What if we keep the confederate monuments but like not in a celebratory way? We could put them in museums like we do with holocaust and 9/11 stuff so it's like not forgotten but also not displayed in a way like we're proud of it. I think erasing the monuments totally makes it seem like people are trying to deny that ugly part of our history ever happened
@Luna 5, We probly COULD do that but I think it might make too much sense.
@Luna 5, Completely agree, never forget the history, it is what makes us who we are. But you can remember and not condone.
"The Confederate States of America was a part of all our heritage, but they were on the wrong side"
Something like that
@Luna 5, The thing is, Robert E Lee (I think that's his name?) actually said NOT to make statues of confederate generals, so....
@Luna 5, Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
@Luna 5, that's literally what's happening to the majority of them. It's just misinformation circulating like usual about certain places and statues and the events surrounding them. Some have gotten destroyed by protesters, but it's still illegal and a crime.
@Luna 5, But statues aren’t how we record history books are, statues are specifically to celebrate someone or something.
They can't prove slaves built the pyramids. It's been an argument for a long time whether it was slaves or paid workers.
@CheshireKatSmile, and here I thought it was aliens
@a shiny haunter, alien slaves
@CheshireKatSmile, but muh bible, bible says it's true so it must be
@a shiny haunter, Daniel Jackson agrees.
@CheshireKatSmile, how WOULD that be proven? Are there pay stubs laying around in caves for all the paid workers of the day? Tax returns? Think about it. Hieroglyphics? Oh wait...
@Pubmarine Shamwich, the Egyptians had written language. And they didn't live in caves there's well studied artifacts and settlements that can give a pretty clear picture of what life was like there. There really is a pretty sound theory that they weren't built by slaves, and that being involved in the building of the pharaoh's tomb was honorable.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, if hieroglyphics specifically stated they used slaves there wouldn't be an argument, would there? Think about it. Take your time.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, https://www.seeker.com/slaves-didnt-build-pyramids-egypt-1764995593.html
@CheshireKatSmile, what if the workers were paid in slaves? What then?
@CheshireKatSmile, There is evidence that at least some were built by paid workers, I believe.
@YUNoJump, ya, we can't prove anything in there either.
Lesson from history, black people started slavery. Africans had slaves. And sold said slaves to Europeans. So in keeping with the theme here, let's remove ALL things that reference or praise traditional Africa/African values!
DOWN WITH KWANZAA
@Timmy Tokori, historical truth whether you care for it or not
@Medic135, tear down Africa. Rome. England. Basically ALL cultures except for the USA since we were the first to abolish slavery. But that ain't none of my business...*sipping tea*
@Pubmarine Shamwich, *pours you more tea because damm you deserve it*
@Pubmarine Shamwich, *throws your tea into a harbor because ain't no Brits allowed* Wait...
@Medic135, woah there, you sound like you could use some Kwanzaa knowledge so let me help you out... There’s seven basic principles that go to make up Kwanzaa
So sit your asses down and have some knowledge dropped upons ya
Kujichagulia and Umoja and the rest
Now we get it
Sit back down
There’s gonna be a test
My favorite’s Ujamaa
Yo, Boondocks, I’m talkin’ here
Put away the comics
Ku’umba is another one
It stands for creativity
Like the ever-changing nature
Of my sexual proclivity
I think there’s one called Nia
But I don’t speak Swahili
Something about a pine tree
And and oil-wrestling dealie?
That’s from Xmas and Robanukah
You plagiarizing lout!
Yeah I’m kinda losing interest here
I best be rollin’ out
But before I go
The most important thing
What’s that black Santa?
You need seven Kwanzaa candles that you light up every night
But they best be made of beeswax or y’all might as well be white
@Pubmarine Shamwich, first to abolish slavery? You ever picked up a history book?
@Mumen Rider , so who was it?
@Medic135, but its not as simple as that, the statues are to specific individuals with beliefs that are now outdated, not an entire race. Besides, if you were a black taxpayer, how would you like monuments paying tribute to the south outside your local public buildings?
@Aegislash, since the south is just as guilty of slavery as every other culture pre 1865, I wouldn't care
@Medic135, you seem a little detached considering the fact that discrimination is still a widespread problem in our society. There are even people alive today who fought in the civil rights movement. If statues for BLM or the black panthers had been erected, im sure you would be against these, especially since again, your taxes would fund this. So why is it acceptable to have statues on public property that are dedicated to those who fought against America as a united nation and against the rights of many of those within it?
@Pubmarine Shamwich, except the british abolished it 30 years before you. And had an abolitionist movement 80 years earlier. Stopped the trade in 1810's as well. So no you weren't the first to abolish slavery. I believe you've been misinformed.
@Medic135, same in Canada our First Nations people killed each other, and took other people as slaves (among other things) but nope only the Europeans were bad. People are awful regardless of race, its history for everyone unfortunately
@madeyoulook2, not in today's world, it's only history that college students/bums don't like or think they don't like
@Medic135, hey Im a college grad working towards my masters. I prefer to stay educated on the awful things that occurred to ALL people, while acknowledging the reasonable changes we still need to make but still managing not to be a bleeding heart/SJW. There is a middle ground
@Mumen Rider , I'm face-palming so hard watching that comment accumulate likes...
