Listen regardless of our political leanings, i think we all know theres no way to just waltz into the United States Capitol while in session on a day that everyone knew would be turmoil.
Somethin sketchy here folks, did capitol police AND DC metro police AND the Secret Service AND the national guard really drop the ball that bad?
@Medic135, apparently, they did. Reported that there was a report that the fbi slept on that showed the large amount of people coming to the capital and the potential for violence. It was more or less like how intel reports before 9/11 were basically ignored
@that1german, the FBI wasn't really part of this
@Medic135, in regard to letting people in the capital or not being part of the sketchiness?
@that1german, good point. In regard to the actual capitol event, i suppose i can't comment on who was and was not involved in all sketchiness
@Medic135, it seems to me like there were quite a few individuals within the ranks of those groups that agreed with the rioters enough to shirk their duty to step aside. Sort of a half measure where they don’t join but would if they could.
I can believe that the failure on the part of the national guard or secret service were due to being kept out of the loop, but the failure on the part of the metro and capitol police seems to me to be complicity rather than complacency.
@Medic135, The FBI had intel reports they held and didn't pass on right away.
@Medic135, they couldn't win. If they used force to prevent entry, they would be hanged by the media. They did the right thing. Less people got hurt and the rioters are now the villains.
@Medic135, the really interesting thing that makes me think it was kind of a set-up was the fact that the police were denied reinforcements like 5 separate times that day. Like why would they deny something like that? when sure Trump supporters aren't really known for rioting and destroying things but it definitely wasn't out of the question. Just gives my conspiratorial side a nudge and this whole event gave the political elite a good reason to finally ban a ton of conservatives and moderates they didn't like without much pushback. They were even able to kill a part of their competition flat out by getting Parlor taken down.
@owanobi, yeah i feel the same way, i mean i wasnt a huge trump fan myself towards the end so much so that i voted third party. But it is still very concerning how this one event happens, sketchy at that, and now theyve gotten to ban him and many like him from every platform and act like they never existed.
Sleep with one eye open man, there is definitely a growing fascist attitude in America
@Hallucinated corpse, You think the media would have been mad if the cops used more force on the rioters? Remember, these were right wing rioters. In the mainstream media's eyes, the cops have the right to shoot on sight, anything less is unacceptable. They were basically celebrating when one "insurrectionist" got shot and killed.
@Medic135, the fact that one cop died but there were still so little retaliation is what's most odd to me. There are tons of incidents when they believed that they might get hurt and put 20 rounds in a guy, why?
@MrLogg, good point. And i don't know, did they ever say what the police officer actually died of?
@Medic135, I've heard he was beaten with a fire extinguisher and a pole with a flag, believe there are some photos of that too.
@MrLogg, have you seen video of the buffalo guy (because conservatives dress like that lol) in the senate chamber? He's practically escorted by capitol police
@Medic135, he survived that, managed to get back to the station where he had a stroke which resulted in the death.
@Medic135, the whole thing is just so bizarre.
@Medic135, they were part of it. The ven diagram of cops and far right folks is nearly a circle. And the national guard is led by Trump, who of course wouldn't bring them in.
@Hallucinated corpse, the media would have sucked their d!cks to watch them shoot trump supporters. Probably would have said that the trump supporters were heavily armed with fully semi automatic ak-15s with high capacity 90 clip magazines. And that the brave secret service went "no Russia" on them to protect all the honest, hard working individuals inside.
@Medic135, most of the Capitol police did their job well. There are videos of some of them opening barricades to the mob and taking selfie with them but for the most part the police were fighting the mob. Many of them said they thought they'd die. One guy heard the mob say shoot him with his own gun. The request for reinforcements were denied by the pentagon, meaning most likely denied by the Trump administration. But there's also probably more to it. There had been warnings from the fbi but when a pro Trump rally shows up to protest I don't think the Trump administration would've been concerned about supposed threats that turned out to be real. Ergo lack of preparedness. And I will add that it has become a bipartisan issue and concern for the failure of law enforcement and how complicit they were as well as how many right wing politicians and activists were involved. By right wing I mean the people who are still in denial about the incoming administration.
@Medic135, I mean tbf this is the first time in my lifetime that the right actually got off their asses and did something. Usually it's the left pulling shenanigans like this. Either way, no one expected this to happen at all.
