don't have an opinion on. But there are other freedoms you lack, like the right to healthcare. The USA is the only first world nation to not provide their citizens with free healthcare. And the United States right to education isnt the best either.
@Duncan5769, Ok, we have come to a first principles argument, I like these.
Healthcare and education (beyond K-12) are not a right. They are a commodity provided by skilled people who deserve to be compensated for their skills.
@Duncan5769, Oh and I dont think the right to self defense is nessecarily controversial it is the right to a firearm for self defense.
The self defense argument is as simple as if someone attacks you do you have a right to defend yourself? I think the answer should pretty obviously be yes.
@Kliment Voroshilov, Ain't the most free or the most prosperous- http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/HDI & https://rsf.org/en/ranking
@Der Kruz, First link is the UN Human Development Indexes with US 10th overall and second is the Free Press rating where the US is 45th.
@Der Kruz, The UN, you mean that place that is filled with dictators and warlords who commit atrocities against their own people while simultaneously condemning Israel, the US and their allies? Pardon me if I dont place much merit in their rankings.
And the free press ranking is equally meaningless as all of the reasons for the ranking center around the current president. In spite of the fact that his administration had been more open and communicative than the previous one despite his mostly meaningless Twitter account.
@Kliment Voroshilov, That's some hardcore cognitive dissonance you got there - 'I refuse to accept the rankings of press freedom due to the fact that I am smart enough to understand that press freedom is being impeded by the current president, but because it is due to the current president who changes what they say repeatedly but says a lot it must be open communication and thus good so the ranking is bad'. That's what you just said.
@Der Kruz, First that's not what I said. I did word it poorly however so let me rephrase.
The current administration is more open and communicative than the previous one.
His Twitter has attacks on the press. They however do not translate to actual policy. Making them essentially meaningless.
@Kliment Voroshilov, Better definitely but still ill-conceived. The US ranking in 2016 was only 4 ranks higher at 41. You should actually visit the site and see that the issue of press freedom is the treatment of journalists and journalism, not specific law and policy. You can't just discard it because you don't like it.
@Der Kruz, I did visit the site and I read the section about the ranking for the US which mentioned almost exclusively things that the president has said that were never acted upon.
I dont think saying that journalists do a bad job is an attack on press freedom especially when 60 something percent of coverage is about personal scandals rather than policy being pursued by the administration.
@Kliment Voroshilov, Rank 46 in 2014 too - https://rsf.org/en/ranking/2014 I hope you can see why claiming it has to do with 1 person is such a terrible presumption.Trump is not the issue, Press Freedom is.
@Der Kruz, I'm sorry that I take their stated reasoning on the site as the reason for the rankings.
@Kliment Voroshilov, The fault isn't in the site, it's your cherry-picking points and ignoring others. It does say Trump is impacting cureent rankings yes, but it also says this - "It appears the Trump effect has only amplified the disappointing press freedom climate that predated his presidency. Whistleblowers face prosecution under the Espionage Act if they leak information of public interest to the press, while there is still no federal “shield law” guaranteeing reporters’ right to protect their sources. Journalists and their devices continue to be searched at the US border, while some foreign journalists are still denied entry into the US after covering sensitive topics like Colombia’s FARC or Kurdistan. " So again, blaming one person is cognitive dissonance which is protecting the view that America has been #1, even though the decline is marked in the past, which I then helped you see from another part of the site.
@Kliment Voroshilov, Ultimately I'm just trying to help you see things more clearly and reasltically. Can't make improvements if ya don't see the issues.
@Duncan5769, you right. am American. Can confirm.
@Kliment Voroshilov, Firstly, yes, Count Dankula being jailed in the UK was ridiculous, I live here and I strongly opposed it, and yes even though it wasn't a prison sentence, a fine is still ridiculous, but I should add that the case is still not over. He's going to overturn it, and he's going to succeed. However, contrary to popular belief, we're actually far, far less polarised here than the USA, and that was actually American SJW rhetoric leaking into our country. So that point is essentially a one off occurrence that will soon be a null point.
@Kliment Voroshilov, Government say over life and death? Don't be ridiculous, the government isn't allowed to just walk in and say whether you get treated or not. You have a serious problem? You're going to get treated. And if you really don't trust the NHS, we have private healthcare. That's a common misconception that we don't, I went to private healthcare for my coeliac disease. I'd say the government trying to ensure everyone's survival rather than the poor just fvcking die is a sign of freedom, not a lack of it. Freedom to survive without being forced to work in their system. To quote Jonathan Pie: when you're ill you should be asking "can I survive?" rather than "can I afford to survive?". A word of advice, don't insult our healthcare, it's the one thing you could say is a symbol of national pride.
@Kliment Voroshilov, We have the right to self defence, we just don't have guns. Mass shootings aren't just an edgy thing to joke about, they're a legitimate huge problem because your country allows guns. Basically nobody dies from gun crime in countries where guns are banned. I'd far rather the right not to get fvcking shot than the right to have a gun.
@LivingAngryCheese, Couple of things.
1. Count dunkula is not in any way the only case of this happening and I was not referring specifically to the UK in any of these instances.
2. I think when the government can decide to not provide care that may not be life saving but if nothing else would help extend our understanding of the conditions and their treatment (read: Charlie guard and alfie Evan's) I think that is say in life or death. Again this is not unique to the UK there are a large number of people who come to the US for cancer treatment that they have either been denied or wont survive to see.
3. Yes and no on this point. I believe the wording of the law in the UK specifically is "with reasonable force" meaning that if you attempt to defend yourself in a way that the courts deem to violent you will be jailed.
Mass shootings despite popular belief represent a tiny amount of actual gun crime or deaths. If you look at gun deaths in the US 60% are suicides. The rate of suicide is high but by no means the highest in the developed world. The next largest portion are drug and gang related violence that stem from the flow of drugs into the states. For example if you removed the four cities with the largest murder rates (mostly due to gang violence) the number of gun deaths drops so far that the US is ranked 28th world wide by gun deaths.
In summary its delusional to think that you are likely to be shot and killed. You are 5 times more likely to die in a stabbing, 8 times more likely to die in a car crash and 10 times more likely to be killed by hands or feet.
@Kliment Voroshilov, I'm not knowledgeable enough about the first 2 points you made to make a reasonable comment, but for 3, yes, it means stuff like you can't kill someone for pushing you. It's quite reasonable. The amount of gun deaths that are from suicide is completely irrelevant, those people likely would've committed suicide another way anyway so it doesn't show my point either. Drug and gang violence is also made worse by guns, and removing those 4 cities is ridiculous, those 4 cities are the problem. And just because it's less likely than other things will happen doesn't mean that the number of deaths isn't huge. I don't see what the benefit of owning a gun even is, but when literal primary schools are shot up and there's no change it's clear there won't be one.
We stopped doing this in high school, not sure about other ones
Damb right we are objectivly . The best most free, the most powerful nation out there.
In canada we do it at the canada day assembly and thats it
Search fassbenderdrama to read the argument about this
I guess we sang the national anthem once a week