@madeyoulook2, It wasn't all the Europeans that were bad. New France collaborated with the first nations, they planned to start trade between each other. The English, as usual, took the war route and assimilated the whole of the First Nation population. Basically, in Civilizations terms, England took the war route, the French took the collaborative trade route, and the British won because the 7 years war was a shjtshow.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, Canada abolished slavery before the United States
@Medic135, false equivalency. That's what you call it when you try to compare American slavery to the servant system that was foolishly translated as slaves when Europeans were enslaving west Africans. African servants owned property, served for limited time, married into families they served, and more.
You know what they didn't do? They didn't rape their slaves. Make it illegal for their slaves to learn, read, communicate in their own language, mame and disfigure them, murder their infants, rape them, create a system designed to weaken their bonds together and sow distrust and hatred amongst them so that they could keep them subjugated forever.
African's never claimed their servants were subhuman. Didn't spend hundreds of years creating local and federal level systems designed to keep them from ever gaining power and becoming equals to any other citizen in their land.
@Medic135, There was certainly harsh slavery as well like in Egypt. But it is in no way even close to the atrocities of the trans atlantic slave trade and American slavery.
In fact historians will question the evidence that slaves built those pyramids. It's just one of those things we all believe for some reason without proof. Like Hitler being the most evil, murderous, and genocidal person in history
@Pubmarine Shamwich, cause England totally didn't abolish the slave trade
@Blue Shirted Guy, I'm actually surprised this many people are misinformed on the issue. It's a little worrisome.
@BiteMyShinyMetalA55, literally everyone abolished slavery in their country before the USA we were the last holdouts. This is like, 3rd grade social studies.
@Mumen Rider , this is actually true for the most part, our economy was very deep in the use of slavery which is what cause our civil war
@Medic135, eh, Lincoln just kind of shoehorned in the "free all slaves" thing there at the end to get some extra soldiers, it wasn't really his whole campaign. The civil war was mainly over taxes, land rights and two sides of the country who were adjusting differently to the onset of city life and industrialisation. The north was interfering and taxing, the South was going all live free or die and people got real emotional over it.
@Mumen Rider , the whole live free part was only partial right lol
@Medic135, it's all a lot more complex but people will never stop boiling it down to the north valiantly fighting and bleeding right in front of lynched black children while the South jerked off all over their corpses and laughed like a degenerate heehaw while they whipped black Uncle Sam or some shjt. I don't bother explaining it much because no one really listens, they just want to block highways and start nazi rallies
@Mumen Rider , the worst part is the news media and city officials are actually listening both lunatics
@Mumen Rider , oh my furking gawd! Someone who actually knows that the civil war had nothing to do with slavery! Flee sir! Flee before they find you and erase you! But seriously, why do people think it was about slavery when the Emancipation Proclomation didn't come until nearly the end of the war?
@xAegis Heartx, "nothing" is also false. Trying to bring the civil war into a single issue is retarded (and there are a lot of fûcking tards that believe it was solely about slavery), but it definitely was a factor.
@Medic135, black people only exist in the USA. And that's everybody's biz
@Medic135, There had been many slave systems throughout different ages and civilizations. The Europeans/Dutch are infamous for being the first to do it on global level and creating CHATTEL Slavery. This is the form of slavery we all know where a black man was equivalent to furniture in a house. Even without that information present, nobody forced Europeans to buy slaves and your argument is equivalent to me blaming McDonalds for making me obese and lose a foot due to diabetes. Everyone would look at me like I'm crazy if THAT was my excuse for my own decisions.
@razyem, actually the slave trade still continued, except illegally. This is where that age old fact about how on some ships the captain would push one slave off that was chained linked to the rest off and everybody would fall in and drown. They did that when they saw British version of cops on the seas ( I can't remember the name) was about to catch them.
@I just came, well of course. The slave trade exists in most places illegally to this day. There are slaves in the US still today but people don't realize it. Human trafficking is still a problem.
Almost all "old world" monuments were constructed using forced labor
Just because this is always seen in movies doesn't make it the only example
@Soulless at birth, and the majority of these statues that are being torn down were built after slavery was abolished during the jim crow era and civil rights era. so there is no correlation between statues about slavery and those built by slaves
@dont hate masturbate, They are being moved to a museum I thought, not torn down.
Turns out theyre not actually slaves but laborers.
Nah, I hear Egyptians are dealing with real problems
But they weren't even built by slaves! Evidence shows that they were actually treated very nicely.
This actually feels like a valid point of discussion. They were built by slaves for slave owners but do they represent something else?
@RedeyeTarget, I think evidence has been found that suggests that slaves did not build the pyramids. Not sure how true the find is (although one article I read was Harvard Magazine), but some archaeological finds indicate that fhe builders of the pyramids were paid pretty well. Again, not sure how true it is (or if we will ever know), but may be worth researching.
tumblr strikes again
Anthropologist Here: Fun fact, according to geological records and further analysis, the notion that the pyramids were built in 4000 BC is utterly incorrect, and were actually built closer to 20,000-25,000 years ago, during what appeared to be a Global civilization before the great flood at the end of the Ice Age around 13,000 years ago. The more you know!
OMG, here we go...
I posted this to my Facebook page after the whole ordeal with the Confederate flag. I'm not for slavery but it is as much a part of history as these slave made monuments
The pyramids weren't actually built by the slaves
*Plays Lashed to the Slave Stick by Nile*
Never understood this logic. Why tear down history?
That just sounds like slavery with more steps
Eek Barba Durkal someone is gonna get laid in college