@Captain Swordsman, I've made many a comment on this subject already and i hope you find and read them, your input tends to be pretty thought out
@Medic135, right now there's just too much conflicting information surrounding the events to really see anything for certain. I have seen reports that at least one or two people leading the charge and leading people around where identified with left-wing groups, but I don't have all the facts myself. I think this is going to go down as one of those events where everyone believes their own version of it, no one has all the answers, and we'll just have to wait and see what history says about it.
@Captain Swordsman, history is written by the victor, and in the digital age the victor appears to always be the media
@Medic135, well then, we'll just have to do something about the media. And I know it's not impossible because mainstream news media would have died out if Trump hadn't won the presidency. That was sort of one of the necessary evils to get the populist bull in the china shop President we wanted for so long (we meaning people of my political persuasion, not necessarily you and I). And with alternative media being constantly shut down left and right they're learning and adapting on how to get it right in the future and win the information war. It's similar to how a large number of pastebin files from 4chan were purged from the site, and while the technology and weapons boards lost so much, it was the My Little pony fans who had already learned through their hardships how to deal with such things and had already backed up all of their stories and other files losing very little in the process. it's actually quite a fascinating read that I found out from a screen cap collection on imgur.
@aminalFacks, you guys misunderstand. The news titles would read "Trump orders police to fire at peaceful protesters outside capitol".
P.S: I'm not a Trump supporter.
@Medic135, heard that. It’s almost like there’s an agenda to make trump look bad by using all government and antifa
@aminalFacks, *fully semi automatic * ak-15
@owanobi, I was with you on the first half of your comment. They were denied reinforcements several times. Who denied the reinforcements and made it more difficult? Trump and Trump loyalist appointments. To say that those people were manipulated by the unseen hand and some political elites in order to ban a bunch of conservatives and Parlor is some double think and that is your conspiratorial side coming out.
@Medic135, Trump and his cult followers and Parlor being banned or removed is entirely the result of their own actions. Making it out to be some unseen hand shjt entirely wipes away that there could possibly be any wrongdoing on their part and removes any thought of accountability for them from your mind. What happened to law and order or actions and consequences?
There is a growing fascist attitude in America. It just attempted to entirely overthrow the vote that we all just took. I'm not saying our voting system couldn't be better but not a single authority other than ½ the GOP and Trump can find any result other than Biden's victory, yet Trump and ½ of the GOP fostered an idea that the vote was still somehow stolen completely and millions believe it with 0 real evidence. If there was real evidence, they would have used it in court.
@mas2de, there it is, took a while
@mas2de, How did Trump deny reinforcements? He was doing his speech when people started storming the capital and in his speech he told people to go PEACEFULLY down to the capital and cheer on congress. Sure his 'loyalist' denied reinforcements in some capacity but that is the only thing I would say is weird about the situation. My main point is that media companies were already suppressing Conservative and moderate voices and they just needed an excuse to get rid of them. Conspiracies are usually wrong, Achem's Razor and all that.
@mas2de, like I get your point about actions have consequences but how can you say that all Trump supporters are responsible for what happened at the capital? A few people who believed in Qanon conspiracies and a few BLM activists got into the capital. A lot were let in by the police, a few broke in. Most if not all actual Trump supporters like me want peace. There is a growing fascist attitude in America, it is coming from the left. Only the left support massive lockdowns and support the forced closing of millions of businesses. Only the left wants to put all of their enemies on a list so they can ruin their lives. Only the left is creating concentration camps to hold sick people indefinitely (New York). So no, Trump supporters believing the election was at the very least sketchy as fvck is not making America more fascistic. You forget most Trump supporters are freedom loving Americans. I'm tired of people like you blaming all Trump supporters for what happened.
@owanobi, I did not blame all of Trump's supporters, just the ones that are in his cult. The ones that feel so strongly that they would organize a march on the Capitol, plan to break into it and plan to murder politicians because the loser of an election said it was rigged. Not every Trump supporter would do that at all. His cult followers would and did. But not even all of them that broke into the Capitol wanted to actually harm anyone. But the number that were there to harm certain people was not 0 at all. Part of the crowd was changing "Hang Mike Pence" while there was a gallows erected outside. That was absolutely planned.
Trump incited the riot and knew his supporters would be violent (to what degree of violence is a wide range of debatable) He told them to go there and to cheer on some and pointed out there were those they didn't like there. That's about as solid as a mob boss can get and why we have RICO laws.
The DC Nat'l Guard is under POTUS's command. The Nat'l Guard ...
@mas2de, support was denied 6 times before the expected protest. That does not fall squarely on Trump's shoulders though as he only controls the DC. National Guard. The denials were from the DC Mayors office and the House and Senate Sarg. At Arms and from the Pentagon. It took 6 hours before Mike Pence could get the Nat'l Guard in to save his own hide. 6 hours while Trump stood by and watched on TV. You know he was watching it on TV while it happened. (I'm not talking about the video of the Trumps watching the Capitol before the rally.)
I'm glad that there are Trump supporters who want peace. You're probably one of the first I know of. If you're not in the minority there, the crazies sure have you beat by voice. I guess that's always the case though. Nuts how so many prominent Trump Republicans can call for violence and subverting the vote, then riot and then turn around and say they're calling for peace. Like a bully punching you then telling you to turn the other cheek and gets ...
@mas2de, ready to punch you again.
Fascism is knocking on America's door. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sound applicable anywhere currently? There is absolutely not a fascist attitude coming from the American left. Are there angry and crazy people on the left who want bad faith actors to be shut down? Yes. Do they become rioters quite often and lash out at innocent people and businesses? Yes. Is that wrong? Yes. Is that fascism? No. Is Qanon fascist? No. They are nut-jobs who now have a politician in power and have had a sympathetic President.
The lockdowns are for a freaking pandemic and rarely even for the rioting for fear that those in power placing the lockdowns would face backlash for locking down on protesting. Want to see another "concentration camp"? Look at Trump's pumped up immigrant holding cells. Those also have a longer time being camps than the NY ones.
If you think it's just left wingers putting people on lists...
@mas2de, then you are woefully misinformed or willfully ignorant. Right wingers put people on lists and then go terrorize them and their families. Or who they think is a BLM or Antifa protestor, whether they are or not, they'll still yell sexual profanities at a mother holding her infant in her own house.
This last election was Not sketchy AF. The only thing sketchy was that Trump conned millions into thinking it was with no real proof. You can find dozens or maybe even hundreds of cases of voter fraud in this last election. Not even a drop in the bucket. The only thing they didn't like is that some districts voted for Not the guy who was acting like a moron, calling every news piece that he didn't like "fake" (that's a fascist point right there. Undermine the media and make your own narrative). Instead they voted by mail for Biden and in person for Trump, as Trump told them to and the in person vote is counted sooner than the mail-in vote. We had been told for weeks that was how ...
@mas2de, it was going to pan out, and it did. Is it a crazy prediction that the Sun will rise tomorrow? Then why make such a fuss over what we know is going to happen and call it some unfounded conspiracy and call it "stolen".
BTW if you think the side trying to overthrow our collective vote isn't on the authoritarian side, then you should probably look up authoritarian.
This was a long post but the projection from the right wing infuriates me and I want to point it out.
@mas2de, you’re completely right. But you need to look in a mirror before blaming Trump supporters. How many Trump rallies ended with violence vs the number of liberal cities burned to the ground because of their “peaceful protests”. EVEN IF this really were Trump supporters (which has been proven it wasn’t), at least they went to the capital and didn’t fvck up small business men and women. On parlor, there was no hate that I saw on there. No people stealing biden hats from little kids. No bigotry. No blind hatred toward white people.
@mas2de, also whenever 120+% of Michigan voters vote, don’t ever say “we voted for this”. WE the people voted for Trump. And it was stollen from us. D!ckhead.
@mas2de, whenever it hits the fan, don’t call us pu$$y. We’ll let you hang for your treason
@philbert15, you're talking to me as if I'm been to a protest turned riot for either side, or like I've supported rioting from anyone. I have not. I have condemned rioting by BLM and Antifa as even in the best light, it harms their own cause and alienates anyone who might be sympathetic. Burning and looting and harming people is not okay to just let run rampant through the streets or government buildings.
You claim that more people voted in a state than there are voters in that state. A claim from far-right wing social groups and say that you were on Parlor. Wake up and smell the BS kid. If there was any kind of voter fraud like that, it would have been brought to a court, they would have heard about it and the entire country would ve watching that case closely. But that didn't happen. Just because your uncle or your buddy on Facebook or some app said something doesn't make it true.
You realize that you're threatening my life, right? An idle threat but still a threat.
@philbert15, If you and your group were to hang me or someone like me or like Mike Pence for treason, then you would have had to already taken over the US and we would be flying a different flag and everyone who fought for a more perfect union would be traitors in your Boogaloo Confederacy's eyes.
Ponder that for a bit. That you're threatening violence and hanging people on a funny pics app. Just take a breath, look around and try to find the simplest, most plausible reason for all of that. And it's okay to be wrong or to have made wrong choices. No one can be perfect. It's not okay to double down on wrong choices though.
@mas2de, the price of disrespect is death. You have disrespected this country with your bigotry and hatred. Now you must just wait for your time.
@philbert15, You are disrespecting this country and me. I have no bigotry and I give no hatred, that's your brown shirt brothers and sisters boy.
You can find me at 1787 W. Lake Mead Blvd., Las Vegas. Threaten my life to my face there pussy. My brothers and sisters and I will be waiting there for you.
@philbert15, “the price of disrespect is death”. This is how we know that you’re scum. When you think that it is unacceptable for you to be disrespected while having no such compunctions against disrespecting others’s and their views.
You’re a piece of shït, you support pieces of shït, you are without principles, and most of all, you’re wrong.
You’re the bigot.
@mas2de, There is no preparation that will save you now.
@I Are Lebo, I live my life knowing I am not a bigot. The people around me and the people I disagree with confirm such. I make decisions that better all the people I work with daily. There are written reviews that prove this. I don’t support riots, blm, hatred, or voter fraud. Ask yourself who says that there is no evidence of these things? If the answer is the government, then you are just a sheep walking to slaughter with a smile on your face.
@I Are Lebo, my principles are firm and with this country. Please continue to believe that you are on the right side of history and never call me when you are unarmed, unprotected, and unprepared whenever big brother knocks on your door. We will not answer your call to help you. You are at the mercy of whoever feeds you your lies. We are not.
@philbert15, dude, get off of Parler, and Telegram and MeWe and get some metal help. Those are the apps that terrorists prefer to use. Don't be like the terrorists. For the sake of America, your family and friends and for your own sake, stop talking to whoever you have been talking to that fills your head with fear and toxic bs and makes you so angry. Otherwise they're pushing you toward spending 25 to life behind bars or a quick trip to the dirt. Talk to someone and get some help.
Give a call 612-888-3948 Just chat. Say what's up and what's on your mind.
@philbert15, where is the evidence? The onus for evidence lies with the positive claim. Where were the votes stolen from? Where was the conspiracy?
Because all I’m hearing is the same level of insanity, paranoia, and ideological delusion as when the media wouldn’t stfu about Trump conspiring with Russia to steal the 2016 election.
Where is the proof?
When I first heard it only took them 20 minutes to get in I was honestly impressed. But now after more info keeps coming out, I'm starting to think something Alex Jonesy is going on
@JewishXenu, there are videos... capital police just opened the door and told them “welcome, welcome” it was all a trap!!!
@JewishXenu, it's funny to know that Jones told them to not go in. What's more Jones then Jones? I don't know just a Question.
@seeUpee, there was a video where they literally stood aside and let them smash the doors and windows
@slapmysalami, There was also a video of a cop literally taking selfies with the Insurrectionist. Wonder if ideology or race played a factor in law enforcements inaction ._.
@HappyBandit7, There are pictures of cops holding BLM signs during events that turned into riots too. Doesn't mean anything.
@seeUpee, you people cant help but see everything negative that happens to you as some grand conspiracy can you?
@JewishXenu, Alex Jones is on camera telling people not to go in cause “that’s what they want us to do” right there is sketchy af
Friendly reminder that the chief of police requested national guard presence in advance and was denied 6 times by the house and senate.
Its sketchy. If it was any other group theye be gunned down. Group as in terrorist actual terrorists. And other countries . What happened to the USA being so secure. Theres more security at Walmart for fuxks sake.
I think it was tough for the cops, they were in an enclosed space with their backs to a wall. Compared to the many protests that have taken place outside. I think most of the cops did the best they could, police management could have done a better leadership job IMO